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Windows Phone 8 UI is refreshing. It tried to be something entirely new and should be commended. I really wish Apple could speed up the miniaturization of camera parts so we could enjoy super high quality photos without sacrificing the industrial beauty of the iPhone.

Agreed. I think Windows Phone 8 is the most refreshing smart phone OS out.

And really 41MP? Would love to see a sample photo...
 
Cameras such as these will be the death if point-and-shoot cameras.

The evidence shows this is already under way. Have any of you read Nikon's latest press release? They are planning a huge strategic shift BECAUSE of the rise of camera-phones.

Hence, in the next 4-6 years, "traditional camera companies" (Nikon, Olympus, Minolta, Fuji, Canon, etc) will become completely different beasts. There will be lots of professional photographers that will miss those "camera companies" as we once knew them.

It will be a HUGE product shift. Probably analogous to Apple transforming from a once "personal computer company" into a "mobile gadget company".

http://nikonrumors.com/2013/07/07/nikon-working-on-a-secret-product-smart-phone.aspx/

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Nikon's President quoted by NikonRumors:

Nikon’s imaging division and a new business team are working on products that are expected to be available in less than five years, according to the president.

“We want to create a product that will change the concept of cameras,” said Kimura. “It could be a non-camera consumer product.” The president declined to say if the company was developing a mobile phone.

Global shipments of compact digital cameras slid 48 percent in May from a year earlier, while more expensive single-lens-reflex sets, or SLRs, declined about 6 percent, according to the Camera & Imaging Products Association in Tokyo.

“Rapid expansion of mobile devices is a change in business environment given to us,” Kimura said. “Our task going forward is to find an answer to that change.”
 
It's like they got a time machine, grabbed a hardware designer from the 80s, and told them to design a smartphone.
 
Wow!! You got a screenshot of a mac computer crashing|? Impressive!! Been waiting to see it on my Mac for ages.....!!

I love my macs, but honestly... you're claiming you've never had a crash on your Mac... ever?

Sorry for my skepticism, but I find that hard to believe.

w00master
 
First, the sensor size is larger than any smartphone camera ever. And second you are referring to the CMOS pixel size which is quite small (1.12 µm). But this works similarly to Apple's retina screens, i.e. light from multiple pixels is used to output one image pixel (thats why it outputs a 5 MP image). And they of course will have superior hardware and software noise cancellation mechanisms.

I'm pretty sure that the Lumia will shoot way better night shots than that stupid 3200 ISO shots my iPhone 5 shoots.

But then again, I never bought my phone for the camera :)

And no, it cannot put Nikon and Cannon out of business. Point and shoots and DSLRs with their CCDs and big lenses will always be better than any smartphone camera.

I referred to nothing, nor did I compare to any other device. Whether the sensor is the biggest in a smartphone or not, it's still tiny for that many pixels and I'd be impressed if they could pull it off without sacrificing quality.

Regarding Nikon/Canon, that would only be with respect to their ability to produce a quality, high resolution image. As it is most smartphone cameras outperform my dslr's on general quality in well lit scenes, the best I have is only a D60 though.
 
Let's be clear here. Camera phones will _never_ supersede dSLRs. It is physically impossible to have the same level of creative control with a smartphone. Off camera flash, high speed sync, shallow depth of field, high speed shutter, optical zoom... All features that professional and amateur photographers use daily.

None of these things are practical thanks to the size of smartphone platforms. Not to mention that the ergonomics of a smartphone leave a lot to be desired when it comes to taking photos in many situations. Maybe Canon should release a dSLR with phone functions :)
 
Cameras such as these will be the death if point-and-shoot cameras.

Not really when you see the SONY RX 100 MII...

Right now any phone even this one suck at low light and/or hight contrast situation (which happens all the time during summer...).
 
I love my macs, but honestly... you're claiming you've never had a crash on your Mac... ever?

Sorry for my skepticism, but I find that hard to believe.

w00master

If by crash you mean stoping and restarting itself then NO, i never had it. Been using MacBook from 2008 to 2011 and then from 2011 to now iMac 21". I had Safari several times freezing up for over a minute and Final Cut X clsosing down itself. But that is all I had, believe it or not.
 
It's clear that many people don't understand why this has 41mp camera. It doesn't actually take 41mp shots (it can if you want). It takes 5mp shots and uses all other megapixels to create a lossless zoom. It's never been about megapixel war. If you want to see the results, go look at 808 PureView.
 
Agreed. I think Windows Phone 8 is the most refreshing smart phone OS out.

And really 41MP? Would love to see a sample photo...

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/8083837371/review-nokia-808-pureview/5 Here's an in-depth review of the first Nokia PureView camera from DPReview.

For a smartphone camera, it's very impressive.

It uses a larger sensor than on most camera phones, and the images aren't actually 41 MP. The camera over samples the image to capture more detail.

Here are the Pros and Cons from the conclusion of the DPREview review:

Conclusion - Pros:
Excellent detail resolution in all modes
Very good image quality - detailed, colorful JPEGs
Impressive photographic feature set - controllable ISO, WB, scene modes et al
Generally reliable AF and metering
Automatic white balance works well in all but the trickiest of light
PureView allows 'zoom' without penalty in image quality
Excellent video quality (and sound)

Conclusion - Cons:
Highlight clipping problematic in scenes with wide tonal range
No automatic HDR/dynamic range expansion function (but bracketing is available)
Metering can be rather wayward in bright light
On-screen histogram only available while exposure compensation dialog is open
Interface somewhat dense in 'creative' mode
Obscure on-screen icons for ND filter and white balance in creative mode
On-screen ISO indication just shows 'M' when any setting other than Auto is selected
Non-optical 'zooming' doesn't allow control over depth of field
No image stabilization in still capture mode
Red-eye can be an issue in flash shots (but red-eye reduction works well)
 
Pixel size has no effect on the noise in the image when compared at equivalent viewing sizes (vs per-pixel noise, which has no bearing at the image level anyway). In fact more pixels typically means less noise due to some sensor read out efficiencies.
. I think you need to study a little further. More pixels, more noise as more pixels are crammed in less space. Read signal to noise ratio.
 
Not really when you see the SONY RX 100 MII...

Right now any phone even this one suck at low light and/or hight contrast situation (which happens all the time during summer...).

Not entirely true. The Nokia 920 and Galaxy S3 in night mode can take some surprisingly impressive low light shots.

As you can see here.

No, it won't beat a dSLR or even higher end point 'n shoots, but they're still pretty solid.
 
I guess it tells how the times are changing when one of the latest iPhone ads on TV is about how more pictures are taken with an iPhone then any other device. People obviously think the iPhone is a good enough camera.
 
Microsoft on mr's front page

This is refreshing. A news article fully dedicated to a Microsoft phone with the big letters MICROSOFT taking up the whole front page on MR. :p
 
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