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Microsoft to Release Office for Mac 2011 in Late October
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Will all versions support VBA? Or will they artificially limit it like they did with AppleScript on the current version?
Same here except that it was office 2008 that sent me over to office 2010. Hopefully 2011 will be up with 010 and nothing like 08.
No, I briefly remember some news that Apple is moving away from that naming pattern. I agree with your logic, but that might not happen.
You should probably get help for that.
Seriously.
They're just icons. Not every icon in the world has to look like an Apple 'My First Icon' picture.
I hope that Office for Mac 2011 doesn't come with all the standard bloatware that M$ is famous for. Only Adobe is worse at installing piles of useless crap that I'll never use.
Like what? Every Adobe suite I've installed gives you the option to check on or off each little thing you want to install or not install.
The industry standard, unfortunately, happens to be crap, that has become totally entrenched thanks to MS' universal licensing of Windows racket. No wonder they've become the laughingstock of the tech world. With the cash coming in from Windows sales (which virtually guarantees Office sales) with nearly every PC, why bother to even make an effort?
Unfortunately, my employer still runs Exchange 2003 and has no plans to upgrade. Still stuck with Entourage here. Blech.
I've been using the beta and the equation edition seems built into Word. You ask it to insert an equation and the editor pops up as a new tab on the ribbon. You can copy and paste the equation from within Word into Pages and have it display as an image. Same as before, just without the need for another program.
I love how everyone bashing the Apple apps doesn't give specifics and only says things like "it's a toy."
The only app that is behind is Numbers. Excel for Mac vs Excel for Windows doesn't favor Excel for Mac either if you want to get technical.
So with Numbers behind that leaves Keynote being far and away better (eg: you don't have to worry about your presentation exploding if you don't test it on the presentation computer first). Pages is also better when it comes to useful features as well as layout (Word can also throw a fit between versions but not as bad as Powerpoint). Mail works with Exchange 2007 well enough.
Therefore, might I suggest you be slightly more specific with your egotistical rant unless you think the real world uses Excel 24/7.
Its not that iWork is much worse its that if you work in a Corporate environment then you NEED Office. You cannot rely on anything else.
When people send me a Word Document with embedded comments and Custom File Properties that are vital to the document being used in a real Records Management System I would not go near iWork.
I was also curious on what Entourage offered that the collection of Apple apps didn't (Mail, Address Book, Calendar, etc.). So, basically, are you saying ActiveSync is the big motivator to move over to using Entourage (or Outlook in the next revision)? If that's the case, then, well, lemme ask a followup question.
Everything you listed up there, that ActiveSync can do (sync contacts, mail, notes, calendar and todo items to mobile device), it appears to me that as a mobileme user, I can currently do (minus todo list, grrrrr) for my iPad, iPod touch, laptops, and if I had an iPhone, that too (I use iSync with an old bluetooth Nokia phone to keep it sync'ed). What can ActiveSync provide that mobileme cannot, besides a wider range of hardware - yeah, I know mobileme is mostly locked down to Apple hardware. Any other reason, or am I, as a Mac fanboi, not a target demographic for Entourage/Outlook + ActiveSync?
Or, was there another prime reason to move over to Entourage/Outlook? I feel the current Apple apps play nicely enough together to where I don't personally see a big benefit in moving over to a monolithic app just because, but perhaps there's something else I'm not seeing that I'm missing out on?
Thanks,
Dwight
2010 on Windows is nicer than the Beta release of 2011 for Mac I have been running. Outlook 2011 still looks very much like Entourage (or Office XP/2003 for Windows Users). The Ribbon UI is a half assed ugly version of the 2007 Windows release.
You must be joking. iWork makes it a lot easier to get professional finished documents done a lot faster. A lot of business are using openoffice. Office sucks because it does not play well with anyone else. iWork doesn't care, so it's hard to use in an MS Office environment. OpenOffice does ok as long as you don't have any fancy settings or options or formatting, (in which in practice means many documents will not translate well.)
As far as your excel files opening correctly, well as long as you only do business with MS "Fanboys" you should be fine then. Oh wait, no, they also have to be using the same version as you also. Oh wait, the mac version and windows version have different options so you need to use the same OS too.
Of course, they do give the option to run the compatibly report before you save each file to make sure it'll work on other version of office, but if your doing all that why not just save it in open exchangeable format?
"I hope this will finally replace my copy of Office for Mac 2004."
Your still using the PPC only version that has serious compatibility issues with Office 2007 and think that adds to your credibility?
Look, I'm not trying to say Office:Mac is good or that it sucks. Office for Mac is great if your trying to work in a MS only cultured company. If you like one product and want to tell people about how wonderful it is, and how it has these great features you think are revolutionary, well that is cool. If you don't like some application and want to share with others in your group what grips you have, well that is also fine. But to write off other suites, and then spread lies and FUD about them because your afraid of change and innovation is just stupid.
OpenOffice doesn't really push people to update their "who uses this" page, but here is a list of a few companies and organizations that use OO. I know the couple companies I've worked with that used it are not on it.
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Major_OpenOffice.org_Deployments
1.) Most people in this thread seem to disagree with you. Office is a powerful Office suite. From mainstream ones, it is in fact the most capable.
2.) One reason, why MS has these pricing issues is because of the differences in the products. A basic home user has different priorities than a corporate power-user. With iWork, you won't find any in the latter market. You might have a cute pony, but don't race it!
3.) I'm not sure who became the laughing stock of what...
4.) Here, we are discussing the Office for Mac. Whatever you claim about the Windows and Office link is best defeated by the fact that there is a Microsoft Office Suite for Mac.
It's still Entourage, just with a different name and slightly skinned to look like Outlook.
I see no reason to upgrade
I use Office:Mac 2008 and am quite happy with it - admittedly Entourage could be better, it isn't quite the same as using Outlook in Windows - but overall, I am satisfied.
Are there any compelling reasons to upgrade though? Any under-the-hood changes, runs better, improved tools, or anything like that? Is Outlook going to be like real Outlook?
I use Office:Mac 2008 and am quite happy with it - admittedly Entourage could be better, it isn't quite the same as using Outlook in Windows - but overall, I am satisfied.
Are there any compelling reasons to upgrade though? Any under-the-hood changes, runs better, improved tools, or anything like that? Is Outlook going to be like real Outlook?
You're still better off with Windows 7 and Office 2007, whether it's via bootcamp or virtual machine.
For me it's faster and more productive to start VMWare Fusion and the appropriate Office app for Windows, than starting the equivalent Office:Mac app.
Office for Mac has been available for years, this is just the normal update that Microsoft does every few years.
kernkraft said:
For iLife, technically while Apple uses '09 in it's promotional material (like on their website), the box itself hasn't said '09 on it in quite a while - Apple now simply sells it as 'iLife'. As for iWork, it's kind of a void point when Microsoft sells Office as 'Microsoft Office 2010' or 'Microsoft Office for Mac 2011'; they only update these every three years or so. Complain about Microsoft naming their program suites after a year as well if you're going to go the whole 'annual refresh' route.