Not that I don't have answer, just that see it from a different viewpoint and it's one of those agree to disagree things. In the current Windows UI, everything revolves around the webpage kind of look and feel. When I select a file, shortcuts to functions appear, folders can be expressed in pages, it's everywhere, much like the Aqua UI is part of what makes a Mac look as spiffy as it does, it's part of the philosophy of the way Windows behaves. MS leveraged the technology in IE to make that happen.
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Not that I don't have answer, just that see it from a different viewpoint and it's one of those agree to disagree things. In the current Windows UI, everything revolves around the webpage kind of look and feel. When I select a file, shortcuts to functions appear, folders can be expressed in pages, it's everywhere, much like the Aqua UI is part of what makes a Mac look as spiffy as it does, it's part of the philosophy of the way Windows behaves. MS leveraged the technology in IE to make that happen.
Put it on a transparent background and I'll be happy. I hate those damn white boxes...
Back to the original topic...MS is trying to confuse people as to what Unix is and what it's capable of. I really hope to see Apple and Sun fire back with some ads highlighting the...uhhh...shall we say, security "shortcomings" of MS solutions.
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I stand corrected, the article I read the other day talked about the $10 discount thing.
I stand corrected, the article I read the other day talked about the $10 discount thing.
How about standards support? Netscape 6, now that it's more stable and less bulky, is actually a better browser than IE. Problem is that the damage has been done.
Everything in Windows revolves around the webpage metaphor *because* MS built IE into the OS. It's kind of a chicken or egg thing. Speaking of chickens...'Lemon?
well im not real into this now, but you seem to have missed my earlier point.
mac os has some built-in html. like the help menus. however apple has not integrated a web browser into the operating system as ms has done. saying that parts of windows use html and there fore a web browser must be an integrated component is simply wrong so quit trying to make the point.
mac os has some built-in html. like the help menus. however apple has not integrated a web browser into the operating system as ms has done. saying that parts of windows use html and there fore a web browser must be an integrated component is simply wrong so quit trying to make the point.
Didn't miss your point, you're right MS could have choosen to not integrate but instead build another component to handle the in OS HTML stuff. Instead they choose to use a component they had already built and tested to handle the task, saves time, saves money. Seems like a logical choice to me, why build and maintain two HTML renders? Now, with a little hindsite, which we have the luxury of now, it's easy to look back and say with the possible legal consequences, it may not have been the best decision to integrate.
I guess it depends on how you created it.
ImageReady should be able to open it and allow you to go frame be frame and drop out the bg. I'm doing just that right now on a placeholder image I'll use until I can really do something good.
hypocrisy
sorry...i don't have time to get through this whole thread...so i'm just jumping in here...
this really irks me...
microsoft goes after unix...and all things that go with that...but why in the ****! doesn't somebody get out there and point out all of the crap that developers go through while writing for windows? i've got friends who do it...it drives them completely nuts...
it's very clear now...microsoft is back on game for total domination in all things computery...controlling bandwidth...attacking other OS's...buying every small code shop in the land...leveraging billions in R&D just to muscle out any remaining small players in practically EVERY market...manipulating, manipulating, manipulating...
i'm sure everybody knows that microsoft never had any layoffs...in fact!!!!...they are still hiring in a very active fashion...
ugh...
sorry...i don't have time to get through this whole thread...so i'm just jumping in here...
this really irks me...
microsoft goes after unix...and all things that go with that...but why in the ****! doesn't somebody get out there and point out all of the crap that developers go through while writing for windows? i've got friends who do it...it drives them completely nuts...
it's very clear now...microsoft is back on game for total domination in all things computery...controlling bandwidth...attacking other OS's...buying every small code shop in the land...leveraging billions in R&D just to muscle out any remaining small players in practically EVERY market...manipulating, manipulating, manipulating...
i'm sure everybody knows that microsoft never had any layoffs...in fact!!!!...they are still hiring in a very active fashion...
ugh...
o i didnt create it. i downloaded it from a animated gif archive. i opened it with image ready but cant seem to save (save as or export) to .gif format. any ideas? do i save as .html with images and just use the image file created since that should be a .gif?
[edit ahhhh! the avatar's all on crack now or something... now this is why i wasnt going to do the whole avatar thing, its just craziness!]
Well I can see that you tried...but your Chilemon looks like it dropped acid!
ImageReady has a "Save Optimized" command in the File menu. When the save dialog box opens choose Images only.
It's odd that it won't let you save as gif. How did you make the changes just now?
well what i ended up doing is opening in image ready 7.0 used the magic wand tool to select the white background and then deleted it form each layer. then i went to save optimized and choose images only which saved it as a .gif that you see now. not sure why its all on acid and what not.
Ha, that's great. Seems like the frames are a little out of order too.
See if you can set the transparency to the first pixel. That might do it.
See if you can set the transparency to the first pixel. That might do it.
Yeah...animated gifs with transparent bgs are tough to make. I made the atom from scratch, more or less, and moved the electrons along their paths by hand, frame by frame...the tricky part was actually optimizing it such that it doesn't look like crap.
I rendered it in Lightwave, created much larger version, shrunk it for this test. I'll redo it when I have to, I'm not going to getting an avatar anytime soon. You can see the original on my homepage
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(1) This tactic is typical Microsoft. We know that this is a big ol' lie, but we're geeks. Advertising like this is aimed at the nontechnical Harvard Business School idiots who make decisions about "directions" and "broad policy initiatives" and such. It's FUD for the nontechnical people who ARE intimidated by the scraggly UNIX geeks and their incomprehensible command line incantations. They want aggressive management types walking into strategy meetings saying things like, "I'm afraid we might be boxing ourselves into a very complex and expensive set of solutions." The geeks (if there are even any in that sort of meeting) won't be able to explain why not without using big words that the other HBS idiots in the room don't understand. It's a clever approach, and absolutely evil.
(2) The real irony here is the Orwellian twist. More options make things complicated. Complication requires expertise. Expertise is expensive. Expensive, complicated things make you feel boxed in. Therefore, options are restrictive (and war is peace, and freedom is slavery). Uncle Bill loves you. Uncle Bill frees you from the confinement of complex options and liberates you to do exactly what Uncle Bill thinks you ought to be able to do, in exactly the way Uncle Bill expects you to be doing it. It's bliss, really it is.
(3) The only way to fight this is for geeks to band together and come up with a way to explain this to dolts in corner offices in terms that doesn't involve geeky technical explanations. The Balkanization of UNIX over the years means there's really no single strong entity who can speak for UNIX and pay to mount a big ad campaign to combat Microsoft's latest line of crap. It can only be a grassroots effort. Microsoft is counting on the clueful people to show no interest in coming out of their darkened cubicles to influence mindshare.
(4) Try 'billg@microsoft.com' instead.
(2) The real irony here is the Orwellian twist. More options make things complicated. Complication requires expertise. Expertise is expensive. Expensive, complicated things make you feel boxed in. Therefore, options are restrictive (and war is peace, and freedom is slavery). Uncle Bill loves you. Uncle Bill frees you from the confinement of complex options and liberates you to do exactly what Uncle Bill thinks you ought to be able to do, in exactly the way Uncle Bill expects you to be doing it. It's bliss, really it is.
(3) The only way to fight this is for geeks to band together and come up with a way to explain this to dolts in corner offices in terms that doesn't involve geeky technical explanations. The Balkanization of UNIX over the years means there's really no single strong entity who can speak for UNIX and pay to mount a big ad campaign to combat Microsoft's latest line of crap. It can only be a grassroots effort. Microsoft is counting on the clueful people to show no interest in coming out of their darkened cubicles to influence mindshare.
(4) Try 'billg@microsoft.com' instead.
an unflexible system? can we say proprietary WINDOWS? hello. It's easy as hell to make a AIX work with an IRIX with a Solaris with a Linux with a MAX OS X box.
You have to be a genius to make Windows work with any of those.
Complex server enviroment = more functional, more stable, and more secure. I hate to say it, companies are to worried about bottom line than whats actually in the box. If some kid right out of college who was an average tech geek can run it, they want it so they can pay him 8.50 an hour instead of 30 to 40 dollars an hour.
Microsoft is feeling the crunch because Linux and other prosics systems are killing them in the foreign markets. All in all, this is going to lead the US to fall behind the rest of the world in another market the US help establish and dominated.
Wait until Mandrake or another easy to manage linux system comes out. Thats when we will see. If mac os x can be easy to use unix, an easy to use linux can't be far behind.
But...
UNIX 4 LIFE *does a gang symbol*
You have to be a genius to make Windows work with any of those.
Complex server enviroment = more functional, more stable, and more secure. I hate to say it, companies are to worried about bottom line than whats actually in the box. If some kid right out of college who was an average tech geek can run it, they want it so they can pay him 8.50 an hour instead of 30 to 40 dollars an hour.
Microsoft is feeling the crunch because Linux and other prosics systems are killing them in the foreign markets. All in all, this is going to lead the US to fall behind the rest of the world in another market the US help establish and dominated.
Wait until Mandrake or another easy to manage linux system comes out. Thats when we will see. If mac os x can be easy to use unix, an easy to use linux can't be far behind.
But...
UNIX 4 LIFE *does a gang symbol*
Oh My what happened
K lent just ended where I am so Im back and Isee this. WTF black is white White is black. What happened. Unix full of Traps. Unix is open source and easy to use that is its definition. Windows possibly going to be open source, full of traps impossible to be a "power user" with. I guess Gates decided that he wants to kill Sun. Well good luck u cant kill millions of people writing in JAVA each day and the entire internet. Yep all of it everytime anything looks half way decent that JAVA so if Microsoft some how suceeds well lets just say a billionare will have a funeral after that. And no its not sad that some one gave up the internet for lent.
K lent just ended where I am so Im back and Isee this. WTF black is white White is black. What happened. Unix full of Traps. Unix is open source and easy to use that is its definition. Windows possibly going to be open source, full of traps impossible to be a "power user" with. I guess Gates decided that he wants to kill Sun. Well good luck u cant kill millions of people writing in JAVA each day and the entire internet. Yep all of it everytime anything looks half way decent that JAVA so if Microsoft some how suceeds well lets just say a billionare will have a funeral after that. And no its not sad that some one gave up the internet for lent.
Agreed. Java is the fastest growing tech language in the world, and microsoft can't have it.
Funny indeed.
Funny indeed.
On a related topic, check out this article re Sun's use of some Apple code to make JVM more optimized for Mac OS:
http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/02/03/28/020328hnsunapple.xml
http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/02/03/28/020328hnsunapple.xml
Nice article.
Java applications load faster on Apple Macintosh systems than on other computers, said Denison.
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Improvements to Java from third-party companies such as Apple is the way the Java process is supposed to work, Davis said. "I don't know how earth-shattering it is in that Sun has been generally open to taking best practices from any source possible, other than Microsoft, perhaps," Davis said.
This is very cool, didn't know that. Hopefully it will make it more appealing as a development platform.
But it also seems Sun has a bit of a bias towards MS
Java applications load faster on Apple Macintosh systems than on other computers, said Denison.
...
Improvements to Java from third-party companies such as Apple is the way the Java process is supposed to work, Davis said. "I don't know how earth-shattering it is in that Sun has been generally open to taking best practices from any source possible, other than Microsoft, perhaps," Davis said.
This is very cool, didn't know that. Hopefully it will make it more appealing as a development platform.
But it also seems Sun has a bit of a bias towards MS