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"Zune" should enter the lexicon as a word meaning "a copycat that claims to overtake the original, but fails and vanishes completely".

In usage:

"Whatever happened to that Windows Tablet?"
"Dude. They got Zuned."

I concur. If words such as bromance and frenemy (both made popular by tabloids and gossip blogs) can enter the Oxford English Dictionary, I can't see why not Zune, as defined by you.
 
OK, sorry, I misunderstood you. Is there any need for that tone. No.

Where's your clarification then because I didn't see it.

Please point out my troll in my rely, for your convinence, I've pasted in below:
"Anyone who disagrees with you is a troll? That is baiting yourself.

Microsoft bought the computer to the masses. Apple didn't create the market, in fact, people flocked to alternative 8 / 16bit home computers, and later window PCs. Apple computers were too expensive for the average joe and no one really cared about Apple until recently. OSX was certainly a turning point.

Sure Apple created some markets, but to say " In just about all the markets Microsoft is in, the market was created by Apple" is pure fanboyism.

The Anti-virus software market is doing very well, without Apple's intervention.... ;-)"\


It was the "edit" on my original post. What you said matched my edit, hence the troll remark.
 
Right now there is NO way to upload a file from my work computer to my iPad and edit that file. Simply not possible.

It's clunky, but you can e-mail the file to yourself and then work on it with Pages or another mobile office suite. Or you could send it to Google Docs and work on it there.
 
It's clunky, but you can e-mail the file to yourself and then work on it with Pages or another mobile office suite. Or you could send it to Google Docs and work on it there.

Yeah, lots of clunky ways to transfer documents wirelessly back and forth. They still suck. iWork.com is a joke that Apple really needs to correct if iWork doesn't want to join Apple/Clarusworks.
 
The same way you could do it on an Apple Multi-touch Trackpad.

The problem is it doesn't work the same. How do you distinguish between a "Mouse over" and a "click"? Computers that use a mouse and keyboard often use the two. I know many flash-based sites do. You would have to redesign much to fix that small yet problematic issue.
 
re: iWork vs. Office

While it's true that iWork doesn't really compare to Office, I don't see why that's even relevant on a tablet device? The biggest reason why people say Office is superior on a desktop or notebook is the WIDE feature-set it offers. That very same thing HAS to be trimmed down to make it work well on a tablet-based machine.

Apple has long thrived on a "less is more" mentality. If it's not absolutely necessary, remove it. Microsoft has long believed the exact opposite ... that if you can throw both the kitchen and bathroom sink in a given product, go for it.

On a tablet, the last thing you want are long, multiple-level deep menus and sub-menus.... Surely, Microsoft would re-work a tablet version of Office to rely heavily on their "ribbon bar" concept, making it take up the top 1/4th. of the screen or so. Better than the massive pull-down menus of, say, Office 2003, but still too much to stumble through if they don't really trim back the features.

iWork made for an easier transition since the original product wasn't trying to do nearly as much.

iWork does not compare to Microsoft Office.

But, I'm not sure how usable Microsoft Office would be on a slate device. I had a slate tablet a few years ago from Motion Computing (although it was not touch-screen based). Productivity apps were not exactly productive in that form-factor.

At the same time, I don't find productivity apps on the iPad all that usable either.

I'd be more curious at the battery life, from my experience, Windows 7 is not friend of battery power unless you turn off Aero.
 
At my last large face to face meeting with a deal team of about twenty people, three of us had iPads. Two of us were carrying them instead of a laptop, I was also carrying my Dell. These are executives that only have to read and respond to email. They don't have to create documents, at least not while traveling. The iPad doesn't have to be that much more powerful to be a very strong email machine. Many people don't need much more than that. MS know it needs to do something here. Its only hope is the interaction with Office as Word and Excel documents are still mainly how business gets done in this country.
 
I'm glad HP dumped windows OS for there next tablet. WebOS should be the closest to any competition to the iPad. Rim will suck with their version. The android tablets need allot of refining. Not sure why Microsoft doesn't use there mobile version on a tablet. Hope they at least put a dual core in their tablet. My iPad is not bad but since the update, been slower. A couple years from now these tablets will be refined enough that the computer as we know it will begin to fade away. As was posted earlier, competition is good. Helps keep the prices down. Hope Microsoft can get it a little right this time. Not that I want one. Waiting on HP.
 
the whole windows **** is doomed. all they do is copy apple and make their product event worse.
:apple:

Everyone copies each other in the IT market. It would be stupid not too look at someone elses products and think we can implement something like that and maybe make it better. Its why competition is great.
 
MS if poorly mistaken if they think everyone in the world (still) runs or needs MS Office. Yes, Office is still very mainstream in the business (because businesses buy the whole suite for all employees at an incredible discount) world but it does NOT mean that everyone in the business world uses it (or even most of it) all day long. Adobe PDF is just as big (if not larger) than Word for actual reading of documents.

The business world is (and has for 5+ years) doing more and more thin apps...stuff powered by app servers and dished up via browsers.

If all MS does is concentrate on MS Office-focused features, their tablet(s) will fail miserably.

hm, at my work we use MS Office for all texts, Powerpoint for all data presentation, Excel for 80% of data analysis. We spend about 40-75% of our time at the desk. We use MS Office about 80-90% of the time while on our desks. That means we use MS Office products about 4hrs per workday. I know a bunch of companies that are like mine in this regard.

from my viewpoint office is and will be the standard for the next 5-10years for sure. it is also an incredible "open" system. regardles what files are sent to me i usually can open them all, extact info and data and assemble a presentation or word document from them.
the iPad can't do any of this right now because it's too locked down.
 
"Productivity-focused" = a euphemism for "we're totally out of ideas to make this thing exciting so let's just market it to "business users" and hope people take the bait.

Watch Steve lolmer at CES play it up to the "business" crowd. It's gonna happen, and that'll be its death-knell. Then we'll get to sit through another re-launch next year.

When is MS going to do a CEO re-launch? That might be a much better idea.
 
Finally a proper tablet with a proper OS where I can install and run applications and not just "apps", and access the file system as I want it.

MBP for work, Windows Slate for travel, media library and ebooks, iPhone for smartphone.
 
Finally a proper tablet with a proper OS where I can install and run applications and not just "apps", and access the file system as I want it.

MBP for work, Windows Slate for travel, media library and ebooks, iPhone for smartphone.

If that's what you want, I suggest an android tablet. There is no difference between an "app" and an "application". The words are the same, it's just usage. Android and iOS apps are just about as capable as any windows app, with the difference being they're running on a platform designed for a mobile device. Windows is not.
 
"Productivity-focused" = a euphemism for "we're totally out of ideas to make this thing exciting so let's just market it to "business users" and hope people take the bait.

Watch Steve lolmer at CES play it up to the "business" crowd. It's gonna happen, and that'll be its death-knell. Then we'll get to sit through another re-launch next year.

When is MS going to do a CEO re-launch? That might be a much better idea.

"Introducing Steve Ballmer 2.0! He's faster, more productive, and goes nuts on stage at TWICE THE SPEED! Price is so low because he practically makes you LOSE money!!! Buy now!"
 
Finally a proper tablet with a proper OS where I can install and run applications and not just "apps", and access the file system as I want it.

MBP for work, Windows Slate for travel, media library and ebooks, iPhone for smartphone.

Thats what I want in a tablet too. If they put some good hardware in them we are onto a winner for me.
 
It'll most likely a tablet just running Windows 7 that's not even really fully optimized to run on a tablet device.

It'll be a failure of epic proportions.
 
Let's be clear: what a lot of us want is the Ipad to be an MBP. I love my MBP and my Ipad. I wish my Ipad WAS a tablet MBP. One day it might be. Then, the computing world would be turned on its edge again.

Until then, the posing by MS is just that.

And until then I will be able to MOST of my social and Business on my Ipad, with the MBP in reserve.

There will be NOTHING new or Earthshaking in this MS BS
 
If that's what you want, I suggest an android tablet. There is no difference between an "app" and an "application". The words are the same, it's just usage. Android and iOS apps are just about as capable as any windows app, with the difference being they're running on a platform designed for a mobile device. Windows is not.

Not true. I cant install Adobe Flash IDE (not the Flash Player but that's a factor too), which I use to prototype my application development. Most of the time when I travel I feel inspired to actually do some work, so tablet wouldn't cut it in that case.
 
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