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Microsoft Shuffles Executives as Nokia Debuts New Windows Phone with 41MP Camera
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Nokia 808 Pureview running Symbian is still better in image quality than this Lumia 1020.
The reason is, although L1020 is equipped with a 1/1.5" BSI 41MP, its sensor is way smaller than the 1/1.2" which equips Nokia 808PV (non-BSI). BSI sensors are good, but cannot make miracles.
Earlier sample pictures show that L1020 easily outperforms Galaxy S4/iPhone 5 but it can't surpass Nokia 808. Even the "old" Nokia N8 is better than S4 (and probably better than L1020) in dynamic range.
I'm just waiting for the expected 808 price drop for buying one. If you just want browsing and social networking, Symbian is ok. Also, it provides FM transmitter (for streaming music to your vintage tube radio), microSD/HDMI/USB-OTG ports.
I really don't know why the world blames Symbian. Maybe only USA blames Symbian and their "specialized" media convinced the world that it sucks.
The reason is, although L1020 is equipped with a 1/1.5" BSI 41MP, its sensor is way smaller than the 1/1.2" which equips Nokia 808PV (non-BSI). BSI sensors are good, but cannot make miracles.
Earlier sample pictures show that L1020 easily outperforms Galaxy S4/iPhone 5 but it can't surpass Nokia 808. Even the "old" Nokia N8 is better than S4 (and probably better than L1020) in dynamic range.
I'm just waiting for the expected 808 price drop for buying one. If you just want browsing and social networking, Symbian is ok. Also, it provides FM transmitter (for streaming music to your vintage tube radio), microSD/HDMI/USB-OTG ports.
I really don't know why the world blames Symbian. Maybe only USA blames Symbian and their "specialized" media convinced the world that it sucks.
Yeah, matching the color of the icons to the color of the case. Dumb move on their part. Plus, the icons are just so basic, it looks like kindergartner designed the icons or they are designed to be used by a kindergartner.
The reason why the Lumia 1020 has a smaller sensor than the 808 is that the 1020 has IOS. It will more than compensate for night shots, in fact the 920 outperforms the 808 in low light photography.
The 1020 is the best of both worlds.
that's an awesome phone, the great windows OS + the best mobile camera on earth= a ground shattering phone.
The problem with Windows phones is that there are a bunch of different models by several different brands which means they'll have limited success with each model where they may not be able to recoup their development costs, which erodes profits. Something that the Android platform has problems with as well as the PC laptop/desktop industry.. Too many different models drives up R&D, mfg, support costs which hit the bottom line.
Apple just needs to address three screen sizes that seem to be emerging for their smartphone market. They could sell enough of three model screen sizes to make it worthwhile doing the R&D.
Apple just needs to address three screen sizes that seem to be emerging for their smartphone market. They could sell enough of three model screen sizes to make it worthwhile doing the R&D.
Obviously, the larger sensor should help considerably. A more interesting comparison would be to see that compared with an equivalently-sized sensor that used larger pixels.
Billboards are't actually that high of res. They don't need to be as they're always at minimum 60-70 feet away. More like 200 usually.
....you don't take pictures much do you? A cellphone camera is going to kill DSLR's? Come on.
http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/diffraction-photography.htm
I had these sorts of issues in mind, really.
Generally speaking, cheap DSLR lenses aren't that bad of quality. Still though, they're focusing light on sensors that are larger than what you might find in this camera. By larger, I mean physical size. I doubt this phone is packing a 35mm film sized sensor. I would imagine the density of pixels is crazy.
The lens may be a, what was it, f2.2? That's pretty wide open, but if the pixel density is high enough it could still have issues with diffraction. My D7000 worked best at about f5.6. Look at the Sony DSC-RX100, you'd need to stop down to 2.8 to avoid those issues. There's the issue of quality of lens too, and with the lens wide open like that there's other troubles you have to deal with... like chromatic aberration.
Quality of lens, yes... Hmm, think about a cheap camera compared to one with good glass? We're looking at extremes here, but it'll illustrate a point. I'm thinking a hipster plastic lens camera compared to a top of the line Canon. Yes, extremes, but you get my point. As that pixel density gets higher, as the sensor gets smaller, it's going to magnify those flaws somewhat. I'm not saying the lens on this is so cheap, but still, I'd wander where it's quality bar is at. The photos do look nice though, so it seems it's not so bad.
Those images are down-sampled though, the ones I've seen. It's actually a brilliant plan to get some great images out of the camera. The straight 41mp photo though, I can't imagine it being all that great.
However, having said all of that. My Nikon D40, a 6mp camera, with a cheap lens, took better images than those samples. It's not obviously so, but if you peep at the pixels a little closer it becomes more obvious. Maybe it can't compare to the low light shots, but there's certain things about the daylight shots that I didn't like, that my D40 never did. However, overall picture, they're great. Those issues are something a photographer might notice, but most run of the mill people wont.
That image references looks like utter crap, it's terrible, and yet we have people here saying it is amazing and just as good or better than a high quality DSLR?? Man, MR has really lost it.
But you have to admit, ios7 iconography is just horrible. The whole phone relies on a blurry background for sex appeal. I'm running the beta on a iPhone 4 and the blurry backgrounds aren't supported in many instances like control center and notifications, so you get a black or grey background. Really ugly and utilitarian.
I have a Lumia 920, gave up my 4s for it, and I absolutely love it. Windows Phone 8 is wonderful, and Nokia's hardware is phenomenal. Can't wait to see this new camera in action - the one on my phone is miles ahead of anything else I've seen on a phone.
also: http://www.wpcentral.com/photo-samples-nokia-lumia-1020-s-41-megapixel-camera
also: http://www.wpcentral.com/photo-samples-nokia-lumia-1020-s-41-megapixel-camera
I'm still wondering about this. The leaked video from months back showed a motorized lens. And there's a 3x zoom spec floating around. People are attributing it to the lossless digital zoom max but that makes no sense because lossless digital zoom depends on the final size of the image. IE a 5 mp image should be lossless for 7x, an 8 mp should be lossless for 4x, etc
You're kidding saying that 920 outperforms 808. It can't even outperform N8.
OIS is just a slight improvement for giving better low-light performance than standard 8MP phone cameras but not a significant improvement which could beat N808 or N8 big sensors.
Maybe OIS can give some breath to L1020 and its smaller sensor compared to N808. But this is only a feature in low light situation. N808's bigger pixels still have better ISO performance so at best you could say they perform the same in low light.
In bight days, no chance for L1020 performing better than 808 in terms of sharpness and dynamic range.
What counts is the image-level IQ, and the higher-density sensor will never be worse than a lower density sensor in any metric, including resolving ability, diffraction, noise, etc.. It may be that a higher density sensor wont show improvement due to these factors (in certain situations) but again it'll never be worse, and so the higher density sensor yields more options for situations which can utilize the extra density but without any IQ downside in situations where it can't.
Yes. My 2006 Pentax K100D with a 16-40/4 would easily outperform Nokia 808 or Lumia 1020. The problem is it's big.
My 2008 Panasonic LX3 has a 1/1.65" sensor, so it's a bit smaller than L1020 sensor. However, LX3 pixels are way bigger than L1020 so it gives better low light performance and dynamic range. Also, it has an optical zoom and better optics. The problem is it's slightly bigger than L1020 and can't make calls or share on Facebook.
I would love an all-in-one solution and currently the best device which can take good pictures while reading e-mails, can do social networking on Twitter and Facebook, browse the internet, etc is Nokia 808. I was hoping Lumia 1020 would be a step further. Maybe we'll have something really new at the next gen.
Wow....
and double wow on me for being surprised for something coming from Nokia.....really, 41 MP and no noise in a smartphone camara?.....Canon, Fuji and Olympus maybe are not so happy....but still, that ups the ante to any other smartphone coming, at least in terms of photo/cameras....
and double wow on me for being surprised for something coming from Nokia.....really, 41 MP and no noise in a smartphone camara?.....Canon, Fuji and Olympus maybe are not so happy....but still, that ups the ante to any other smartphone coming, at least in terms of photo/cameras....