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Microsoft Says New Surface Pro is 1.7× Faster Than iPad Pro With 35% More Battery Life

Eadfrith said:
Wait.... a brand new Kaby Lake i7 chip is ONLY 1.7 times faster than Apples mobile chip?
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Different i7 than the desktop i7's.

the i7 CPU's used in Ultraportables like the SurfacePro's or MacBooks are Ultra Low voltage CPU's that are dual-core with 4 threads (2c/4t), with a strict thermal limit.

That brings both CPU to roughly the same overal thermal limits, (the i7 having slightly higher thermal limits due to the Surface having an Active cooling setup)

But this is NOT the same i7 that's in the Macbook Pro's (which is a 35w quad core/8thread CPU) or a desktop version (a 95+ watt CPU)
 
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theLedger said:
For some reason, I don't think that people really cross shop the iPad Pro with the Surface Pro - they really serve two different markets. Surface Pro is more like a laptop that can sometimes act as a tablet while the iPad Pro is a tablet that can sometimes act like a laptop. According to CNet, they say that Microsoft wants you to think of the Surface Pro as a laptop with a touchscreen instead of a tablet.

I think that's part of the reason why the Surface Pro has struggled with sales - they are matching it up with a comparison that people aren't making so they are missing the mark. It's confusing the marketplace.
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Correct. Microsoft actually deliberately calls it a laptop in their marketing. The word tablet is not anywhere. But they compare it to an iPad. What they should be doing is comparing it to both the rMB or MBA or 13" MBP simultaneously with an iPad. This is what the market would relate to. Much cheaper than having a laptop & tablet combo, but just as capable. Not that I agree, but that's the angle they should be taking...
 
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apolloa said:
The i5 model has no fan!!!!!! So just like an iPad but with a full blown computer OS and no fan and an Intel Core i5! Impressive, most impressive.
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I wouldn't call Windows 10 a "full blown computer OS" when it was designed from the ground up to be a hybrid computer/tablet OS.
 
Loompy said:
Welp, unless Apple really blows my socks off with the iPad Pro 2 unveiling, im getting a Surface Pro. As much as i like the iPad Pro, I need more than just a giant iPhone.

If it ran MacOS then it would be a whole different story
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They sell laptops too. Seems like that would fit what you are looking for if you are considering a Surface and prefer macOS.
 
apolloa said:
Well, it can run X86 programmes, like full blown Photoshop suite. It's a full blown OS. Not a mobile OS.
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I would define a "mobile OS" as an "OS designed for mobile devices" which, Windows 10 fits. X86 or ARM is hardly a limitation when there are several ways to make a program work on both architectures. Also consider the fact that either architecture is available as either a laptop or a tablet.

The real caveat is that Apple has dropped the ball with the iPad Pro in several ways, but those ways can be fixed with minor tinkering. Windows 10 is a mess to use, and I'm speaking firsthand here, in either format as a desktop OS or Mobile OS because of said inherent problems with a "combined" OS.
 
They forgot to say that their products include, at no extra charges, more virus attacks, more malware and more vulnerabilities than Apple's products.
 
HappyMBAowner said:
They forgot to say that their products include, at no extra charges, more virus attacks, more malware and more vulnerabilities than Apple's products.
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By that logic, they also forgot to say their products support, by far, the largest software ecosystem with countless features and capabilities that don't exist on Apple's operating systems.

It's always been a 2 way street with Windows, but let's not play make believe and pretend that Windows 10 is a virus ridden operating system with threats lurking around every corner.
 
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Paul Dawkins said:
It can and it does since most people browse, watch video, listen to music, post some nonsense on "social" media and so on. As far as i know iPad does those things with style and even more.
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Chromebook, iPAD, Surface (2 in 1), are in different device categories, and kind of over lap in functionality, just choose what is the best for your use case. Each of them have their own advantages & disadvantages. And all 3 of them try to snatch customers from other groups.
At the end we customers win with increase in competition.
 
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Chupa Chupa said:
That marketing should be good until WWDC in a couple weeks. Then what?
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Then you will get "more of the same" from Apple, will still have a crippled iOS mobile platform and the Surface Pro will still have a full blown operating system that will take advantage of a more powerful processor than anything ARM (and Apple) have to offer. That's what.
 
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JMacHack said:
I wouldn't call Windows 10 a "full blown computer OS" when it was designed from the ground up to be a hybrid computer/tablet OS.
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I think the comparison is that unlike iOS or Android/chrome tablet/computers that can only run applications specifically designed to run within their framework app deployment models, with limited APIs and functionality defined by the OS, the Surface Pro runs full desktop version of Windows with scalable UI for the device it's on

that means that any single program that is designed to run on windows, regardless of source, will run on the surface pro. This means you can install your favourite windows based AutoCAD, or perhaps Adobe photoshop and lightroom. How about Virtual Machines, or Software development studios?

basically, the idea behind the surface pro and windows 10 is that the software OS is identical to that you run on your desktop at home. Same that you run at work. Same you've ran for years. you don't have to buy special software from only one source (App store / Play Store). it's as open and "free" as you want to make it.

Heck, you COULD even just install full linux on it. Heck, I've even got my Surface Pro 2 running OSx once (and never again)

while I think the term "Desktop OS" is probably not the best to describe it anymore, since in this day of age, "Desktop" has changed and more and more people are on laptops / tablets. The implication by calling it a "Desktop OS" is that it's capable of running the identical software that any desktop can.
 
DNichter said:
Or any of the other many things that have been brought to your attention already in this thread. You are either not all there or very ill-informed if you think your mindset when it comes to the use of a computer is the end all, be all. Many people use computing devices for many different things. Many of those things can easily be handled on an iPad, many cannot. That doesn't make it any less of a device.
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All what I was trying to say iPad Pro is still a tablet, it's limited compared to a laptop so comparing the two devices are will not work.
I didn't limit the usage of computers I was mentioning an example, but thanks for your kind words.
 
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JMacHack said:
I would define a "mobile OS" as an "OS designed for mobile devices" which, Windows 10 fits. X86 or ARM is hardly a limitation when there are several ways to make a program work on both architectures. Also consider the fact that either architecture is available as either a laptop or a tablet.

The real caveat is that Apple has dropped the ball with the iPad Pro in several ways, but those ways can be fixed with minor tinkering. Windows 10 is a mess to use, and I'm speaking firsthand here, in either format as a desktop OS or Mobile OS because of said inherent problems with a "combined" OS.
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Well if you want re-interpret what actually is and is widely recognised as a full blown computer operating system, and what is a mobile operating system then fine. Just don't do it in your discussions because it makes no sense. Windows 10 on the Surface Pro is the same Windows 10 on a desktop computer.
 
jadot said:
Haha - the fact is, a Surface Pro is a better implemented idea than an iPad. More memory, desktop OS, expandable. It's a better workstation for on the go computing.

Personally I'm running Photoshop, Capture One Pro, Office, and so on, on a desktop (iMac)
Have you tried running large photo libraries on an iPad or processing photography on iOS?

Granted, that's one niche, but the fact is, I can do that stuff on a Surface Pro.

iOS is great on a phone where it belongs. On a 12", 9.7", or even a 10.whatever inch tablet with 32GB, or even 128GB it's fairly useless, no mater how cool the hardware is.

For my usage the iPad just turns out to be a posh internet portal. Can't get any work done.
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Hopefully Apple pull something out the bag for iOS 11 in a few weeks time!
 
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profets said:
An Intel Core i7 which requires a fan to keep cool is only 1.7x faster than a 2 year old A9X ARM CPU? Doesn't sound too impressive.
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While running real software instead of gimped apps coded specifically for that walled garden of an architecture? Yeah, it's damned impressive actually. That's the equivalent of my truck loaded up with the kids and camping gear going nearly twice as fast on gravel as your specifically tuned hatchback over a straight flat paved track on racing slicks.
 
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When are Surface's gonna realize its 2017 and come with 8GB RAM and 256 storage MINIMUM??



4 GB of RAM is good for iOS, not Windows
 
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