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Chromebooks can replace a laptop for most people because they are cheap and affordable and actually has the necessary features needed to be a true laptop. A iPad cannot replace a laptop for most people.

It can and it does since most people browse, watch video, listen to music, post some nonsense on "social" media and so on. As far as i know iPad does those things with style and even more.
 
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This is a fantastic hardware piece. Is it better than an IPAD, full windows hands down!

BUT OSX is still far far superior. I think it's the last golden egg Apple has. I think Tim has ignored it, and that's why it has escaped his awful leadership.

I would take a macbook air over the surface any day as I don't need touch features, as oppose to someone in graphic design. I would probably take the surface over the new macbook though, one port just just sound absolutely horrendous!
 
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Chromebooks can replace a laptop for most people because they are cheap and affordable and actually has the necessary features needed to be a true laptop. A iPad cannot replace a laptop for most people.

So a bunch of web apps can replace computer functionality, but an iPad can't? I am not really sure where you are going with this, but most people do pretty basic things on their computers. An iPad is great for these tasks and relatively cheap starting at $329.
 
Intel should be getting the shakes right now if their i7 cpu is only 1.7 times faster than an Apple in-house designed A9 processor optimized for a tablet. Also... wonder how graphics performance compares?
 
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We have a gaggle of the Pro 4s at the office, and I'm "lucky" enough to be assigned to one. 70% of the time it's docked at my desk, so no real difference from a desktop. 20% of the time I use it at meetings for notes/presentations, and it's indistinguishable from a laptop - other than the garbage keyboard, which is sadly worlds better than the crap on the 12" MacBook and the new MBP. The final 10% of the time I try to use it as a tablet. It fails miserably at this task.

The right answer, Tim et al, is a late-2015 MBP and an iPad Mini 4. I'm glad Microsoft is trying, and I'm not irate with it about 3/4 of the time, but the tablet experience on these Surface machines is just bloody awful.

Yeah, every year we get these threads and a bunch of people admonishing Apple for iPad and the "phone OS", praising the Surface as a visionary machine. And yet, I wonder how many actually own one? I've wanted to like the Surface, I bought two of them - mostly for the addition of a stylus on tablet before the Pencil was released. I returned both within 14 days because at their core, they are just laptops, and pretty underpowered ones at that. That's fine for people who want a laptop/ultrabook type device with some tablet/pen functionality; but as a mobile first, tablet oriented device, it is awful. It gets very hot, battery life is all over the place, it throttles and underperforms, Windows is not a good experience with touch/pen, DPI scaling is a mess, and it feels fragile and overwrought compared with an iPad. And the stylus, all I want to know is if they've fixed the inconsistent pressure curve and wavy line problem, because it's plagued the device for generations now. Pencil dominates the n-trig tech in every way.
 
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It can and it does since most people browse, watch video, listen to music, post some nonsense on "social" media and so on. As far as i know iPad does those things with style and even more.

Did you read the cheap and affordable part...guess not. Chromebooks are as low as 99 dollars and you can't enjoy an ipad properly without the internet either so dont call it just an internet device....that's every device these days.
 
I can't believe how much Windows bashing there is in this thread! I prefer OSX, but only slightly. Windows 10 was a really huge step for MS, and it finally made things right. Now that Apple started selling underpowered and overpriced computers I am open to the idea of switching to Windows. As great as OSX is, it's not worth $1,000 extra, especially when it comes with outdated hardware. One has to be a bloody fanatic to stick with OSX for this premium.
 
I'm not sure why they like to compare Surface to iPad - it's really just a Windows laptop, not a tablet. Microsoft is not the only company who makes a touch-screen Windows laptop. This really compares to a MacBook, albeit no MacBooks have touch screens.

Couple of things I noticed though...

It's interesting they chose to compare the performance of a new Intel i7 to a 2 year old Apple A9X. Makes me wonder if the forthcoming A11 will do some serious spanking. It's the MacBooks that use Intel CPUs, but of course MS would not want to compare identical CPUs because they'd perform the same.

The other thing is battery life - Microsoft claims 13 hours, although PC mfgs seem to always exaggerate their battery life claims while Apple is more accurate in its ratings. I would like to see a real world comparison with a MacBook Pro. Apple does need to increase battery capacity however, and get over their obsession with thinness.
 
Now not only you have to buy the keyboard separately, you have to buy the pen separately as well. I see what you did there Microsoft. You are copying Apple's model, y having people spending more money for accessories.
 
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I can't believe how much Windows bashing there is in this thread! I prefer OSX, but only slightly. Windows 10 was a really huge step for MS, and it finally made things right. Now that Apple started selling underpowered and overpriced computers I am open to the idea of switching to Windows. As great as OSX is, it's not worth $1,000 extra, especially when it comes with outdated hardware. One has to be a bloody fanatic to stick with OSX for this premium.

That's what pushed me into Windows this year. I wanted a touch w/pen laptop as the iPad sucks as a mobile photo editing workstation and while the Pencil is great you can't use it with the better desktop tools (Photoshop/Lightroom). Picked up a 2-in-1 with pen input and it rocks. It's a good tablet for when you want that, awesome in Photoshop and a good all around machine. It's 4k screen beats the Retina stuff as well. And it was nearly 1/2 price of a 15" Macbook Pro.

I do like OSX and would prefer to stay there but until Apple gets its head out of its butt... I'd even pay Macbook Pro prices for a 2-in-1 from Apple with Pencil support.
 
Open your mind. Windows 10 is actually rather good. It's Apple that is sadly very dated nowadays.

Look guys, another opinion presented as fact! Guess what: you can have extensive knowledge and experience with Windows 10, with a fully open mind, and think it's utter junk. Similarly you can think it's great.

But telling somebody to 'open their mind' because they disagree with your opinion of Windows is conceited. There's plenty to hate about Windows and perhaps if you took your own advice and opened your mind a little, you'd appreciate why some may greatly dislike it. ;)

Each to their own, of course! I'm pleased it works for you, but it doesn't personally work for me or personally work for other people either. Personally being the keyword.
 
Look guys, another opinion presented as fact! Guess what: you can have extensive knowledge and experience with Windows 10, with a fully open mind, and think it's utter junk. Similarly you can think it's great.

But telling somebody to 'open their mind' because they disagree with your opinion of Windows is arrogant. There's plenty to hate about Windows and perhaps if you took your own advice and opened your mind a little, you'd appreciate why some may greatly dislike it. ;)

Each to their own, of course! I'm pleased it works for you, but it doesn't personally work for me or personally work for other people either. Personally being the keyword.

I dislike windows for the simple fact that since 95 nothing has really changed. It got fancy, it got new features, but the old culprits are still there. And i know my way around windows. I have multiple certifications, but if i have to pick i pick OS X or iOS any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
 
It's not a laptop, it's a tablet with option to use keyboard and OS which is not trying to be what windows currently trying to be. You see word replacement and you automatically assume it has to be the same as a thing it replaces. Apple means it in another way. As you use the device you discover new ways to do things and you realise you don't need all that baggage that comes with windows.

People who are stuck in a hoarder mode don't understand simple things.

Wow, you really need to work for Apple's marketing department.

Have you not seen the iPad Pro being touted as a Laptop Replacement?

https://qz.com/932089/apple-aapl-re...-ipad-pro-new-models-likely-released-in-2017/

Tell me, how many different ways are there to attach a document to an email, edit a pdf, have an actual usable file explorer, run actual Apps that aren't gimped etc?
 
I dislike windows for the simple fact that since 95 nothing has really changed. It got fancy, it got new features, but the old culprits are still there.

I dunno about that. They changed the bluescreen error screen to a sad face and removed lots of the useful startup troubleshooting options. That's progress.

So now you know your computer is sad but you don't know why :(
 
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