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Microsoft Shuffles Executives as Nokia Debuts New Windows Phone with 41MP Camera

Pro Market Collapse - still and video

Based on this thread I conclude that the PRO camera market is going to be gone because of this phone. No more Prime lens purchases, no more development of Micro 4/3 cameras or lens's.

Nikon and Canon are going to move their pro shooters into camera phones soon.

Heck why not say that this phone is going to put the professional video cameras out of business as well?

This phone is going to take over Hollywood movie production and editing will all be done on this phone.
 
Deadman64 said:
Agreed. I think Windows Phone 8 is the most refreshing smart phone OS out.

And really 41MP? Would love to see a sample photo...
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I agree. I had never "messed" with a windows phone until my nephew picked up a used nokia a couple of years old. I was very surprised and impressed. I was also impressed by nokia's hardware, something that has not happened since the 90's.

I don't have any plans of getting one soon, but I see a lot of potential.
 
Madmic23 said:
http://www.dpreview.com/articles/8083837371/review-nokia-808-pureview/5 Here's an in-depth review of the first Nokia PureView camera from DPReview.

For a smartphone camera, it's very impressive.

It uses a larger sensor than on most camera phones, and the images aren't actually 41 MP. The camera over samples the image to capture more detail.

Here are the Pros and Cons from the conclusion of the DPREview review:

Conclusion - Pros:
Excellent detail resolution in all modes
Very good image quality - detailed, colorful JPEGs
Impressive photographic feature set - controllable ISO, WB, scene modes et al
Generally reliable AF and metering
Automatic white balance works well in all but the trickiest of light
PureView allows 'zoom' without penalty in image quality
Excellent video quality (and sound)
Hardly anyone is buying a Windows Phone

Conclusion - Cons:
Highlight clipping problematic in scenes with wide tonal range
No automatic HDR/dynamic range expansion function (but bracketing is available)
Metering can be rather wayward in bright light
On-screen histogram only available while exposure compensation dialog is open
Interface somewhat dense in 'creative' mode
Obscure on-screen icons for ND filter and white balance in creative mode
On-screen ISO indication just shows 'M' when any setting other than Auto is selected
Non-optical 'zooming' doesn't allow control over depth of field
No image stabilization in still capture mode
Red-eye can be an issue in flash shots (but red-eye reduction works well)
Hardly anyone is buying a Windows Phone
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Just a small update. Slight form of sarcasm, but not really. :)
 
Sarcasm from captain obvious.:)

jmille44 said:
Based on this thread I conclude that the PRO camera market is going to be gone because of this phone. No more Prime lens purchases, no more development of Micro 4/3 cameras or lens's.

Nikon and Canon are going to move their pro shooters into camera phones soon.

Heck why not say that this phone is going to put the professional video cameras out of business as well?

This phone is going to take over Hollywood movie production and editing will all be done on this phone.
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41MP for a crappy lens and tiny sensor??
You gain nothing, except improved digital zoom. But still, I don't see the advantage. Who's going to process your prints? I'm not aware of any photo service that supports 41MP files (huge file size too!), unless (probably) it's a very expensive professional labs.

Not a wise choice. A desperate, thoughtless attempt to compete.
 
Amazing Iceman said:
41MP for a crappy lens and tiny sensor??
You gain nothing, except improved digital zoom. But still, I don't see the advantage. Who's going to process your prints? I'm not aware of any photo service that supports 41MP files (huge file size too!), unless (probably) it's a very expensive professional labs.

Not a wise choice. A desperate, thoughtless attempt to compete.
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It doesn't produce actual 41MP shots, rather it oversamples and outputs 7MP images that are surprisingly good for what you'd expect to come out of a smartphone camera.

This has only been said 15,000 times in this thread already.
 
Amazing sample low light pic

Nokia-Lumia-1020-official-samples-from-the-41-megapixel-camera.jpg
 
I think there are two main issues with cramming a 41mp sensor into a camera/phone like this. It’s a similar set of issues that are hit up against with DSLRs. The size of every individual pixel becomes too small as the density increases. The lenses can’t resolve detail that fine. That’s on a DSLR that has a much larger lens/sensor. Now we’re cramming this down even further? Sticking such a highly dense sensor behind a mass-produced/cheap lens? I’m surprised more people haven’t commented on this.

Stating that it’s a 41mp sensor and focusing on that, it’s a bit of misdirection to the real issues behind pulling something like this off. There’s a whole slew of other physical problems that you can’t overcome so easily, especially on a phone. Even if it’s down samping to a 5(7?)mp image or whatever, you’re still not starting out with the best image you could be. I just doubt the lens can handle it.

Besides that though, if you zoom in on an area, as has been suggested, there’s not as much downsamping, the image gets crappier.

Am I the only one that has thought about this? It was a problem with the Nikon D7000 and later the Nikon D800.

This camera is an exciting prospect. I want a good camera/lens on my phone, I think that'd be awesome. I know it wont replace DSLRs, it will help to replace point and shoots. It's a great step in photography that we should all be happy about. The pictures do look great. The focus on the 41mp aspect of it though, meh. It's the megapixel race all over again instead of a focus on what's really important.
 
Renzatic said:
It doesn't produce actual 41MP shots, rather it oversamples and outputs 7MP images that are surprisingly good for what you'd expect to come out of a smartphone camera.

This has only been said 15,000 times in this thread already.
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Might as well give it up. It would only be good to some if it's in an iphone and then it will be "apple's perfected technology".

Jeez, look at the sample pic's in the above post, they are very nice.
 
I love all the trash talking, but if Apple released this everyone would be creaming their pants on this site. Im glad some people are open minded here at least though.
 
MuffCabbage said:
I love all the trash talking, but if Apple released this everyone would be creaming their pants on this site. Im glad some people are open minded here at least though.
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This is the sort of product I'd consider dropping my iphone for. I love photography more than I love Apple. ;)
 
apolloa said:
In what way? I haven't read the thread but a camera like this one is going to better then the iPhone 5 no? If not then explain why? Although the xenon flash is a big bonus.
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It is beter than the iPhone 5, on the first page you'll find people spewing incorrect statements as fact. Like this for instance.

With a sensor that small, 41MP will produce extremely noisy photos. They have the logic wrong on this, unless we're talking about daylight shots.
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or this

I have no idea why you would want 41MP crammed onto a tiny sensor like that. Why don't they concentrate on making a decent camera rather than make something that 'sounds' good.
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This is funny, a camera phone with 41mb of poor quality.

Until they put a Micro 4/3 mount on the phone for quality lens, they can throw 2000MB into the camera and you will still have poor pictures.
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On what basis does MacRumors contend that Nokia's 41MP camera is "impressive"? Megapixels may provide a marketing advantage, but too many pixels relative to the size of the sensor will diminish photo quality in some of the most common situations.
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aerok said:
Amazing sample low light pic

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It's wonderful. I was looking at some of the other shots too. Pixel peeping, I see some things I don't like, but for a point and shoot camera, do want.

Someone commented earlier about these camera/phones not being able to replace a DSLR. I don't know. In some ways yes, but in some ways no. I think though that you could do things like remote flash triggering and full manual control. I don't see why not. Not having the need to compact it down to a picket sized device though, that does give it certain advantages to quality. It makes it easier to hit those quality marks.

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Toltepeceno said:
Point and shoot quality in a phone? I want to try one out.
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I've managed to get some good photos out of my iphone5, but it's not something I've ever been thrilled about. I've looked at shots on my phone and got excited, but on the computer it's eh. With those samples, if I could get to that quality, I'd be a lot happier.

My point and shoot is a Fuji XE-1. I don't know that a phone could replace that, it can't give me what I like about that camera. On those days when I don't want to drag a camera around though it'd be a godsend. I've been left dismayed too many times with the quality of pictures on my iphone5.
 
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