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I've got a couple of hundred PCs between 6 and 12 years old still running our business, that I need to replace this year, because they won't run Windows 11... But 12 years is a good run in anyones book.

We also have a couple of PCs left over from the late 90s and early 2000s for special tasks (E.g. metal sign printer that runs under MS-DOS and needs a parallel port and won't work on newer hardware or in a virtual machine). We bought a 30 year old back-up printer for around 6K a couple of years back, so you can guess how much those things are new, if it is still worth buying a 30 year old model for 6K...


Your printer situation was similar to ours. We had a 90's HP plotter printer and had to keep an (airgapped of course) WinXP SP3 machine around for it just because of the parallel port. Eventually we just threw it away and got a newer HP plotter that was USB, connected to our network. And now, we dont use paper at all.
 
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How well does a 2012 windows machine run? Or even a 2018? In any case, I'll never use windows other than a VM machine to do platform testing.
I have a 2010 MBP 13". It actually runs Windows 10 pretty well since I maxed the memory and upgraded to an SSD.

Hardware H.264 acceleration in Firefox only works in Windows for some reason. On Mac, the CPU usage is high when playing 1080p/30 and impossible to play 1080p/60. (1080p/60 only works when playing a downloaded file in QuickTime Player)
 
The answer to every windows question I have ever asked.

Q: how do you do 'this' in windows?
A: you can't, but you can load a 3rd party app to do it.

What does MS and windows actually bring to the table? A new version has no new features, they just move all the buttons around.
 
I have a 2010 MBP 13". It actually runs Windows 10 pretty well since I maxed the memory and upgraded to an SSD.

Hardware H.264 acceleration in Firefox only works in Windows for some reason. On Mac, the CPU usage is high when playing 1080p/30 and impossible to play 1080p/60. (1080p/60 only works when playing a downloaded file in QuickTime Player)
I'm in a similar situation. 2012 MBP, Windows 10 actually runs better than macOS Catalina; newer macOS versions runs even slower.
 
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I'm glad the ARM space is taking off which apple pioneered. Until the Mac is able to have a touchscreen and 5G, a mac is a no go for me, despite being an Apple fan. iPad pro 11 used for mostly media consumption given the more basic OS but nice hardware, but a surface pro 11 does more than a mac for me including always on 5G to work on the go and ability to sign documents and use apps with a full desktop OS available.
Apple pioneered ARM?
 
The answer to every windows question I have ever asked.

Q: how do you do 'this' in windows?
A: you can't, but you can load a 3rd party app to do it.

What does MS and windows actually bring to the table? A new version has no new features, they just move all the buttons around.
If you look carefully, Windows and macOS feature-wise are (almost) the same, each one is better in different areas, each one with different quirks and odds.

Some examples:
Scrolling using third party mice in macOS is crap and no distinction when you use a mouse or trackpad: you need a plugin for that.
macOS doesn't have a native clipboard history, you need CopyClip
No individual app volume controls, you need SoundSource
Redmond's windowing manager is better and until recently you needed Rectangle in macOs to compensate
The resize button in macOS is inconsistent and you never know the final window size
System tray isn't user-compressible


Let's be honest, in the recent years macOs has been moving buttons and panels around or putting a fresh coat of paint in some UI elements and few ground breaking features.
 
How do these Surface models compare the the iPad M4. That’s a comparison I might actually be interested in.
 
Speed isn’t everything. OS Integration (and GUI) as well as quality app availability are some of the reasons I stay with Apple.
This.....I use my Windows PC for gaming and I have a very beefy system (multiple actually) with a 5090. I much prefer macOS for what you stated. Also, nearly every app looks much better than Windows. I mean come on FileZilla vs Transmit. FL Studio vs Logic Pro. WinMerge vs Kaleidoscope. Git vs Tower
 
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Speed isn’t everything. OS Integration (and GUI) as well as quality app availability are some of the reasons I stay with Apple.
Apple has done an excellent job integrating their ecosystem. But the same can be said of Microsoft integration with their business / enterprise ecosystem and Windows. Also the integration with Windows, Xbox and Cloud Gaming is very good. Windows also has a long list of excellent applications and games.

As for GUI, I think is a matter of preference. I work with macOS and Windows in a weekly basis, and both are very good.
 
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who doesn't love updates, updates, and more updates with windows PCs. I feel like with a Mac, for work especially, I can set up the machine and someone can use it for years without my intervention. With our windows PCs, I am constantly dealing with driver issues, updates, etc.
My work Mac keeps nagging me for updates. I get the popup notification everyday in the topright corner and the update badge in the Settings app can't be hidden. Not sure if this is work policy or default macOS behavior, but seems like I have to install updates and reboot my laptop every week to get rid of these distractions. I don't feel macOS is better than Windows on this topic.
 
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My work Mac keeps nagging me for updates. I get the popup notification everyday in the topright corner and the update badge in the Settings app can't be hidden. Not sure if this is work policy or default macOS behavior, but seems like I have to install updates and reboot my laptop every week to get rid of these distractions. I don't feel macOS is better than Windows on this topic.

Normally you should be prompted every month or month and a half to install updates, unless there is a major security issue, where they rush out a patch. They have released 4 updates this year, as far as I can see, so it should only have prompted for updates 4 times.
 
Apple does it all the time with many of its products, it often compares a new model against two or three generations behind.
MacBook Air M4 marketing uses intel and M1 models as baselines.
Yeah but it feels different when you do it against yourself ykno?

Comparing a new offering with an existing offering VS comparing your product with your competitor’s product but using an older model they don’t even sell directly anymore.

The point of the first comparison is “if you upgrade your current model you get this much more” while the other is “if you pick us and not them you get this much more”
 
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Yeah but it feels different when you do it against yourself ykno?

Comparing a new offering with an existing offering VS comparing your product with your competitor’s product but using an older model they don’t even sell directly anymore.

The point of the first comparison is “if you upgrade your current model you get this much more” while the other is “if you pick us and not them you get this much more”
Well, it's marketing, it's always an half-told story.
They wanted to prove they're faster and comparing against last year's M3 gave them what they wanted, so they went for that. Questionable? Yes. False? No.
Apple wants to prove they're faster, but M3 vs M4 gives risible improvements, so they use M1 or their 6 years old intel model as baselines on front-page splashes. Questionable? Yes. False? No.
 
I don't see the point in comparing it to a Macbook. It doesn't run MacOS. You're comparing Apples to Lemons. One is fun to use, and the other leaves you with a bitter taste in your mouth.
 
Apple pioneered ARM?
The 'A' in ARM used to stand for Acorn, a British computer company that designed processors and other related tech. They worked on research with Apple starting in the 80's, the first major product being StrongARM (built by DEC using ARM's instruction set), which made its way into Apple's Newton.
 
I don't see the point in comparing it to a Macbook. It doesn't run MacOS. You're comparing Apples to Lemons. One is fun to use, and the other leaves you with a bitter taste in your mouth.

Sorry, but I don't understand what "it" is. Yet, using both on-the-daily, I have some 'fun', in either OS.

Subjectively more-so on my AAPL devices; but, it's more about what I can actually do with content, than how the content is interfaced.

I just stick with what works for me.
 
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