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Microsoft Says 'Disappointment' of New MacBook Pro Has More People Switching to Surface Than Ever Before

WinMacLinux said:
The VAT is not a corporate tax. That is the tax that the consumer pays. It is built up by businesses. Each business pays VAT on all materials, and subtracts the added quantity (or adds it). In the end the VAT is distributed over all manufactures involved in the processes, and collected by the last point of sale.
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In my country it's every company's responsibility to pay the sales tax. I guess no matter where in the line you are. There are some fields that don't have sales tax but most do. I sell services and I'm obliged to pay sales tax, but I also get to deduct sales tax on everything I buy for my business, provided that I have any outgoing sales tax. In a way I guess the end consumer then has to pay for it.

We have 25% sales tax on electronics so there's a huge difference buying expensive Apple laptops. I suppose this isn't to Apples advantage in the consumer market. But I see that the surface book isn't really a very cheap laptop either... is it really better specs for the same money?
 
niploteksi said:
In my country it's every company's responsibility to pay the sales tax. I guess no matter where in the line you are. There are some fields that don't have sales tax but most do. I sell services and I'm obliged to pay sales tax, but I also get to deduct sales tax on everything I buy for my business, provided that I have any outgoing sales tax. In a way I guess the end consumer then has to pay for it.

We have 25% sales tax on electronics so there's a huge difference buying expensive Apple laptops. I suppose this isn't to Apples advantage in the consumer market. But I see that the surface book isn't really a very cheap laptop either... is it really better specs for the same money?
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In some states, manufacturing equipment may be exempted from sales tax. Computers are part of the manufacturing of things like video and images and may be exempt.

Surface book is higher priced at the same specs (most reviews you read compare the 15 inch Macbook Pro with the surface book but it is only a 13 inch laptop.) It is also MUCH slow on the read and write speeds to the drives - a huge impact on overall performance.
 
NufSaid said:
In some states, manufacturing equipment may be exempted from sales tax. Computers are part of the manufacturing of things like video and images and may be exempt.

Surface book is higher priced at the same specs (most reviews you read compare the 15 inch Macbook Pro with the surface book but it is only a 13 inch laptop.) It is also MUCH slow on the read and write speeds to the drives - a huge impact on overall performance.
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It also has a dedicated GPU, making it drastically faster at anything involving image and video editing. That's the reason why it's often compared to the 15" MBP. Also, the screen is 13.5" - which makes much more of a difference in real-life performance than people might think. No matter how you and some others here try to twist and turn the facts: the Surface Book generally costs less than the MBPs and offers way more.
 
As an owner of a PowerBook 17" Late 2011. I had my order placed for a fully spec'd new MBP. I decided to cancel because of the lack of innovation cost and especially Apples big middle finger to all the pro-users out there. After going through the realization of all new USB-C and power adapter connectivity, lack of RAM and compared to other proline non-macs. I am seriously considering moving over to the Darkside of the force. I've owned macs ever since the mac classic, stuck through 6500-8500 era and lived the drop of the 17" screen, aperture, final cut pro 7 and all the other FU's apple has given some of their most loyal consumers. To say I am disappointed is a heavy understatement. Now after trying the new MBP at an apple store, it confirmed my decision of canceling my order. Apple has lost part of it's vision and so caught up in trying to make everything fit into the cloud iOS schtick that they are losing their way and loyal users. Lucky for them they can just meander for the time being because they are such a huge company. Going to give my 17" MacBook Pro another year, at least it is still working like a beast (aside from the GPU debacle). However, it may be working alongside a surface pro in the future. Do I want to have to switch, no, but I may have to blend.
 
jangelo said:
As an owner of a PowerBook 17" Late 2011. I had my order placed for a fully spec'd new MBP. I decided to cancel because of the lack of innovation cost and especially Apples big middle finger to all the pro-users out there. After going through the realization of all new USB-C and power adapter connectivity, lack of RAM and compared to other proline non-macs. I am seriously considering moving over to the Darkside of the force. I've owned macs ever since the mac classic, stuck through 6500-8500 era and lived the drop of the 17" screen, aperture, final cut pro 7 and all the other FU's apple has given some of their most loyal consumers. To say I am disappointed is a heavy understatement. Now after trying the new MBP at an apple store, it confirmed my decision of canceling my order. Apple has lost part of it's vision and so caught up in trying to make everything fit into the cloud iOS schtick that they are losing their way and loyal users. Lucky for them they can just meander for the time being because they are such a huge company. Going to give my 17" MacBook Pro another year, at least it is still working like a beast (aside from the GPU debacle). However, it may be working alongside a surface pro in the future. Do I want to have to switch, no, but I may have to blend.
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After Bloomberg's article on the state of disrepair the macOS development process is in, it's pretty clear that Cook has decided that Apple is not only quitting the pro market but also the computer market in general. macOS seems to be on maintance-only mode already. How this can be beats me - iPads don't sell, the smartphone market is stagnating, wearables don't sell. Are there any petitions going that demand for Cook's stepping down?
 
Guys I tried the surface book twice on separate days. The touchpad is noticeably worse than the MacBook even to the casual user. And here I was splitting hairs over palm rejection on the new mbp.

For some reason the smoothness of windows 10 like the scrolling and the touchpad, you know, the basics, still aren't there yet. Apple has an even bigger lead than I thought. I wholeheartedly believe that everyone no matter how tech savvy can appreciate the smooth touchpad and basic core features that work better in OS X over time. Until windows fixes these issues, and I don't presume it will be easy and I respect the engineers, I see macs being objectively better machines for at least another decade. Even if Apple did nothing else but slap in the latest processors.
Why? I don't think Apple has better engineers than Microsoft. I just think that they as a company are willing to assign 100 people to work on something as seemingly trivial as the scrolling frames per second in every test case. And 1000 people who are paid 100,000+ per year to work on nothing but a touchpad and palm rejection etc. in most companies that would be ludicrous but not at Apple. And it shows and it has paid off for them. And it will continue to pay off for them.

A Microsoft employee demo'd the surface book to me and the first one crashes. Second one did too. Third one worked. I couldn't help but feel that nothing has changed on the windows side. Dell xps 13 also had an immediately Inferior touchpad too.

Hate apples prices but I now have been reminded that they are objectively better. Objectively increase productivity. I don't think this is in dispute.
 
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Guys I tried the surface book twice on separate days. The touchpad is noticeably worse than the MacBook even to the casual user. And here I was splitting hairs over palm rejection on the new mbp.

For some reason the smoothness of windows 10 like the scrolling and the touchpad, you know, the basics, still aren't there yet. Apple has an even bigger lead than I thought. I wholeheartedly believe that everyone no matter how tech savvy can appreciate the smooth touchpad and basic core features that work better in OS X over time. Until windows fixes these issues, and I don't presume it will be easy and I respect the engineers, I see macs being objectively better machines for at least another decade. Even if Apple did nothing else but slap in the latest processors.
Why? I don't think Apple has better engineers than Microsoft. I just think that they as a company are willing to assign 100 people to work on something as seemingly trivial as the scrolling frames per second in every test case. And 1000 people who are paid 100,000+ per year to work on nothing but a touchpad and palm rejection etc. in most companies that would be ludicrous but not at Apple. And it shows and it has paid off for them. And it will continue to pay off for them.

A Microsoft employee demo'd the surface book to me and the first one crashes. Second one did too. Third one worked. I couldn't help but feel that nothing has changed on the windows side. Dell xps 13 also had an immediately Inferior touchpad too.

Hate apples prices but I now have been reminded that they are objectively better. Objectively increase productivity. I don't think this is in dispute.
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I've had mine for almost a year, it stopped crashing after about the third major update in May. The touchpad is at least as good as the one on the MBP. It doesn't react exactly the same way and does need a few days to get used to. Windows 10 runs buttery smooth but will, much like on the Mac or on iOS, depend on the app. All Microsoft apps run exceptionally well, so do those made by Adobe and other major companies.

I used two like the touchpad and the keyboard on the older Macbook models - the new ones: not so much. The touchpad is all over the place. It reacts ok until it doesn't. Sometimes it takes me four or five attempts to simply drag something into the trash. Then palm rejection mostly works until all of a sudden the cursor just randomly jumps somewhere, marks half a line of text, then deletes it etc. Much like the touchpad on other Windows laptops is behaving. The thing is: with every iteratio and with every firmware update, the Surface Book has been getting better. Apple's hardware seems to be getting worse and worse lately. While I love my TB MBP for its beautiful screen, the great portability etc, it has a touchpad that I don't like to use and the keyboard is god awful. Add absolutely miserable battery life (I get about 10 hours out of the Surface Book while on the MBP it's all over the place - one day I get 7-8 hours out of it, next day it dies after 4 with the exact same apps running), the fact that I need a dongle to connect pretty much every single thing to it, including my iPhone, the new MBPs are a massive step backwards and Microsoft has finally done it: it's now producing better hardware than Apple. Partly because MS has been improving its offerings but also partly because Apple lately has been making theirs worse.

Please don't go to a shop and play with any hardware twice and then come here and bash it. Display units are often semi-broken.
 
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