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I think you must just be suffering from 'selective memory' syndrome. Do you remember the Nokia N80? That was the first widespread mobile phone with wifi. What a revelation it was to be able to browse the internet on a pocketable device! And that was 2005/2006, more than a year before we even knew what an iPhone was.

Nokia N91 Announce in 2005 Had 4gb version and 8gb Version(sound familar?) and also had wifi

N90 (2005) 2mp WITH LED FLASH

N80, Sony K790 (2006) 3.15mp camera with LED Flash

N73 (2006) Brought AD2P

N93 (2006) First Phone with 30FPS video recording

Moto RZR (2004) Thinnest phone ever(at the time)
 
He's got a point though, the first iPhone was very basic at launch. The user interface was great but it was really lacking in features and the omission of 3G was unforgivable.

Of course it soon got a lot better with the iPhone 3G and OS2 and has never looked back since. :)

That's true, but the iPhone's claim to fame when it first came out was not about features and tons of apps, Apple brought in the great user experience people were not getting with the usual common smartphone. Tiny buttons, tiny and clunky UI's, small screens, half-baked web surfing, big bulky handsets and a very standard non-intuitive email experience were just the few hinderances of the common smartphone and Apple's iPhone brought in an experience that changed all of that.
Some people purposely try to crap on Apple's products here, they know who they are.....and say stupid stuff like "the iPhone didn't do anything or didn't offer any features when it came out". I'm not including you on that one, you weren't trying to troll. Oh how quickly people's tiny minds forget that it wasn't about features, it was about offering a better user experience and Apple has done that quite well before the invention of the App Store.
 
I know my Blackberry and Palm Treo 650 handled mail very intuitively and easily a few years before I saw an iPhone. But different strokes for different folks.
 
it was about offering a better user experience and Apple has done that quite well before the invention of the App Store.

I can agree with this. This, to me, is the ONLY thing they had over other phone makers(at the time of release.)

What they put into that phone had been around for years before it. As shown in some of my previous post. That is what I have a problem with, people thinking apple invented or pioneered EVERY SINGLE FEATURE in the orginal iphone, when they did not.
 
I know my Blackberry and Palm Treo 650 handled mail very intuitively and easily a few years before I saw an iPhone. But different strokes for different folks.

Where do people think Apple got their PUSH technology or naming from???
 
I can agree with this. This, to me, is the ONLY thing they had over other phone makers(at the time of release.)

What they put into that phone had been around for years before it. As shown in some of my previous post. That is what I have a problem with, people thinking apple invented or pioneered EVERY SINGLE FEATURE in the orginal iphone, when they did not.

Exactly. And that's what I mean by rewriting history. People think smartphones didn't exist or weren't popular before the iPhone. That's simple nonsense. Kinda like Columbus "discovering" America.
 
When I worked at Sprint the Treo was the biggest annoyance when it came to doing virtually anything. Smartphones weren't big back then so people just accepted it the way it was. I remember several times people bringing that phone back for customer service on how to operate it, it was not intuitive, period and let's not go there with the awesome web browsing that it COULDN'T do well. :cool:
 
I've been an avid Apple enthusiast (_not_ fanboy) for a decade. Buying new PowerBooks, then iPods, then MacBook Pros etc. My current crop of "newer" gear consists of an iPhone 4, mid 2010 15" MBP, 2010 MacPro w/27" LED Cinema Display etc. So the only point being to illustrate that I'm a serious mac user.

In recent times (say the last 4 years) when I meet someone new, and they ask me what computer I use and I say Mac, often I'm met with an odd look like the person is silently thinking "oh you're one of those".

Then there's the annoyance of sifting through the juvenile "cool story bro" posts with the stupid adolescent graphic, to get to the posts made by intelligent fellow enthusiasts.

While I don't let it upset me, I can see why it upsets others for that matter. In my case I have a wry sense of humor, I really could care less about the everyday dimwits we encounter and actually find these idiot comments rather amusing if not repetitive.

That said at the end of the day I don't let it influence my purchases. I also happen to think the CEO who was once a bright and innovative guy, let the money go to his head and now is a narcissistic dolt. A dolt that has turned into the best deceptive marketing wiz in this country. No wonder he milks a cash cow.

Glad someone brings this up.

I wish people like LTD would go away and stop making Apple customers look bad. I read the comments here on something like Microsoft Office 2011 and you just get crap like "lulz microturd should stop trying". Or you read threads about VMs/Bootcamp and get stuff like "why wud u ever want to use windoze???". It's getting sad.

And god forbid you even admit to using an Android phone or *gasp* BlackBerry.
 
I see long lines at the Apple store at the Genius Bar for people who don't know how to use their phones. (eta: and full "how to" classes)

It's a misnomer that the iPhone just works. I have an iPhone 4 - and previously a 3GS. It's a great phone. Not knocking it. But there's a learning curve for every device. Anyone trying to say otherwise is perpetuating marketing messages not real data.

I've had several smart phones before the iPhone. I worked for a major phone manufacturer several years back. I was able to use the iPhone with about as much trial and error (read: playing around with things) as any other phone I've owned.

At the end of the day - no one here is fit to judge these phones YET. No one here has actually used one. The vehemency that this new OS "sucks" is funny given that simple fact.
 
Glad someone brings this up.

I wish people like LTD would go away and stop making Apple customers look bad. I read the comments here on something like Microsoft Office 2011 and you just get crap like "lulz microturd should stop trying". Or you read threads about VMs/Bootcamp and get stuff like "why wud u ever want to use windoze???". It's getting sad.

And god forbid you even admit to using an Android phone or *gasp* BlackBerry.

I laugh thinking about how many Microsoft products these folks use without thinking about it. my favorite;

Today the vast majority of ATMs worldwide use a Microsoft OS, primarily Windows XP Professional or Windows XP Embedded. A small number of deployments may still be running older versions such as Windows NT, Windows CE or Windows 2000

Microsoft is everywhere yet they claim it's trivial.
 
In recent times (say the last 4 years) when I meet someone new, and they ask me what computer I use and I say Mac, often I'm met with an odd look like the person is silently thinking "oh you're one of those".

Uh, really? I've been using Macs for many years and unless the flow of the conversation goes into software uses and such, people asking what kind of computer do you use when you first meet isn't a common question whatsoever. Furthermore, it's in your mind that people are saying, "oh your one of those", honestly that makes you sound a bit elitist. This is the same stuff I hate hearing when people say that they think the whole coffee house is staring at them when they take out their iPad. No, it's just you think that because you have uncommon toy and you're secretly wondering if anyone will notice or make a comment. It's the same crap when a kid walks in with brand new sneakers, or a woman walks in with a Louis Vuitton handbag, wondering if anyone is gonna pay any attention or ask them about it.

Just understand, people don't really care like you think they do. In the past couple of years when I tell people that I use a Mac I get a different response than you, I generally get, "Oh I want to get a Mac soon, they are bit expensive, but I've heard they are good". People aren't sneering at me.
 
Uh, really? I've been using Macs for many years and unless the flow of the conversation goes into software uses and such, people asking what kind of computer do you use when you first meet isn't a common question whatsoever. Furthermore, it's in your mind that people are saying, "oh your one of those", honestly that makes you sound a bit elitist. This is the same stuff I hate hearing when people say that they think the whole coffee house is staring at them when they take out their iPad. No, it's just you think that because you have uncommon toy and you're secretly wondering if anyone will notice or make a comment. It's the same crap when a kid walks in with brand new sneakers, or a woman walks in with a Louis Vuitton handbag, wondering if anyone is gonna pay any attention or ask them about it.

Just understand, people don't really care like you think they do. In the past couple of years when I tell people that I use a Mac I get a different response than you, I generally get, "Oh I want to get a Mac soon, they are bit expensive, but I've heard they are good". People aren't sneering at me.

I actually agree with this. Except on message boards. I am all Mac at home - but I also use (and have no issues with) PCs at work (my primary at work is still a MacBook Pro though) - but the second I make the first comment that goes against the Apple enthusiasts - I must be a troll. People like labeling others far too much both in real life - but especially online. It's silly.
 
Im pleased to see that there are quite a lot of apple fans on this site who are sick of the 'cult of mac'.

I have visited the forums less and less due to the extreme fanboys, its hard to have a discussion without being met by massive bias.

"The HTC Desire looks pretty nice"

"HA IT SUCKS AND SO DO YOUR TEETH BRIT"

"i still prefer my iphone i just think it looks nice and is good value on UK contracts"

"you're mom is good value"

This is only just hyperbole.

I have a mac, and an iphone and have for years and prefer them both to their respective equivalents. However WM7 looks really good and i love the xbox live integration. The minimum spec requirements should hopefully avoid the android fragmentation issues too.

So WM7, do i like the look? Aww Yeah! will i get rid of my iPhone for one? Doubt it very much.
 
I actually agree with this. Except on message boards. I am all Mac at home - but I also use (and have no issues with) PCs at work (my primary at work is still a MacBook Pro though) - but the second I make the first comment that goes against the Apple enthusiasts - I must be a troll. People like labeling others far too much both in real life - but especially online. It's silly.

Wow, you agree with me on something? Shocker. Allow me to explain why either myself or others may feel this way. If you offered a balance then I can assure you I wouldn't say anything, however I have seen more offense in your comments for the non-Apple world and more defense towards the Apple world.

Trust me, if anyone knows Apple and it's products aren't anywhere near perfect it's "ME", but you have to offer a balance for a more fair conversation or the "T" word will run through people's minds. ;)
 
Wow, you agree with me on something? Shocker. Allow me to explain why either myself or others may feel this way. If you offered a balance then I can assure you I wouldn't say anything, however I have seen more offense in your comments for the non-Apple world and more defense towards the Apple world.

Trust me, if anyone knows Apple and it's products aren't anywhere near perfect it's "ME", but you have to offer a balance for a more fair conversation or the "T" word will run through people's minds. ;)

But do I? The Apple "offensive" is doing just fine on their own. In fact - I would say they are perpetuating every "typical" enthusiast smart remark and technology bashing. Apple doesn't need my help on perpetuating their messages in this particular thread.

My point of view isn't about bashing Apple. It's about BALANCING the argument and bringing some more objectivity into the discussion.

I don't owe any poster here anything in regards to defending or supporting Apple. Do I? I ask sincerely as I know we don't get along on here.

It IS possible that since you already dislike me - any post I make irks you and immediately "sounds" like I am just being contrary. In truth - I'm not. Again - I am trying to come from a completely objective point of view and presenting more (at least what I believe to be more) factual representation amongst the "hype."

I have many threads and posts praising Apple for what they do (not a requirement for membership here). And I also have many posts that indicate what I think they could improve on and whatnot. I don't live in a world that's black and white like some poster (not you). And just because a company does one thing incredibly well doesn't mean excuse them from other things they don't and vice-versa.

Again. Balance. Objectivity. Something many of the posts here simply lack.

my .02.
 
sounds like you've had really bad luck.

My 2007 imac has 4GB of ram and has beach balls for maybe a second on final cut studio 3 but that's it. don't even know what a DICOM database is. Leopard was not written for PPC, it is just backwards compatible. With that said, My imac g5 has leopard running of it and I use Aperture 2 on it and have not had a beach ball of death. I do see your point with Safari but have never had any problems that I could note. It uses too much RAM but has not been leaking RAM on my system. I still use my Original ipod every day and aside from it being as big as a brick it has never went bad. My 3gs got better battery life than my iphone 4 does and the only part I've ever replaced in a mac in the last 7 years what a power supply in my g5 that went bad after a lighting storm. But even that didn't fry the logic board so you need to go back to PC cause apple don't like you.


Thanx. Your last sentence gave me a laugh. Just to educate you:

DICOM is a documented standard for medical imaging. Using direct digital radiography all the time my work heavily relies on a capable DICOM viewer. And my work is just very limited. DICOM will be used in my personal workspace in the future for ultrasound documentation, which will introduce a major load for the machine as you save "clips" instead of "images". Think of it as real long MRT/CAT-scan data.

OSIRIX is a rock-solid viewer, but it definitely struggles on older machines. And that is really really sad. Think of DICOM like RAW-images from a camera. With compression to any other format (even TIFF, PNG or BMP) a lot of data is lost.
 
Love the picture....

Steve Ballmer doesn't know what's he's supposed to do up there.

"What are theses again?"...
"Can I touch them?"...
"What the **** am I doing up here then??!?"
 
The first part of your commentary isn't far off the course. But the above quoted? Your understanding of market share and demographics are so far off the course it's sad.

Doesn't seem like you understand what you are speaking to either. Your graph shows nothing about trend, and where that share is going or has come from. Not to mention it's month's old data. Surely you could have googled something more recent. Your post is also somewhat contradictory to your own point, as you show a graph to try and tout Microsoft's share dominance, but in the same breath, you speak to customer choice being a good thing.

As I was saying, as of 9/10, Netmarketshare shows Microsoft IE and Windows at record lows within the past several years and suffering from a massive imaging problem. Firefox, Safari, and Chrome have all made huge strides against IE, that started with all of the problems with Windows Vista. Same goes for phones and desktop OS's.

Your graph also says nothing as to why the marketshare is the way that it is. MS virtually gets its market share for free. It forces its partners to push price points while keeping its own margins high. This remains true despite falling PC prices, and the manufacturers (HP, Dell, etc.) don't experience the nice margins that MS experiences. You've already seen these manufacturers response to this in all of these new mobile OS's, where they've locked Microsoft out of the action.

Once trends begin, they are difficult for the losing end to reverse (i.e. Microsoft). The playing field is leveling out, which is a good thing for consumers. As Apple continues to plow the road with their iPhone into new markets, and will continue to grow share. If MS loses even half of one percent of their current share, they take a tremendous financial hit.
 
Doesn't seem like you understand what you are speaking to either. Your graph shows nothing about trend, and where that share is going or has come from. Not to mention it's month's old data. Surely you could have googled something more recent. Your post is also somewhat contradictory to your own point, as you show a graph to try and tout Microsoft's share dominance, but in the same breath, you speak to customer choice being a good thing.

As I was saying, as of 9/10, Netmarketshare shows Microsoft IE and Windows at record lows within the past several years and suffering from a massive imaging problem. Firefox, Safari, and Chrome have all made huge strides against IE, that started with all of the problems with Windows Vista. Same goes for phones and desktop OS's.

Your graph also says nothing as to why the marketshare is the way that it is. MS virtually gets its market share for free. It forces its partners to push price points while keeping its own margins high. This remains true despite falling PC prices, and the manufacturers (HP, Dell, etc.) don't experience the nice margins that MS experiences. You've already seen these manufacturers response to this in all of these new mobile OS's, where they've locked Microsoft out of the action.

Once trends begin, they are difficult for the losing end to reverse (i.e. Microsoft). The playing field is leveling out, which is a good thing for consumers. As Apple continues to plow the road with their iPhone into new markets, and will continue to grow share. If MS loses even half of one percent of their current share, they take a tremendous financial hit.

Im curious how much of this was made up on the spot.
 
Really?

I know this an Apple forum but that does not mean that everyone here is an IDIOT competition is good these phones are on the cutting edge of technology right now the Iphone 4 is plagued with problems the newest one being glassgate so Apple did make a mistake with the atenna now with the glass which will be changed in the next version so lets not all be idiots.
 
I know this an Apple forum but that does not mean that everyone here is an IDIOT competition is good these phones are on the cutting edge of technology right now the Iphone 4 is plagued with problems the newest one being glassgate so Apple did make a mistake with the atenna now with the glass which will be changed in the next version so lets not all be idiots.

This one may win the least intelligible post of the thread award.
 
Initial reactions are funny - all the people on here mocking WP7 remind me of of Steve Ballmer laughing at the iPhone when it was announced.

The desktop OS marketshare and the comfort level the majority of users have with MS could prove to be divisive as smart phone usership grows. Make no mistake - this is going to sell.
 
It's a very bad idea (in this day) to have multiple phones. I worked for Sprint for 7 years and being a salesman was just maddening for me. I got sick of showing customers so many phones and they got confused all the time. Nokia had at least 4 phones of their own, Qualcomm and Samsung had multiple phones, Palm had the Treo with the Palm OS and the Windows mobile OS. Just too much for the customer and many times they would walk out in confusion.

This is very true. This is why when buying a car to get a feature like a sunroof for example, you have to buy a whole package rather than just add in the add-ins you want. Car manufacturers have long realized that if you offer too many choices, it confuses people, makes them want to go home and think about it, and next thign you know, they thought too much about it and found something entirely different (and not your product) to buy. You want them to buy when they are hot to buy the product, not confuse them into wanting to think about it.

Sure, you'll get customers who will think about it and decide, but we're talking general masses who is generally the market most companies are looking for cause that is how they'll get the most sales.
 
Steve Ballmer doesn't know what's he's supposed to do up there.

"What are theses again?"...
"Can I touch them?"...
"What the **** am I doing up here then??!?"

Although you're making up a scenario, to see Steve Jobs flub up in a keynote you can look at the iPhone 4 one when things stop working.
 
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