Sidebar Sidebar
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.

Microsoft Says 'We're Faster Than a Mac' in Latest Windows PC Ad

TydalForce said:
How fast do you want to crash today?
Click to expand...
I have not had W11 crash since I built the system. I have had apps crash, lock up actually, on both W11 and MacOS. That is an app problem, not OS.

Microsoft has a difficult task supporting dozens of motherboards, hundreds of interface cards, and thousands of software packages. Apple has their hardware. Configurations that Apple controls. Intel support is disappearing with only the M series left. Microsoft supports dozens of platforms, Apple one. A difficult problem for Microsoft, not so for Apple.
 
>says the top-end Windows PCs with Copilot+ branding are up to 58% faster than the previous-generation MacBook Air with the M3 chip

Is it me or is this just a weird flex?
“Our latest top of the line offerings are so much better than our competitor’s last gen low end offerings!”
 
My work PC takes a full 120 seconds to start and be ready to use, 2 years old, top end. My MBP M1 Pro starts up and is ready to use in under 30.
 
Why would I want to go back and return to Windows? I took one look at Windows 8 and said to my boss, 'I'm done. I'm retiring.' That was April 2016. My next project was to be based on a PC running W8 rather than Server 2016.
Microsoft has done zilch to even make me consider going back to their [redacted] software stack.
I'm running an M1 MBP and at the moment, my only regret was not going to the 24Gb of RAM instead of the 16Gb that I have.
I had to work on a family member's W11 system a while back and I nearly wiped it and installed Linux, it was that bad. I eventually fixed the problem with printing but they know now to never ask me again. As for W12? I expect that it will be 100% cloud based and to hell with anyone working off grid/internet which is something I do almost every weekend.
I don't need a touch screen on my Mac's. My iPad is fine for that stuff.
 
Good news for PC users, after all they dominate the market by a very significant margin over Mac. If you’re a Mac user, carry on, why do you care if you are never going to use Windows but constantly feel the need to keep saying it?
 
TracesOfArsenic said:
BAHAHAHA you're drunk on the Apple Koolaid. There's no depth there anymore. It's all woke posturing and mindless, floundering iterations to find something that works.
Click to expand...
like the Vision Pro right? or the Apple Watch That's save lives around the world? or Apple silicon that took the Mac to a new era of computing (not to mention R1, H2, A series of chips)? or maybe the integration and seamlessness with every other app, native and not just a web app? beautifully crafted by design.
just look at what's out there... you're delusional.
 
Last edited:
  • Haha
Reactions: TracesOfArsenic
DanVM said:
I agree with you that Apple has a nice ecosystem and their hardware integrate nicely. It is the best? That depends. If we are talking about enterprise, MS ecosystem is miles ahead of Apple.

MS also have a better ecosystem in gaming.

IMO, there is no perfect ecosystem. Apple excels in certain areas, while Microsoft has its own strengths. It all depends on what you need.
Click to expand...
Nobody takes the responsibility on you as a user of an ecosystem like Apple.
 
raythompsontn said:
Microsoft supports dozens of different computers from different manufacturers, with dozens of different configurations, and thousands of software packages. The legacy support is leaps ahead of Apple. I have 10 year old software I can still run on my Windows machine that no longer runs on Apple hardware. To buy new versions to work on the Mac has been costly.
Click to expand...
But you can say the same on Windows as well. We still have XP machines in some labs (no longer networked), because upgrading the software on each individual PC ranges from $50,000 to $250,000 - i.e. the manufacturer won't sell an upgraded version of the software, you have to buy a new measuring device.
 
I love it when Apple fans get so fired up by Windows. I use both and they each have their uses, I like both in different ways.

But it’s hilarious when people start defending Apple as if it’s a small charity with the world against it. It’s a gigantic corporate beast of a company that is actually a ruthless money making machine. Microsoft is too.

They only exist to make money, they are businesses. Yes, they may have better social contracts than other corporations and Microsoft is indeed on the whole a “friendlier” company than it used to be. But if there’s no money to make, they would leave in an instant. Don’t ever forget that. They are not, and never have been your friend.
 
  • Like
Reactions: LeeW
Could be. Now let's talk about the Operative System.... and the battery, and the performance under battery, and the cheap plastic of the chassis, and the monitor quality... and probably some other two or three key points.
 
  • Like
Reactions: cjsuk
raythompsontn said:
Because people are buying watches, phones and tablets. None of which Microsoft sells. The rest of the people are looking for support because they have issues they cannot solve on their Apple devices. The comparison between Microsoft and Apple is not equal in that regard. The Apple Store is supporting the hardware and the software beyond the desktop and laptop. Apple no doubt did it correctly with their stores. But that contributes to the cost of Apple's products.
Click to expand...

Well precisely. The Apple thing is an ecosystem. Microsoft killed theirs dead through mismanagement (windows phone) and their tablet option was left in the dust simply because they tried to do an all-in-one OS which didn't work (windows 8+) and screwed it and everyone who bought one.

And lets not start talking about costs here. If you include time, which is the principal cost for me on most technical issues by an order of magnitude, I'd rather pay Apple's store front cost than Microsoft's time cost.

raythompsontn said:
Microsoft supports dozens of different computers from different manufacturers, with dozens of different configurations, and thousands of software packages. The legacy support is leaps ahead of Apple. I have 10 year old software I can still run on my Windows machine that no longer runs on Apple hardware. To buy new versions to work on the Mac has been costly.
Click to expand...

Yeah and no. You can run sort of run old software because at the moment because Microsoft haven't managed to fudge their APIs recently because they've been concentrating on WinUI/React Native and building out heaps of excrement on top of Electron/Edge etc. The windows APIs your old stuff relies on are mostly stable because they have completely abandoned them. Roll back 15 years or so and there were constant problems. I had to maintain a huge chunk of C++/MFC/win32 for years and it was mostly writing if statements for broken bits of API. A good example is high DPI support in win32 which is a complete disaster and requires you to rewrite nearly all of your window loops to handle different placement / draw primitives depending on the device scale.

On the Mac I mostly haven't had to pay for much if I'm honest other than Adobe and Mathematica which just work.

raythompsontn said:
Then you have the memory and storage pricing on Apple. For the price of an upgrade to 1TB on my Mac I could easily install 64 Gig of memory and 2TB of storage an my W11 desktop. And if I want to increase either of those it can be done. I could increase my storage to 32TB on my desktop for less than the price of 8TB on the current Mac systems.
Click to expand...

Are you sure? I just bought a 24Gb / 1TB M4 Pro MBP which is actually £250 cheaper than the equivalent specification Dell. And the MacBook actually works properly (I have the Dell as well and it doesn't).

raythompsontn said:
For speed my W11 desktop exceeds my M5 MacBook in almost everything. Boot time on my W11 machine is 15 seconds. Lightroom and Photoshop are both faster on my W11 machine. I paid less for the W11 machine, with 64GIG of memory and 8TB of storage than I did for my MacBook with 24GIG and 1TB.
Click to expand...

M5 macbook? Time traveller. I assume you mean M4. My Windows 14700K desktop w/ 64Gb of RAM / 2TB of Samsung 990 Pro disk and NVidia RTX 4060 is slower than my M4 Pro in Lightroom. The UI lags out, all sorts. Not to mention getting any kind of colour calibrated display that isn't a piece of crap costs *serious* money. I just plug my MBP into the Studio display and it's good enough.

raythompsontn said:
Neither platform is superior. They both have their strengths, and weaknesses. I use both. Some things about Apple and MacOS are really annoying. Some things about Windows are annoying. You can't copy and paste images with Apple unless the images in the folder are in list view. Microsoft makes no difference. As a photographer that is my biggest complaint.
Click to expand...

I'm not sure what you're doing wrong. I do that all the time.

raythompsontn said:
Buy what you want, and like, and move on. If you really want a horrible experience get a Chromebook, from any vendor.
Click to expand...

That I can agree with. That's not really a computer.
 
Fuzzball84 said:
I love it when Apple fans get so fired up by Windows. I use both and they each have their uses, I like both in different ways.

But it’s hilarious when people start defending Apple as if it’s a small charity with the world against it. It’s a gigantic corporate beast of a company that is actually a ruthless money making machine. Microsoft is too.

They only exist to make money, they are businesses. Yes, they may have better social contracts than other corporations and Microsoft is indeed on the whole a “friendlier” company than it used to be. But if there’s no money to make, they would leave in an instant. Don’t ever forget that. They are not, and never have been your friend.
Click to expand...

Would like to point out that the Apple and Microsoft fanboy thing is a false dichotomy. Some of us hate both of them but one more than the other. But we need to get work done so we pick the one that kicks us in the balls less.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Fuzzball84
Fuzzball84 said:
I’ve not had a crash on windows for a long long time I can’t even remember

But on iOS and iPad OS etc I’ve had numerous crashes
Click to expand...

One from last week for you

1747402137696.png
 
cjsuk said:
Would like to point out that the Apple and Microsoft fanboy thing is a false dichotomy. Some of us hate both of them but one more than the other. But we need to get work done so we pick the one that kicks us in the balls less.
Click to expand...
Their existence is exactly for this reason. They provide a product or a service that they can make money from.

As a customer, a person or another business. We have a need, a requirement or want and go and find that product or service that best fits.

Brand or company loyalty is just something these companies leverage to make even more money out of you. Never let yourself be held to ransom out of loyalty to a company. They have no loyalty to you.
 
Fuzzball84 said:
Their existence is exactly for this reason. They provide a product or a service that they can make money from.

As a customer, a person or another business. We have a need, a requirement or want and go and find that product or service that best fits.

Brand or company loyalty is just something these companies leverage to make even more money out of you. Never let yourself be held to ransom out of loyalty to a company. They have no loyalty to you.
Click to expand...

Well it's a little more complicated than that.

There's a work function for something, which is the amount of work you have to do to get to the destination. Then there is a friction function which reduces your ability to get to the destination. Call it productivity=work-friction.

Back in 2010 or so Microsoft they had a good deal there with Windows Phone, Windows, Office and their developer tools. They were good times. But due to mismanagement and direction changes they managed to burn their own mobile platform to the ground (rewrote it using NT and told all developers to start again) and all developer interest (visual studio bloat/dropping silverlight/appfabric etc), pretty much destroy their operating system trying to respond to the iPad (Windows 8+) and the forced move to O365. Compared to then windows is a productivity drain now for me. The work factor is lower and the friction is higher.

Apple sort of just incrementally improved their products. Small features, more consistency, better screens, better CPUs, things just working etc etc. They didn't have to do much because Microsoft ruined their product line and are now trying to flog the dead horse again with CoPilot.

It's not loyalty, it's just picking what's right for the job I have and I expect that's true for most people.

Also there's a quality thing. I'd rather eat a nice meal than a wonky arse McDonalds burger.
 
Fuzzball84 said:
I haven’t seen one of those screens for a long time. I’m very happy for you.
Click to expand...

You probably don't have the sample size we have. We have 500 a week at least. I don't think I've heard of a single Mac failure yet other than the guy who shut one in his car door. There's just silent. We have less of them but they just work.
 
LeeW said:
Not seen one those in maybe a decade, and it was a hardware issue, not a windows fault. People seem to not realise that the trigger for a blue screen is often something other than windows specifically.
Click to expand...

It's what happens when you pay £3500 for a Dell Precision. You get muck.
 
  • Like
Reactions: LeeW
Joe Rossignol said:
Their ad here feels comically low budget, like a high school student's project while they learn how to use a video camera and Windows Media Player.
Click to expand...
That's because it is comically low-budget. This was an internal video intended to make Microsoft employees laugh, not a real ad.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.
Top Bottom
Back