Microsoft Says Windows 10 PCs 'Do More' Than Macs in Latest Ads

[iSRS]

The only thing I wish that the Mac had that Windows 10 PCs currently have is a biometric authentication method such as a Touch ID sensor or Intel RealSense camera. This would fit right at home with the security angle Apple has been pushing in recent years.

And seeing as the Mac is about to get Siri soon enough, Cortana is a moot point anyway.

For me, not interested in Touch Screen, though maybe some are. Having options doesn't hurt me for those who do want it.

I'd rather see (and think it is coming with iOS X this summer) iOS get closer to a desktop class OS on iPads. That, iPad Pro (and if they release a smaller iPad Pro) are the Apple responses.

Siri likely will come to the Mac with Mac OS X 10.12

As for Biometric login? I use this. http://macid.co

Great app. Even can tap a pattern on my touchpad to unlock the screen

 

[Jsameds]

Per head of population?

Per machine.

 

[H2SO4]

Per machine.

Any sources?

It might be because I frequent more Apple forums than Windoze, (although I use Windows 9-5 like everybody else at my company). But I hear a lot more about Mad Macs than I do about broken Windows these days.

The Apple obsession for a new OS every 10 minutes is counterproductive for everything except Keynotes.

 

[Popeye206]

Apple has previously admitted it has no plans to release a touchscreen Mac.
"We don't think it's the right interface, honestly," said Craig Federighi

here's where Apple and I part ways 'ideologically.' Bg Time.

they're holding out. kicking the inevitable can. it's not like they've never seen a wacom cintiq in action: OS X is a DREAM with a stylus, even on the 12-13" inch versions - i find myself trying to use my finger ALL THE TIME. it would be absolutely 110% perfect. no nay-sayer could ever convince me otherwise: cause the naysayers are either ignorant, totally uncreative, or there's something blocking their logical thought patterns. yeah, i'm that convinced.

Give Me A Touch Screen Mac. Do It.

I guess I'm ignorant, uncreative and have no logical thought patterns... I see no use for a touch screen on a laptop. As it is, I can't stand smudges on the screen. I don't think it's the right place for the technology.

BTW... I had a touch screen on my Mac back in 1998 when my company was doing work with early touchscreen kiosks... so I hooked it up to my Mac thinking it would be cool. It was cool... for about 10 minutes and then I never used it again except to show off to people and touch my screen to get things to move. Back in 1998 it was impressive but didn't improve the experience at all.

 

[TechZeke]

Loving Windows 10, but Microsoft has some nerve given all the issues with the Surface Line.

With that said, I can't blame Microsoft since 2015 was strong year for Windows but a week year for Mac. Dell managed to single-handedly make the entire MacBook Line look dated and overpriced, while the Surface has hit the ground running for students. In the span of 2 months, Surface Pros are all over campus now.

Meanwhile, Apple is running a $2500 machine on Haswell with a throttling GPU that's significantly less powerful than the 960M in the cheaper XPS 15, a Skylake iMac with no thunderbolt 3 or USB-C, and a Mac mini and Mac Pro that haven't been updated in over a year.

The Mac line is looking rather embarrassing to be honest. I honestly don't think Apple can or should wait until June.

 

[Three141]

I am a MS fan but I don't want these adverts they seem to ignore Google creeping up also especially with things like mail.

I would rather they bullied their hardware partners to clear out bloatware have a MS set 'minimum' quality/spec devices, my siblings own HP laptops and they are forever having issues how can it be that my 2011MBP was the best device I ran windows on until the Surface Pro 2

MS we have other issues like why on earth did you release those 'temporary' windows phone instead of refining the current top spec ones out i.e. Big Lumia

 

[merkinmuffley]

I've tried using them in the MS store(s) - even with the smiling droids helping me, I don't believe they do more. The lack of a touchscreen on the Mac's might eventually bite Apple in the butt - it's too early to tell.

 

[NMBob]

Why the F is Apple going to wait until June to announce new Mac hardware? That's ridiculous.

Well, because if they announced it today, but didn't ship it until June (or later) there would be a riot.

"Most of Apple's Mac lineup is due for a hardware refresh this year..."

Unfortunately, so is the software. It would be nice if they would keep the same software, keep fixing bugs, but come out with faster shiny hardware.

 

[teslo]

I guess I'm ignorant, uncreative and have no logical thought patterns... I see no use for a touch screen on a laptop. As it is, I can't stand smudges on the screen. I don't think it's the right place for the technology.

BTW... I had a touch screen on my Mac back in 1998 when my company was doing work with early touchscreen kiosks... so I hooked it up to my Mac thinking it would be cool. It was cool... for about 10 minutes and then I never used it again except to show off to people and touch my screen to get things to move. Back in 1998 it was impressive but didn't improve the experience at all.

i'll just prescribe ignorance then citing a 1998 example is kinda silly when there are Surface pros and Cintiqs to use - WITH OS X. and it's superatistic. so many people think and feel like OS X shouldn't work as a touch interface. it does with bells on.

 

[erzhik]

Nothing upsets Apple fanboys like some ads targeted at Apple. Then all of a sudden, Appleboys start out listing all possible excuses to show that Windows is inferior. So much tears.

 

[Ezlivin]

I moved to Macs to 2008 and now have three including a six-core 2012 Mac Pro. I switched back to PCs for several reasons. I like the W10 user interface better. Windows machines have real keyboards all the traditional keys and shortcuts so Office applications are easier to use. On Windows the user can disable all sliding, fading and rubber-banding silliness. There are USB ports all over the place. Photoshop CS seems to work a little better. El Capitan will have been long gone before W8.1 and W10 hit the trashcan.

Additionally my HP Z230 was super easy to upgrade using very affordable HP-branded accessories. It came with both W7 Pro and W8.1 Pro on CDs for maximum OS flexibility. It also has a three-year warranty so I didn't have to buy Applecare. For the price of a base Mac Pro with Applecare I've got a powerful machine, 3.6GHz i7, 32GB RAM, 4GB Quadro 4200 GPU, internal USB 3 card reader, and Blu-ray.

Seriously I still love working on my Macs but i doubt if I will buy another one. Apple just does not seem to care about computers anymore.

Then I guess this is your last post here.

 

[markob]

Microsoft seriously needs to change either whole marketing dept or their agencies. All these "we are better...", "our product is better than..." and other comparing crap is long gone in ad business, it only shows lack of creative ideas.

 

[StevieD100]

Holy cow, why do people insist on starting OS wars around here? I mean, I see people going out of their way to exaggerate problems with OS X and bring up problems with Windows that haven't been problems for years.

Windows 10 and OS X are both solid operating systems with minor flaws. No need to claim superiority for your OS of choice.

While I agree with most of what you are saying, the way Microsoft has foisted the crap W10 on us with all the snooping etc when Windows 7 is perfectly fine IMHO has made me vow to never use any MS Operating System after Windows 7. They've even messed up the Server OS U/I. All those acres of white space and ugh!. Underneath it is good but to use it? No way. Never.

 

[-hh]

Kind of surprising to see the market leader with around 90% share going on the offense against a tiny competitor in terms of market share. Guess even Microsoft knows who's making most of the money in the PC hardware market.

Yup, and they see the time as right for taking back some of the more expensive (+profitable) desktop segment, specifically because of how Apple has been neglecting OS X's capabilities.

I switched over to Mac back in 2011 after using Windows basically my entire life. Now I won't touch that OS except when I'm forced to for work.

For the past 20 years, I've had Windows (predominantly) at work and Mac at home ... and yet because of how OS X's ecosystem has degraded, I'm very seriously considering leaving the sinking ship and buying my first home Windows PC ever(!) to replace my home Mac Pro.

Apple has apparently forgotten that the underlying purpose of any OS is not to go run a cute screen-saver, but to facilitate the system's operator to easily/quickly get to their Applications, which is where productive activities are performed.

When workflows are hampered or broken (such as by EOL'ing core Ecosystem Apps), there can be no productivity gain, and with no productivity, the system does not pay for itself...it no longer is a Value-added product.

Now that I'm being forced to look at my alternatives for my particular workflow requirements, I've also found that switching to a Windows desktop will result in roughly a $2000 cost savings. Didn't wish it was so, but that just adds to the business case which is compelling me to cut my ties from Mac OS despite the last 20 years & many Macs.

 

[MadDog31]

My in-laws just bought a Windows 10 machine from HP for their father for $500. I've now spent an entire Sunday formatting and reinstalling (to get rid of the installed demos and junkware) and turning various "features" off to speed up the machine after he reported it running extremely slow for days. The hardware is fine, the software absolutely stinks on ice.

 

[jweinraub]

I really don't understand why people seem to actually like Windows 10. I have both a Mac and a PC and use both equally. A lot of my Mac fanboy friends all told me Win10 is actually not bad, it is the future, get used to it. One actually now prefers Win10 over OS X and I have yet to see why.

Unfortunately my test of Windows 10 exceeded the month they gave you to revert, and I really miss Win7 on the PC, and I will format it and go back to it one of these days. I still have too much stuff on my PC (6 TB worth of stuff) and my 1 TB mbp can't take it all in one swoop. Though I think if I were to get rid of Win10, I may just use Debian instead

 

[Tubamajuba]

While I agree with most of what you are saying, the way Microsoft has foisted the crap W10 on us with all the snooping etc when Windows 7 is perfectly fine IMHO has made me vow to never use any MS Operating System after Windows 7. They've even messed up the Server OS U/I. All those acres of white space and ugh!. Underneath it is good but to use it? No way. Never.

I certainly understand your concerns, but I've turned off all of the snooping stuff and I'm okay with what little data they collect from me now. Still, I think Microsoft should make it easier for us to explicitly disable all data collection, if so desired. Either way, Windows 10 is great for me despite that. Can't comment on the server UI, because I've never used it.

 

[jkichline]

I know about zero people that use a touch screen on a laptop because it's so freaking awkward. The only advantage is if you have one that can convert into a tablet but at that point you have a laptop that's not really a laptop and isn't a very good tablet either.

I owned a Toshiba Windows Tablet PC for years and used it for work. Decent laptop actually, but I only ever used the tablet portion about once just to see that it did something. The stylus broke and wouldn't stay in the little hole and so it got lost. There was about ZERO actually use case for the device unless you were using it as a doctor. It's just a whole lot more efficient to type and look at the screen and control it with a mouse.

So while this may appear to be a competitive advantage, and I'm sure some people will buy it like this so they can circle things awkwardly on a laptop screen, I really see no point. Get a Mac or get an iPad based on your needs.

Oh and how much does Powerpoint cost? It's not part of the operating system. You get Keynote for free and it's a rock solid presentation app.

 

[Iconoclysm]

Windows 10 absolutely does more.
In the background.
That eats up resources and slows the whole machine down.

I mean seriously, what is Service Host doing with all that CPU time?

Service Host is what runs virtually all of the background tasks for the OS.

 

[KaliPaige]

I guess I'm ignorant, uncreative and have no logical thought patterns... I see no use for a touch screen on a laptop. As it is, I can't stand smudges on the screen. I don't think it's the right place for the technology.

BTW... I had a touch screen on my Mac back in 1998 when my company was doing work with early touchscreen kiosks... so I hooked it up to my Mac thinking it would be cool. It was cool... for about 10 minutes and then I never used it again except to show off to people and touch my screen to get things to move. Back in 1998 it was impressive but didn't improve the experience at all.

Same here. Got a Surface Pro 3 but I don't find the touch screen all that useful. I tried to fall in love with it as a tablet; I really did... But the fact of the matter is that Windows 10 just does not have the app ecosystem in place yet. I recently bought an iPad Mini 4 several weeks ago and things are much better.

As for the Surface Pro 3, I decided to stop even trying to use it as a tablet and just use it as a laptop. I do occasionally use the touch screen when I can't be bothered to use the tiny trackpad on the Type Cover, but if it was the trackpad on the rMB... That would likely be a different story.

I'm actually debating getting a Retina MacBook Pro whenever they do a Skylake refresh and putting the Surface up as a backup machine. Everyone in my family is grounded in Apple's ecosystem and uses iMessage and FaceTime anyway, and I would love to have an OS that integrates with my iPhone.

 

[aajeevlin]

Oh I'm talking about Windows 10 itself. Every minor thing that happens results in a "DUN DUN DUN" sound and a long notification pop up. I've disabled it for everything I can yet they still occur. Even just that fact that they think anyone would want the defiant setting is mind boggling.

Your have successfully convinced me not to switch...haha

I thought the "update to win10" was already annoying enough.

 

[ka-spot]

that's awesome, but I still want the new Skylake MBP retina 13"

 

[Urban Joe]

Funny how things have changed so quickly. Used to be Mac was not common and was hard to get software for. Mac dominance is a VERY recent phenomenon. But you have to admit Surface is a kicking piece of hardware. MS needs to figure out how to get developers to write for it again. Its all about that app, bout that app and MS is losing the software battle it seems.

 

[vertsix]

It's unbelievable the amount of ignorance most people have in this thread. I was hoping to come here and read legitimate and solid criticism based on real, solid facts.

Windows allows you to do so much more than OS X because it is open-source and friendly to developers. The real world runs on Windows, not OS X. OS X is just a more aesthetically pleasing and less functional Windows. Sure, it may not be as efficient or as stable as OS X, but it's clearly the better platform for pretty much everything.

It's true. Take it like it is and accept it.

 

[teslo]

Same here. Got a Surface Pro 3 but I don't find the touch screen all that useful. I tried to fall in love with it as a tablet; I really did... But the fact of the matter is that Windows 10 just does not have the app ecosystem in place yet. I recently bought an iPad Mini 4 several weeks ago and things are much better.

As for the Surface Pro 3, I decided to stop even trying to use it as a tablet and just use it as a laptop. I do occasionally use the touch screen when I can't be bothered to use the tiny trackpad on the Type Cover, but if it was the trackpad on the rMB... That would likely be a different story....

i always feel like this whole argument just stems from vastly different workflows. look, if you use mostly MS Office and PDFs with business software (or whatever it may be), then No, maybe it's not for you. it's kinda like saying "i don't see why anyone would need 3D software bundles. what benefit would it serve? i tried it for a couple weeks and wanted to like it but it was awkward and cumbersome," etc...

it's really that simple. some of would give our left one to use OS X as a touch interface. there's absolutely nothing wrong with it for touchable needs. hence my belief that Apple is stalling, being disingenuous for the time being, or outright wrong here.