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Microsoft Targets iTunes Prices in New Zune Pass Commercial
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The technical specificications are current from Apple themselves, not three months ago. Now. Perhaps Apple should not be fraudulently advertising their products?
Music subscriptions....phhffff, what companies have been successful running that model... Napster anyone...
I for one would love to see a "MS innovation." Is that like a unicorn or a leprechaun?
Then a subscription service isn't for you.
You can't use any iPod as an external disk, either, ie. iPod touch. The iPod shuffle might be in the same category too.
Shame on Microsoft. These ads are basically an insult to the intelligence, or lack thereof, of their userbase. I see these ads and just laugh at how dumb they are and how anybody could actually fall for them. As for me, I would rather own my music than rent it, but to each his own.
If you'd read the thread properly, and not just jumped in at the first post you fancied replying to, you'd have noticed I posted the following on page 7 ...
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One 14 track CD album, ripped at 192kps, comes in at a rough size of 56mb.
One chart CD album, bought from Tesco here in the UK, costs £8.99. Older albums, especially by the likes of Metallica cost more in the UK. Back catalogue does, but I won't consider that in this.
1000mb divided by one album @ 56mb = 17 albums.
17 albums @ £8.99 = £152.83.
1GB = 17 albums = £152.83
120GB = 2040 albums = £18,339.60 which is almost the exact amount quoted in the Microsoft advert ($30,000 or £20,000).
So really, the argument could also be "choose to fill your iPod with songs bought from HMV or any online retailer, and it could cost you $30,000 (£20,000).
Microsoft's argument is null and void, because you have to spend somewhere to fill any digital media device and the $14.99 subscription needs to be continually paid otherwise every song downloaded fails to play except the 10 you get to choose to keep per month, equivalent to just one very small album.
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And, with your comment you've just proved my point, which is that no matter how you choose to fill your iPod it will cost an obscene amount of money. The only difference is that people already have a CD collection built up over years and years old listening to music. I imported albums into my iTunes library that I bought when the Sony MiniDisc launched and was touted as the next big thing. So yes, CD's aren't free ... well done on pointing that out. But they are "free" to import into iTunes when you've bought and owned them for years.
I'm sorry but there is no stealing going on. It's upto the seller to decide how he wants to price their products and upto the buyer to decide if it's worth it.
So what if you or your friend have spent so much more on music. Every time I go shopping and see a bargain I don't say "oh wow, this is so cheap, this is immoral and stealing!", or I don't accuse anyone who got a better deal than me by saying they're stealing.
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So the ad may be somewhat true due to price, but it can be the same for ANY music player.
According to iTunes, I have 3751 songs. This takes 23.7GB of space. Do the math for a 160GB iPod filled with similiar sized songs and that would be 25323 songs. I would be STOKED to legally fill a 160GB iPod. Lucky for me I get many songs for less than $1 a piece. Half.com FTW!! Some much more due to being out of print. (Most I paid was $60 for a CD) I will always buy the CD version if possible.
According to iTunes, I have 3751 songs. This takes 23.7GB of space. Do the math for a 160GB iPod filled with similiar sized songs and that would be 25323 songs. I would be STOKED to legally fill a 160GB iPod. Lucky for me I get many songs for less than $1 a piece. Half.com FTW!! Some much more due to being out of print. (Most I paid was $60 for a CD) I will always buy the CD version if possible.
What blatant lies are in the the Mac ads?
Apple is advertising the amount of 128kbs songs that you can fit on an iPod in their technical specs. There is nothing wrong with that. You can still rip songs to 128kbs and fit the advertise number on an iPod.
Microsoft is saying that it would cost you $30,000 to fill at 120GB from iTunes. Microsoft's number is based on it costing $.99 for 128kbs tracks from iTunes. iTunes only sells 256kbs tracks. And you can buy them for cheaper than $.99 if you buy albums.
Why would anyone be okay with this and try to justify it? For any company to advertise that their competitors charge double their actual price is ridiculous.
I'd love an iTunes Pass. If I could sync multiple devices to the account (same household - my iPod, my wife's iPod, and a theoretical shuffle in the mix maybe) I'd happily pay $15 a month for unlimited rentals from the iTMS, getting to keep 10 tracks a month on top of that would be a great bonus.
If they added movie rentals, even if they were a limited number a month (up to a reasonable point, like 10-20 per month) I would definitely pay another $10-20 a month for that. TV episode rentals (would have to be unlimited numbers on those) would easily add another $15-20 to what I would pay.
I think Apple could reasonably get away with $50-60 a month if they offered a "full access" type subscription to the iTunes store. It could replace any other music rental service, a Netflix account, and a cable account all in one.
If they added movie rentals, even if they were a limited number a month (up to a reasonable point, like 10-20 per month) I would definitely pay another $10-20 a month for that. TV episode rentals (would have to be unlimited numbers on those) would easily add another $15-20 to what I would pay.
I think Apple could reasonably get away with $50-60 a month if they offered a "full access" type subscription to the iTunes store. It could replace any other music rental service, a Netflix account, and a cable account all in one.
I think iTunes would be great with a subscription pass. Paired with iTunes DJ it could make for some good parties, people on touches and iPhones all requesting songs, and if the user doesn't have the song it downloads it.
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Eeehh... I use my iPod Shuffle as an external disk. Yes: the iPods can be used this way... you can't play the music you have on it on other computers, but as an external sdisk all you have to do is to select the option to use it this way too. That's it.
Eeehh... I use my iPod Shuffle as an external disk. Yes: the iPods can be used this way... you can't play the music you have on it on other computers, but as an external sdisk all you have to do is to select the option to use it this way too. That's it.
hah - well if anyone has compared the Zune to the iPod Classic, or the iPod Touch - i'd think more experience, a solid management program, and a HUGE music store would have to go towards the iPod... not to mention GREAT interfaces
WHY do you guys keep arguing with this guy? If you'd ignore him he'd just burn himself out and go away.. It's one thing for him to express his opinion, but being he just insists on being argumentative and testy just let him go his own way.
Apple ALWAYS has told that the songs capacity they estimate por their iPods is based on an average song time, with the most common compression: 128k... but in fact the music from the iTunes Music Store is ina amuch better quality (256) and with a better compressor (AAC, instead of the mp3 and WMA from Zune). If you fill an iPod with iTunes Musci Store downloads it would be filled with less songs, about 15,000, so you don't pay 30,000.... BUT... who fills his iPod woth iTunes Music Store Downloads??? You buy some music, BUT you use it with many, many sources: your previous music downloads, your own CD collection, your friends borrowed CDs or downloads, etc., etc., etc., so, its absolutly stupid this ad, not to mention that yes, you listen to all you want with the subscription... but you only own 10 songs for $15!!... so you buy a more expensive song with a more poor quality sound... I don;t see the advantage.
Some say the good point is to be able to download for one month all you want, that this way you can find music... I've used the 30 sec. previews from iTunes Music Store since it started and it's work perfect for me to find new music.
And finally: Who owns a Zune to buy music for it??? Everybody uses iPods!
In fact the ones doing a fraudulently ad are Microsoft, 'cause you don't fill a 120 iPod Classic with 30000 songs downloaded from the iTunes Music Store, 'cause that 30,000 songs are a standard estimated with the most common compression: mp3 at 128, but the downloads at the iTunes Music Store are from a much better quality: they're 256 AAC, so you will fill it half, but with double the quality if they were mp3, but as they are AAC they will be quad the quality of a 128 mp3. That's something Microsoft will never tell you... so they're not telling the truth. They will not tell you they're music quality at the Zune Store is not as good, and they will not tell you that in the end to own a song with them has the price of $1.5, instead of the $1 - $1.3 yo pay at the iTunes Music Store.