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again, this is clearly all about workflow. maybe your wife has different case-uses in mind that i do, but having a tired arm means you go back to the mouse for a while. time for a break, just like any painter would do when he couldn't hold it up to the easel any more.

i never said Apple was incapable, and in fact, there are cintiq companion hacks out there on youtube showing that OS X Yosemite is indeed touch cable when Mavericks was not. so i know that Apple has been playing with the notion behind the scenes, and they for whatever reason don't want to jump into that demographic just yet. which is frustrating for us 'niche' users (cintiqs are a hugely popular device that you run into all over the place if you're in our 'niche' group of visual/video/audio creatives - and i use 'niche' sarcastically here) - we're fully aware that Apple's version is coming. whether it's next year or in 5-6, there will be one. mark my words. so no amount of 'i don't get it' or 'how could anyone have a different workflow than mine and my friends, you must be niche' is going to change inevitability.

I just asked her. She said there is no way she would want to interrupt her workflow every few minutes going back to a mouse, simply to compensate for a poor user interface design.

She doesn't need to interrupt her workflow with her iPad Pro and Pencil (she can draw for an hour before taking a break - in order to get out of her chair for a few minutes), why would she tolerate such a poor situation with a touch-enabled laptop? Nobody would. That's crazy.

That's what's great about Apple. They think ahead, making dozens of engineering prototypes, trying out many ideas with real people and professionals (in the case of graphic artists) and find out where the problems and gotchas are. Before releasing a product that in the end works poorly and making they're customers unhappy.
 
I just asked her. She said there is no way she would want to interrupt her workflow every few minutes going back to a mouse, simply to compensate for a poor user interface design.

She doesn't need to interrupt her workflow with her iPad Pro and Pencil (she can draw for an hour before taking a break - in order to get out of her chair for a few minutes), why would she tolerate such a poor situation with a touch-enabled laptop? Nobody would. That's crazy.

That's what's great about Apple. They think ahead, making dozens of engineering prototypes, trying out many ideas with real people and professionals (in the case of graphic artists) and find out where the problems and gotchas are. Before releasing a product that in the end works poorly and making they're customers unhappy.

so apple should be thinking about your wife specifically. got it.
 
Windows 10 still:

• Blue screens, despite apologists pretending it doesn't.
• Still has registry corruptions, despite apologists pretending it doesn't.
• Still corrupts user profiles, despite apologists pretending it doesn't.
• Still needs 3rd party antivirus, despite apologists pretending that built-in Windows Defender is all that's necessary.

Bluescreens are caused by legacy drivers to support all the old hardware, Malware and virus are built for the most popular platform in the real world, hence why there is so much on Windows, Windows runs the world, show me a factory/bank/financial institute or manufacturing plant that uses Macs run everything
 
Yeeech. I give them -10 for having a Franken-UI touchscreen interface that doubles as a desktop interface. My elderly aunt has a touchscreen Windows PC and it made teaching her how to use her computer twice as hard because she gets completely flustered by the competing input methods. She gets used to touching everything and then gets completely stuck when she runs into a mouse only interface.

That has not been my experience with the Windows 10 UI.

I could imagine that happens if you use crappy old non-Microsoft software in Windows 10, but all I've seen so far are UIs that work well both with mouse and touch.

The only problem I have is, as I said, a mix of a touch screen laptop with 2 non-touch external displays.
 
Windows 10 certainly phones home far more than Mac OS - 1000's of times a day by all accounts.

I really hope Apple does NOT follow this alarming spy trend.
 
who the hell wants to look at bugs? most people will probably turn away from the bugs when they see these adverts.

it's like when microsoft came out with the brand new colour for the zune that you couldn't get with the ipod - brown.
This is the same company the created a commercial in which Dean Cain slips in vomit. I don't think he worked for 7 years after that move.
 
You can do more all you want. A Mac does what I need it to do extremely well.
 
so apple should be thinking about your wife specifically. got it.


Re-read my response in post #177. Nowhere did I suggest that. In fact, quite the opposite.

You talked about my wife's workflow as a graphic artist. I responded to your question.

To respond with such a snide/snarky comeback speaks to both your being out of gas for further substantive discussion, and to your immature level of juvenile civil discourse.
 
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The only way I'd get Windows 10 was if it came with it, which was the case with my laptop. I wouldn't upgrade to Windows 10, unless you're currently on win8. For most people, win10 even with issues was an improvement over win8.

My PC is holding on to win7 until it goes.
 
Other than the touch screen and facial recognition log in (which "bugs" me) Win 10 PCs don't do more than Macs. Macs perform the same tasks differently. To imply that you can't search a Mac because it has no voice assistant is false. You can also run a drawing tool off the track pad. And how does "Show me photos of (whatever)" work? How do you have to flag your archive of 10,000 photos to find what you want by voice?

Details, details, details.

In regards to the ad, the women in them seem to be in their 20's but MS calls them "chicks". Isn't that a bit derogatory of women these days? "Chicks" was a 60's-70's term or earlier.

From Dictionary.com:
As a term used to refer to a young woman, chick is slightly dated. Originally it was perceived as insulting because of the perception that it infantilized women. Now the word has been embraced by some women as a positive term of self-reference and an expression of camaraderie. When used as a modifier, as in chick flick and chick lit, its meaning is not restricted to young women and its use is not offensive.

Disclaimer: I survived the Sexual Revolution.

Dale
 
I swear at Windows 7/8/2008/2012 Constantly. Call me old fashioned but I just don't want to be swearing at Cortana.
 
I use Cortana constantly. And always with a keyboard.
Some people like to launch apps by clicking on an icon they've placed somewhere. I prefer a more sparse desktop, and I don't like to keep track of shortcuts, so I prefer to type a fragment of the name of the app or file I want at Cortana.
I get the idea, sometimes, that people think Cortana is all about speech recognition or that it's just a differently branded Siri. It's more like Siri+Finder+Spotlight.

It's a very slightly different way to interact with your desktop. And if you don't like it, just turn it off.



Regarding Cortana, why do people love it so much? On Windows 10 it's the first thing I'd disable. I can type much faster and more accurately than I could ever relay information to cortana.

Just about everything it does I can do quicker myself.
 
Re-read my response in post #177. Nowhere did I suggest that.

You talked about my wife's workflow as a graphic artist. I responded to your question.

To respond with such a snide/snarky comeback speaks to both your being out of gas for further substantive discussion, and to your immature level of juvenile civil discourse.

sorry i suppose, you started with all the bold emphasis, which was highlighting only your anecdotal evidence - which seems to build your opinion that since your wife's workflow would suffer, 'why would apple pursue these endeavors?' and tired arms? i just don't think you've thought this through with an open mind, open to other people's workflows. you even use the words 'everybody/nobody' and 'crazy' to think a certain way. that's not opening any kind of discussion up.
 
The Cintiq niche... yes, it is and does, in fact, conform to the term... has been around for years, and has yet to reach full-on graphic design mainstream. The proof is that there is no product line outside of the hacks you propose graphic professionals head to YouTube to produce.

Apple has never and will never conform to the populist mindset. My iPad Pro gives me superior capabilities than Cintiq ever did, and the iCloud features for accessing my work across multiple devices is amazing.

Are you sure about that? It may be useful for conceptualizing on the go but for the heavy lifting, you need a desktop or high powered workstation at an in-house agency.

Cintiqs are already out there in use at professional work places and studio houses. Hell, even the freelance creatives have them in their home offices.

Apple conforms to the mainstream consumer. They screwed up in ignoring the creative market until now. The Pencil is nice but stupidly expensive when it doesn't have a digital eraser. WTF? What the hell were they thinking? It's one reason why I like using the Wacom stylus for my work due to the flexibility it has and I can intuitively erase by flipping it over like a REAL pencil.

Using the iCloud for professional work isn't always a good idea. I would never do that and rely on Dropbox since it's more customizable and I can encrypt folders only for clients to access and look at. It's far better than using iCloud as a workflow. I can even see it on my iPhone app and manually control the files. You can't do that entirely on iCloud.
 
I like the fact they use bugs to sell windows 10 - "Hey guys, this system is full of bugs, but is still awesome!"
I cannot stand the bugginess of Windows 10

I recently upgraded my gaming PC to Win10 from Win7 and there is absolutely no way that I would use the buggy mess that is Win10 for anything important. Win7 was wonderfully stable for me, but I haven't had to hit the reset button on the front of my PC case this often since Windows Me.
 
I love the window management in Win 10. Love. it.

And of course, not having to beg 3d plugin developers for a mac version helps, too. ;)
 
I've got legitimate Windows 10 Pro on a Surface Pro 3 and I keep getting ads for Tomb Raider on my lock screen.
I am honestly intrigued by it, it never happened to me (I am being honest and no sarcasm / hat or love for any platform).
Windows 10 still:

• Blue screens, despite apologists pretending it doesn't.
• Still has registry corruptions, despite apologists pretending it doesn't.
• Still corrupts user profiles, despite apologists pretending it doesn't.
• Still needs 3rd party antivirus, despite apologists pretending that built-in Windows Defender is all that's necessary.

And, while somebody here brought up that Apple messed up the Ethernet port and had some Kernel Panic problem, those are not normal issues with Macs.

On Windows 10, you still have to be a power user to some extent to keep the system clean. Normal, everyday users still pay me for malware they cannot explain.
Are we still between apologist ,fanboys and such? I mean can anyone like a thing different from you and not be called names?

Isn't it times we grow up???????
I use both and like both and i can assure you no platform is perfect, some stuff are better done on Mac others on Windows.
 
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