Ribbon Interface looks awesome
Really? I heard Pages can't handle citations well and Numbers is pretty basic. Though Keynote is supposed to be epic
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Microsoft to Release Office for Mac 2011 in Late October
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Ribbon Interface looks awesome
Really? I heard Pages can't handle citations well and Numbers is pretty basic. Though Keynote is supposed to be epic
I agree with most of what you said, so I've just quoted what I disagree with. Because over 90% of computers run window and most of them run office, people expect you to run office. Being on a mac doesn't change this expectation.
Yeah, and actually, Word for Windows came out in 1989 and the Mac version of Word came out in 1984.
So that makes his discovery of Word for Mac this year just a bit funnier.
Which is why it would be great if everyone could unify around an open standard for documents (and spreadsheets, etc.). These applications could then compete strictly based on price, features and user experience, instead of who can write to MS's proprietary standard the best. Of course no one but Microsoft can do it reliably -- and you can be sure they will change it just enough over time to keep it that way. Since MS Office has critical mass by userbase, no one has been able to successfully manage a migration to anything else, and any attempts to do so have been cut down by subterfuge (cough*ODF*cough).
I will pull my head from the clouds now.
If I see another transition or effect i'll SCREAM. They stopped being cool June 1997.
Ditto. but I wonder if you purchased the Mac 2008 through the program right now if you/we could be eligible for the free upgrade when 2011 is released.
Can you import/export .PST archives between Windows and OS X?
No.
Outlook 2003/2007/2010: You can archive to .pst and open .pst files. Archiving in this context would be synonymous with "exporting". However, unlike "importing", with Outlook for Windows you can simply open a .pst file and it's merely a dynamic reference to the file - nothing gets copied.
Outlook 2011: You can only import .pst files. No exporting. Also, when importing, all messages from the archived .pst file are copied.
That's one of the most childish and idiotic statements that I have ever read..
Oh wait, no you don't. I have never had a single problem of anyone opening a Office 2004 file on a PC. And I have office 2007 on my PC if I have to read a file in a 2007 only format.
Do you even know how childish, stupid, and uninformed that statement is? And if you don't know, then you really have serious problems.
Has anyone here actually used iWork and Office? Properly?
I use both MS office (Windows) and iWork (since it started) at work.
Firstly (aside from numbers/excel) they work great together, Word and Pages from my experience are 90% compatible and the remaining 10% of issues are fixed with 5 minutes of tweaking.
If you keep Keynote boring it works great with Powerpoint, but in reality Keynote blows Powerpoint way out of the water. Everyone in my office is amazed at what I've done in Keynote really quickly, and we even pulled a dozen PPTs into it to run a full days AGM from one keynote presentation with embedded video, no hiccups.
Word has grown to add loads of features, but with little control and is a slow process if you do anything other than type. If you need any kind of graphics or any sense of design in you document then Pages is the way forward.
Excel, however, is still the industry leading in spreadsheets. Numbers is fun for a school soccer team (especially on an iPad!), but not for serious number crunching.
Outlook/Mail is an interesting debate, personally I hate Outlook and think it's a slow, bloated and cluttered, even more so since 2010.
But i'd love to know what on earth people are doing with their email that Mail can't hack it?
In my office I see people with all sorts of folders and rules in Outlook (which you could do with Mail), but mainly to store and find things because the search is rubbish. I just use Spotlight in Mail which is instant, and don't need folders.
I see why people need Office, but to be honest it's much about market share than whether it's really the best tool.
I use both MS office (Windows) and iWork (since it started) at work.
Firstly (aside from numbers/excel) they work great together, Word and Pages from my experience are 90% compatible and the remaining 10% of issues are fixed with 5 minutes of tweaking.
If you keep Keynote boring it works great with Powerpoint, but in reality Keynote blows Powerpoint way out of the water. Everyone in my office is amazed at what I've done in Keynote really quickly, and we even pulled a dozen PPTs into it to run a full days AGM from one keynote presentation with embedded video, no hiccups.
Word has grown to add loads of features, but with little control and is a slow process if you do anything other than type. If you need any kind of graphics or any sense of design in you document then Pages is the way forward.
Excel, however, is still the industry leading in spreadsheets. Numbers is fun for a school soccer team (especially on an iPad!), but not for serious number crunching.
Outlook/Mail is an interesting debate, personally I hate Outlook and think it's a slow, bloated and cluttered, even more so since 2010.
But i'd love to know what on earth people are doing with their email that Mail can't hack it?
In my office I see people with all sorts of folders and rules in Outlook (which you could do with Mail), but mainly to store and find things because the search is rubbish. I just use Spotlight in Mail which is instant, and don't need folders.
I see why people need Office, but to be honest it's much about market share than whether it's really the best tool.
Actually, it is estimate to be closer to 85% of desktops run some version of windows.
No. It's a standalone and the Project Server is quite nice but still underpowered for large projects. Project has come a long way with the new version however. It's no Primavera, but I suspect it will solidify it's place among small contractors who can't afford P6 v7.
Outlook far too expensive
With 5 Macs, Outlook will be just too expensive for me. It is ridiculous not putting a mail program in the home edition. If Entourage was more stable, I would be happy to stay with it but like many folks, I find on Intel machines, it crashes about once a day (...and yes I have done the fonts thing and rebuilt databases). Apple Mail is not really a business product. Thunderbird was not bad when it came out in 2003 but has not moved on. Any other suggestions for an Outlook alternative?
Wilson
With 5 Macs, Outlook will be just too expensive for me. It is ridiculous not putting a mail program in the home edition. If Entourage was more stable, I would be happy to stay with it but like many folks, I find on Intel machines, it crashes about once a day (...and yes I have done the fonts thing and rebuilt databases). Apple Mail is not really a business product. Thunderbird was not bad when it came out in 2003 but has not moved on. Any other suggestions for an Outlook alternative?
Wilson
Well, Eudora lets me change the subject of a received email.
I find this to be very useful as I receive lots of business-oriented emails with the wrong (unrelated to the message content) subject as too many people hit reply on some old message.
Sad but true.
Given my experience with the previous eight version upgrades to "MS Office, I have little hope that this version will fix many problems, nor add much in the way of practical improvements. However, I do expect new sources of incompatibility, and significant but unproductive changes in the UI. But, I hope I'm wrong.
So am I wrong to feel slightly steamed? I bought Office for Mac 2008 not long after it was out - March 25th, 2009. So why is it that my version is not good enough to qualify for the upgrade pricing, but some ****** who decides to purchase it shortly before the release of Office for Mac 2011 get a break on it?
Unfortunately that's just how things are done. You're not wrong at all. Loyalty really does seem to mean nothing. But it's not like MS is alone in having this sort of Upgrade pricing. Apple does the exact same thing.
Because you will have had Office 2008 for a year and a half? That seems quite a long time to have a product and expect a free upgrade.
I think he means that Software manufacturers don't "reward" loyalty (i.e., buying something right when it comes out).
Yes. This is an upgrade 19 months after you bought something. That's a long time. Eventually you have to pay if you want to stay current with software.
Alright your not even trying to have a conversation anymore...
The first sentence your quoting is obviously a tongue and check play against your calling anyone who likes anything other then your ideals a fanboy.
If you've never had a problem with a file made for one version of office not opening on a different version then you haven't dealt with many files. Even Office for windows 2003 and 2007 have compatibility issues. Microsoft makes the "Office 2007 Compatibility Pack" for helping ease them. Look at google for more info;
http://www.google.com/search?num=30...microsoft+office+2007+compatibility+&gs_rfai=
At the place I'm at now is an all Windows2003 environment. All the documentation was originally written in Word 2003 and every time one of has to update a SOP we have to first load the doc up run the compatibility check and update the file 2007 format.
How on earth do you justify saying that different suites having different strengths is "childish, stupid, and uninformed?"
BTW, do you even know how stupid, and uninformed it is to advertise your breaking copyright law, civil contracts, and the DMCA in your signature? And if you don't know, then you really have serious problems.
I very much doubt it. Seeing as the price for Office on the scheme seems to be constant I imagine once 2011 is available it'll cost the same as 2008 does now. As I already have 2008 there's no point buying.
Eudora also has 'redirect' option, can let me have multiple windows open, hit cmd-delete to delete a message and many other cool features that Mail, Thunderbird and other mail clients don't let you do.
