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What's wrong with cashback?

It reeks of Web 1.0 "We'll pay you to use our online services" desperation so prevalent in the late 90s (which apparently is where Microsoft's mentality is stuck).

A search service (or any business, for that matter) should succeed or fail based on the quality of its product, not on how much cash the owner is willing to throw your way.

No thanks - I'd be rather suspicious of any prostitute who, in addition to offering free services, provided cash rebates.

Zing!

(Steve Ballmer...prostitute? *shudder*)
 
It reeks of Web 1.0 "We'll pay you to use our online services" desperation so prevalent in the late 90s (which apparently is where Microsoft's mentality is stuck).

A search service (or any business, for that matter) should succeed or fail based on the quality of its product, not on how much cash the owner is willing to throw your way.
I guess I should stop using Google too then.
 
Zing!

(Steve Ballmer...prostitute? *shudder*)

Yet, there he is.

It's amazing what a little lipstick and wig can cover up.

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Huh? How does defaulting to bing limit choice? It's a DEFAULT. You can only have one default. Right now it's google, but you can CHOOSE yahoo. If they make bing default, you can still CHOOSE google and (maybe) yahoo.

Doesnt windows offer choice also? Doesnt mean people wont use the DEFAULT internet browser(explorer)... its not really giving choice if you hide the option... thats why they DEFAULT.... otherwise as soon as you open a browser whether it be on Iphone or on Macbook pro or a PC... its doesnt have you select your preferred search engine.. it gives you one

So I say it will follow iphone model for steve jobs to TELL you what your search engine will be... and in fine print(oh you can also choose this)
 
Doesnt windows offer choice also? Doesnt mean people wont use the DEFAULT internet browser(explorer)... its not really giving choice if you hide the option... thats why they DEFAULT.... otherwise as soon as you open a browser whether it be on Iphone or on Macbook pro or a PC... its doesnt have you select your preferred search engine.. it gives you one

So I say it will follow iphone model for steve jobs to TELL you what your search engine will be... and in fine print(oh you can also choose this)


You know this topic is so widespread it would take a person living under a rock to not know to switch to a different search engine.
 
Whats with all the confusion? You don't seriously think the iphone has good battery life? or decent sound quality? the lack of autofocus isnt a subjective opinion either, its a fact thats not doing apple any good.

The iPhone's battery life is equivalent to its direct competition (Pre, Nexus One, whatever). Despite your claims, Apple does not have a monopoly on battery-draining devices.

I dont understand how americans are so in love with the iPhone, 1/3 of the country is obese, i cant imagine those fat fingers being accurate when writing messages.

I suppose when you don't have anything intelligent to say, you resort to something like this. :rolleyes:

But don't worry, we fatty Americans will keep creating the technologies you skinny Canadians crave.
 
Don't worry, they'll find a way.

Um, okay:rolleyes:


If that is your reason, then you shouldn't be an Apple customer either.

Apple doesn't allow you to use their OS on any other computer besides the ones that they sell. Whereas MS allows you to install their OS on any computer, including Macs.

Seems like Apple has locked you into using their OS, whether you like it or not. I guess it's okay though, because you approve of Apple.
 
It reeks of Web 1.0 "We'll pay you to use our online services" desperation so prevalent in the late 90s (which apparently is where Microsoft's mentality is stuck).

A search service (or any business, for that matter) should succeed or fail based on the quality of its product, not on how much cash the owner is willing to throw your way.

Here is a problem with your agrument.

For a new player to enter the market and knock off the number one guy you can not be just as good or even slightly better to take marketshare. To take the market you need something that is heads over heals better than the other guy and even then you need something to encorage people to try your product.

In this case Bing may only be slightly better than google but to get people to give it a chance they needed cash back which might of been costing MS less than normal advertising because the places it was giving deals to were giving MS a slight cut of the sale so part of that case back was coming from the places the deals were link 2.

People here go in and bash bing because it is not google and because it is MS. They refuse to give it a chance to see if it really is better.
 
I have Bing at work and IMHO it totally sucks! I use Google maps a lot as well as the Google voice search, which is fantastic. It has saved a lot of inconvenience when I'm on the road. If for some strange reason Apple deleted and blocked Google from the iPhone, I would seriously consider switching phones when my contract is over. Other brands are rapidly catching up. I love my iPhone but refuse to be forced into using something I don't like or want. If it was deleted and blocked from Safari I would start using Firefox again. We will just have to wait and see what happens.
 
Here is a problem with your agrument.

For a new player to enter the market and knock off the number one guy you can not be just as good or even slightly better to take marketshare. To take the market you need something that is heads over heals better than the other guy and even then you need something to encorage people to try your product.

In this case Bing may only be slightly better than google but to get people to give it a chance they needed cash back which might of been costing MS less than normal advertising because the places it was giving deals to were giving MS a slight cut of the sale so part of that case back was coming from the places the deals were link 2.

People here go in and bash bing because it is not google and because it is MS. They refuse to give it a chance to see if it really is better.

What, then, is preventing MS from developing an algorithmic search engine which would be "head over heals" better than Google?

The cell phone market happens to be, by far, a much more daunting arena for gaining traction, yet Apple managed to do so, without offering cash back incentives for purchasing, or using an iPhone.

The large array of computers and devices available are aggressively priced for consumers, yet, Apple offers no cash rebates, nor do they hand out money, to fill their stores.

Slightly better doesn't cut it, to compete against a well established Google, although, IMO, Bing is more than slightly worse, at best.

Bing ain't no Google - and bribing consumers to use it won't change that.
 
I wonder how much they have bribed Apple if they are going to make it the default search engine?

Must have been mighty substantial, this, in combination with the probable intent of snubbing Google.

I somehow doubt that this rumor will become reality - a convoluted search engine has no place on an iPhone, let alone being assigned to default.
 
Here is a problem with your agrument.

For a new player to enter the market and knock off the number one guy you can not be just as good or even slightly better to take marketshare. To take the market you need something that is heads over heals better than the other guy and even then you need something to encorage people to try your product.

In this case Bing may only be slightly better than google but to get people to give it a chance they needed cash back which might of been costing MS less than normal advertising because the places it was giving deals to were giving MS a slight cut of the sale so part of that case back was coming from the places the deals were link 2.

People here go in and bash bing because it is not google and because it is MS. They refuse to give it a chance to see if it really is better.

So what you're saying is Bing isn't a good enough product to attract new users on its own merits - Microsoft has to pay people to use it.

Seems you're agreeing with my argument in its entirety.

As for the bashing, Microsoft has earned every ounce of derision thrown its way. And I don't use Microsoft products on principle (unless I'm forced, as is the case with Windows) for many reasons spanning many years.
 
Because most corporate minds ( think MS ) believe people wont switch the search engine.;)


Ding Ding.. See I knew you knew the right answer...

Whether it be Safari or IE.. they should prompt the user to select which search engine they want to have as a default as soon as they start up a freshly installed browser....

Afterall whats the first popup that usually happens when you open a different browser that is NOT your default? its prompt "[enter browser name] has detected that this is not your default browser, would you like [Enter browser name] your default browser?"
 
So what you're saying is Bing isn't a good enough product to attract new users on its own merits - Microsoft has to pay people to use it.

Seems you're agreeing with my argument in its entirety.

As for the bashing, Microsoft has earned every ounce of derision thrown its way. And I don't use Microsoft products on principle (unless I'm forced, as is the case with Windows) for many reasons spanning many years.

Please read it again. Now I do not expect you to understand it because your Apple blinded mind only see
MS = Bash and will look for reason to bash it.

I said bing could be slightly better than Google and it is not going to attack market share. It not better enough to make people want to learn something new.

I also willing to bet you and most of the people bashing Bing have never really used it. They used it long enough to find stuff to hate about it that was it. They went in looking for a reason to hate it. Going in with an open mind would be different. Many of the agrument that I find bashing bing get flamed if the same lame argument are used to bashing OSX because it is not windows. It has to be a lot better than the big player to really take off.

Being slight better just does not cut it.
 
Apple doesn't allow you to use their OS on any other computer besides the ones that they sell. Whereas MS allows you to install their OS on any computer, including Macs.

Seems like Apple has locked you into using their OS, whether you like it or not. I guess it's okay though, because you approve of Apple.

Seems like you have absolutely no clue as to what vendor lock-in means.

What exactly has Apple done to lock me into their OS ? I can install any OS on my Mac hardware and go on using all my content with no problem. If tomorrow OS X ceased to exist, I would just move back to Linux, which I was using before buying my Macbook.

Apple not allowing you to install OS X on anything but a Mac is not vendor lock-in.
 
It's beginning to look like Apple is leveraging it's talks with MS/Bing to get new deals with Google.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=29832...Net+All+Blogs)&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher

"Pressed further, he would only repeat that the business relationship between the two companies was “quite stable right now” and that he would not comment or speculate about any sort of deals or talks that might or might not be going on."
 
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