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Agree, this is one of the main things I hate about Windows, plus it seems like every few days, you need to reboot because another update happened.

I agree.

Instead of fixing their products as quickly as possible, they should hold onto problems. No patches, no matter how severe the vulnerability until patch Tuesday. I'm sure that'd go over for them well.
 
Microsoft to Cut Windows Licensing Price by 70% to Compete with Apple

Wait… but you must have skipped Vista. I've tried Windows 8, and sure it sucks, but no way it's worse than Vista. Vista was the worst OS I have ever used.[COLOR="#[/QUOTE]


I used Vista, it sucked so I went back to XP. I used a dodgy copy of 7 on my last windows machine as it was on last legs and waited to see what 8 was like, hated 8, stuck with 7 to see if it improved, it didn't, windows machine croaked due to a motherboard failure, thus the choice between a new machine running windows 8 or moving to Mac. Funny thing is, my company and the ones that friends of mine work for are not going to upgrade to windows 8 and are either going to stick with Win7 or look at other options, depending on whether Windows 9 will be better.[COLOR="#808080"]

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They might be bringing in a new start menu, not the classic one. Also, that still makes it nowhere near the worst OD ever. Seriously. The fact that you have just used Windows tells me you wouldn't know how bad some other OS's used to be.


I like the fact that you're trying to argue that windows 8 is not as bad as some other OS's, it's like a childish excuse. That's a really dumb and silly argument. I was saying the windows 8 is one of the worst Windows OS's. Windows 8 is definitely one of the worst CURRENT OS anyway.

Oh and additionally, where did I say I had ONLY used Windows? Can you point that out? Nope. You assumed.
 
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I used Vista, it sucked so I went back to XP. I used a dodgy copy of 7 on my last windows machine as it was on last legs and waited to see what 8 was like, hated 8, stuck with 7 to see if it improved, it didn't, windows machine croaked due to a motherboard failure, thus the choice between a new machine running windows 8 or moving to Mac. Funny thing is, my company and the ones that friends of mine work for are not going to upgrade to windows 8 and are either going to stick with Win7 or look at other options, depending on whether Windows 9 will be better.

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I like the fact that you're trying to argue that windows 8 is not as bad as some other OS's, it's like a childish excuse. That's a really dumb and silly argument. I was saying the windows 8 is one of the worst Windows OS's. Windows 8 is definitely the worst CURRENT OS anyway.

I'm not the one who said it is the WORST OS EVER. I'm not the one arguing this on the basis of ONLY USING WINDOWS. So, kindly, get some facts. It also isn't even the worst current OS. There are a thousand current OS's out there. Windows 8 isn't the worst at everything.

I'm sure I could find a Linux OS that's worse than Windows.
 
Exactly.

This has nothing to do with Apple unless Apple has plans to enter the sub-$250 market for laptops/desktops.

This isn't just about laptops and desktops though. Microsoft is also trying to compete in the tablet market. No doubt one of their goals is to encourage the production of small Windows 8.1 tablets that undercut the $299 iPad Mini.
 
I do (regrettably) need to install Windows on my iMac this weekend... does this mean I can get Windows 7 for a lot cheaper (without becoming illegal) if I wait?

Not likely. This is the price that computer manufacturers pay. You might look at buying a cheap PC :mad: Many people work at companies with company wide licenses and can install it for free.
 
I'm not the one who said it is the WORST OS EVER. I'm not the one arguing this on the basis of ONLY USING WINDOWS. So, kindly, get some facts. It also isn't even the worst current OS. There are a thousand current OS's out there. Windows 8 isn't the worst at everything.



I'm sure I could find a Linux OS that's worse than Windows.


You were saying I said that though in your reply to me. That was my point, so you get the FACTS, mate. I was talking about just Windows, as that's the point here, you're trying to justify microsoft by saying 'we'll others are worse' which is a childish argument. If you're going to reply to my post, reply to what I say, not what others have said.

Now on my comment about current OS's, you quoted it before I fixed my intended comment. I meant to say ONE of the worst current OS's.
 
That was a work of satire. It takes 2 clicks to update from 8 to 8.1

1. Go into the App Store
2. Find the 8.1 update
3. Click update

I tried that. It said "30 minutes until the download is finished". An hour later it said "Takes about an hour to install". The next two hours, it counted down to zero then said "Oh, and another hour". It counted down a few minutes, then nothing happened anymore.
 
Apple introduced Lisa and then Macintosh much much earlier than MS introduced Windows 1.0. Apple is the company who introduced to the public this disruptive innovation that reset the market and product category. Microsoft was smart enough to recognize the future after seeing the Apple products, just as Apple did when after seeing a demo at Xerox PARC.

Sure, but it was MS that managed to disrupt the market and not Apple. It doesn't matter who was the first. It matters who was the first to change the structure of the market, and we all know that that was MS.

We could see the same pattern emerging with smart watches. Sure there are plentiful on the market now, but they are hardly creating a dent in the market from a global point of view. It appears that only Apple might be able to change that. Or Samsung if they are able to release a proper version of a smart watch.
 
......Apple has been the top vendor in the PC market, selling more combined tablets, notebooks and desktops than any other manufacturer.

Hmmm, just hmmm. Is this a fair metric?

Is it true? I think it is. Is it fair? There are all these people comparing Windows sales with Mac OS X sales, which is also not fair, because Apple doesn't even _try_ to compete in that market (there's no doubt that Apple selling MacOS X to the general public would easily achieve 20-30 percent market share, probably more, but they have no intention to do so).
 
No disrespect to your otherwise thoughtful post, but the idea that Apple people are not swayed by fashion or fad is hilarious.

I have posted plenty on Apple as a "form over function" oriented company. If I implied in my post they are not swayed by fashion that is my error to be sure.

I have rendered posts on iPhone/iPad, iMacs and the new Mac (mini) Pro about some decisions that appear to be more about form than function.
 
You were saying I said that though in your reply to me. That was my point, so you get the FACTS, mate. I was talking about just Windows, as that's the point here, you're trying to justify microsoft by saying 'we'll others are worse' which is a childish argument. If you're going to reply to my post, reply to what I say, not what others have said.

Now on my comment about current OS's, you quoted it before I fixed my intended comment. I meant to say ONE of the worst current OS's.

Oh, most certainly it could be considered one of the worst if you don't like the move to mobile. But that excludes most OSs these days.
 
Oh, most certainly it could be considered one of the worst if you don't like the move to mobile. But that excludes most OSs these days.

I wouldn't call it the worst OS ever. For it to be considered as much, it'd have to be a buggy, janky mess that barely works. From a purely technical standpoint, Win8 is one of the fastest, lightest, and well put together versions of Windows yet released. It's quicker and uses less ram on average than even OSX.

But it is the most initially confusing, and does require a bit of work to get the most out of it. I've had this conversation a thousand times before, so I won't go into detail concerning its problems, but I'll sum up my issues with it as saying it's not a good Out of the Box OS.

So is it the worst OS ever? No. But it could be a helluva lot better as far as the UI is concerned.
 
Business versus consumer

I've used Windows at work forever and bought my first Mac for home use about 5 years ago. As PCs died at home, I replaced them with Macs so now I'm Windows-free at home. Windows 7/MS Office is great for what we need at work, other than the roughly weekly updates causing me to restart.

Our CIO will not touch Windows 8.1 for our 200 users. We also won't move to Apple given the massive cost of hardware that would need to be purchased. To that end there is room for both companies in selling/distributing their operating systems.

My non-IT professional opinion is that Windows looks like it was designed by and for techies that like to tweak things, without the involvement of "average" non-technical users. OSX just seems simpler in execution, especially in the way apps are installed. But I'm not going to move away from Windows 7/Office for my business needs (I'm in the financial services industry).

Microsoft's problems have been in their largely failed attempts to design consumer-focused technology. IMHO, they just don't seem to have the right people to execute in that space, and they are followers rather then leaders.
 
I wouldn't call it the worst OS ever. For it to be considered as much, it'd have to be a buggy, janky mess that barely works. From a purely technical standpoint, Win8 is one of the fastest, lightest, and well put together versions of Windows yet released. It's quicker and uses less ram on average than even OSX.

But it is the most initially confusing, and does require a bit of work to get the most out of it. I've had this conversation a thousand times before, so I won't go into detail concerning its problems, but I'll sum up my issues with it as saying it's not a good Out of the Box OS.

So is it the worst OS ever? No. But it could be a helluva lot better as far as the UI is concerned.

It's sad that I can only thumbs up this once. Also, it says a lot better what I was trying to say in few words.
 
I like windows 7 but windows 8 on the desktop is a little redundant for 99% of the work I do. Nearly everything is done in the windows 8 desktop.
There is nothing wrong with windows 8 design on the mobile platform but they made a mistake by putting it on the desktop also. They can change this easily with the next windows 8.x by asking the user what "mode" they would like to run in upon installation. Some who like the traditional desktop could opt for that and some who like the new look can opt for that.
Microsoft changed the world we live in, no doubt about it. The problem they have is each business unit is fragmented. Hopefully the new CEO will bring cohesiveness to the company and become one Microsoft with one strategy. Also they should begin to test their hardware and software more robustly.
I use Microsoft because I have to but where I don't I use Apple.
 
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I tried that. It said "30 minutes until the download is finished". An hour later it said "Takes about an hour to install". The next two hours, it counted down to zero then said "Oh, and another hour". It counted down a few minutes, then nothing happened anymore.

Mine downloaded in 20 minutes, and then took maybe 15 minutes to complete the installation process.
 
I'm sure I could find a Linux OS that's worse than Windows.

Ubuntu with the freaking Unity or whatever it's called now interface. Oh my, what have they done?! That is a huge failed attempt at making it "user-friendly". Can't they just accept that Linux is for nerds and leave it alone?
 
Not going to lie - i have a retina mbp - my first mac, and i cannot tell you how sluggish it is and this was right out of the box! my machine is a $3k spec machine but loads windows 8.1 flawlessly....

maybe i got a lemon...? but i bought this laptop to get away from windows only going back to it after OSX's poor performance. i took it to the apple store and they said that sluggishness is expected! i kid you not! the opening desktop animation when you start the machine literally hangs and stutters! and i barely have any software installed on it!

/rant. the hardware is sexy though and it's the best windows 8.1 laptop i own :cool:

That's ridiculous.. It definitely shouldn't perform like that. I'm typing this on a entry-level 13-inch Retina MBP myself.

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Seriously, that's such a BS comment. And I can't believe people up vote it, they must be even more clueless.

You talk like Windows is unusable, but it seems you forget almost the whole world uses Windows, and just think where we would be if there wasn't Windows. Think about all the companies that use a PC and Windows.

Yes, I also like OSX, but it's not even close to perfect and with every big update, there are more and more bugs and Apple happily ruins good working apps by removing functions and restricting it's users.

So wake up, don't just pick a side thinking you're better than the rest and see that both operating systems have their faults.

Just because Windows is being used on most computers doesn't make it better than OS X. All of these companies are simply behind due to legacy apps and hardware cost. But if you look at companies that do video/movie and music production, almost all of them use Macs because of the software available.
 
Sure, but it was MS that managed to disrupt the market and not Apple. It doesn't matter who was the first. It matters who was the first to change the structure of the market, and we all know that that was MS.

Microsoft Windows 1 and 2 did nothing to disrupt the market an any way. Traction for Windows didn't occur until Windows 3 was introduced in 1990. Apple had already defined the windowing product category 7 years earlier and being the #2 computer manufacturer in the early 90's did disrupt the computing market. The structure of the market was already altered, not in iPad or iPhone sales numbers ways, when Microsoft Windows work started paying off for them, and its users.
 
A real Linux nerd would know how to install a desktop environment other than Unity.

Yeah, but it's just extra work then. Maybe they put that there as a test?

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Yes, we should wish for a company to go under and for people to lose their jobs.

Another will replace it, hopefully something again based in the United States.
 
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I think this is great news and shows progress on the part of Microsoft to notice a market trend and to adjust policy and pricing to take advantage of it.

I am not personally a fan of Windows 8, or Vista, but I know that this price drop due to slower adoption of Windows 8 is a smart move. They're still selling the OS, the Cloud Outlook suite, all the X Box stuff, and of course Windows Phone. I'm pretty sure that they'll be fine and this way they can get more companies to manufacture low-end laptops and devices with Windows 8 on it to get even more market share out there. I cannot tell you how many of my family members just buy cheap laptops to have them break and then buy another one within a year; just to repeat the same process over and over "because it's a cheap laptop and it doesn't matter."
 
Uhhh, you mean purely for security reasons, right?

Security and personal preference. Linux got me away from having to run XP but Vista got me away from resorting to Linux.

Now I run Mavericks so I don't have to worry as much about things breaking suddenly without explanation.

Otherwise, that is a really bad idea.

To each their own.

That's like installing an iOS 7 theme in iOS 6.

wait, wut?
 
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