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Really? Get on with life?:rolleyes:

Great response.

Why don't you call Apple and tell them to do that instead of adding Bing as a search engine choice.

That's fine, too. This whole discussion is irrelevant. Nothing in the rumors says Bing would be exclusive. At most it will be default. So what.
 
well part of the reason apples battery life is not as good as other competition is because there mp3 players are not 1inch thick bricks of crap, i myself find my ipod nanos battery to be fine, i have to agree about the iphone though i cant get through 10 hours of texting web browsing and using apps without the thing dieing. But if you look at other smart phone competition they are not much better.

The Cowon S9 is not a fat brick, and neither is the competition. In fact:

Cowon S9 = 12.7mm at its thickest // 55hrs playback
Sony X1000 = 10cm // 33hrs playback
iPod Touch = 8.5mm // 30hrs playback

iPod Classic = 10.5mm // 36hrs playback <--- 2009
Sony HD5 = 14.5mm // 40hrs playback <--- 2005

Apple has been way behind. Too little, too late for apple. :)
 
That's fine, too. This whole discussion is irrelevant. Nothing in the rumors says Bing would be exclusive. At most it will be default. So what.

That's what I've been saying.

It's others who are confused as to the definition of "default".

The outcry to damn Apple for potentially using Bing is ridiculous.
 
Correction. 20. EDIT: Dammit. One post short. :p



Um, okay. There's nothing here that says Apple is going to block Google as a search engine option.

More iPhones for me![/QUOTE

No, you're right there isnt't. All im saying is A) Apple has block Google Apps before and B) there are distancing themselves form Google, so i am only pointing out a hypothetical future that could happen going by whats happening now.
 
For phone calls and text messages, I use a Nokia too (6300). For emails, podcasts and all sorts of useless stuff, I use a jailbroken iPhone 3G. For navigation, I use my dedicated Garmin unit. For music, I use my Creative players. My brother's daughter loves a few games and language-related apps on it, but otherwise, it is surprising, how little usage my iPhone got recently. So after all, its usability comes down to how good it is. Frankly, with limited battery life, poor sound, no autofocus, a poor camera and pathetic video recording capabilities; the iPhone has lost its lead. But for me, iTunes is the deciding factor against a future iPhone upgrade.

Fortunately, I purchased the handset on a 'pay-as-you-go' prepaid card and I got a years' worth of free mobile internet with it. Otherwise, I would feel stupid that for such a few extra features, I paid over the odds and ignored the iPod Touch. For friends, I now recommend HTC smartphones. I saw a few recently and they make my iPhone look and feel embarrassingly outdated.

But it is surprising, how many very disappointed and angry former Apple fans I know. Sadly, from a hip and cool alternative company, Apple seems to have become a corporate monster.

You said what i was thinking in a much better way!
 
Of course, if you appreciate being forced into MS products and OSes because any other choice is close to unusable because no other company has access to Microsoft's specifications and the current open standards are ignored by the "good" people at Redmond, then go right ahead and use their products and encourage others to do so.

After DOS, Windows, the Web, I think I learned my lesson. Especially the web part. I'm sure all those people still stuck doing web developpement or desktop support just love the fact that IE 6 is a requirement even today in 2010, the alternative being to rewrite huge chunks of non-standard code.

As a Linux user and Unix sysadmin, I can't even begin to count the number of interop nightmares MS caused me. If Apple does go through with this, I'm not sure I can keep giving them my money. I stayed Microsoft free for the longest time, even if it sometimes meant I had to do things in a non-orthodox way. Everything is getting better nowadays as more people realise what mess MS made of things in the industry and moves away from vendor lock-in type solutions.

Hopefully, this is just a bad rumor.

Hopefully, it's only a bad rumor, one which incidentally, has racked a record breaking 2083 negative ratings.

True - Microsoft's singular success in the late 90's was mainly due to their vendor lock-in practices, sleazy OEM deals, and underhanded exclusivity tactics:

A very small minority of people even use Bing. It's typical MS trash that they will shove down your throat with partner "agreements", which they'll then use to lock you into using their product. Finally, they will get rid of the competition by force bundling their product and not allowing other choices.

That's the MS way. If people want Bing and want to help MS destroy yet another part of the Internet with their proprietary crap, they can get a WinMo phone.

BING (Because It's Not Google) sucks by comparison, for this reason alone - it's a substandard search engine, one which MS is vying to force into relevance via their "partnership agreements."

Rather than designing and refining a product which might have the potential of achieving success based upon its own merits, MS instead chooses to rely on its lecherous model of force-feeding mediocrity to the masses - thank you IE, MS OfficeBloat, and Windows, for that matter.

If it does turn out that Bing becomes the default search engine, let alone a mere alternative, I'll be steering clear away, simply Because It's Not Google - the two are leagues apart.
 
Technically that's not true.
The next version of Silverlight will have some features that take advantage of "Windows specific" capabilities.
These features are not being removed or blocked for other platforms.
They are simply not part of the other host operating systems.

So accessing Windows only utilities and not providing a replacement abstraction for other OSes is cross-platform independency?

News to me. The whole reasoning of things like Java, Flash... is that they are identical on all operating systems.

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"These include printing support, clipboard support, a rich text control, bi-directional and right-to-left text, access to webcams and microphones, right-click and mouse wheel control, multi-touch support, and DRM for both online and offline media. Microsoft is also promising a significant performance boost thanks to better just-in-time compilation"

Get a dictionary and look up independent... please?
 
BAAAARRRRFFFFFF!!!

that sucks. that means i would have to tweak the settings to get Google back.

Google = search
Bing = decision??

google = clean, simple, efficient
bing = cluttered, messy, waste of time


There is a reason Google is very popular.

Have you even used Bing?

God, the apple fanbois/gurls make me ashamed to even own a single Apple product. It gives the whole community a bad name.

Shame on you.
 
A very small minority of people even use Bing. It's typical MS trash that they will shove down your throat with partner "agreements", which they'll then use to lock you into using their product. Finally, they will get rid of the competition by force bundling their product and not allowing other choices.

That's the MS way. If people want Bing and want to help MS destroy yet another part of the Internet with their proprietary crap, they can get a WinMo phone.

I avoid giving MS money like the plague. Yes, Windows 7 and the Zune HD are nice. IMO, the iPod touch is better. Plus Windows 7 is well, windows. I'd much rather compile my own linux distro before using on a day-to-day basis. (Yes, Linux is my secret Love)

I spent the time learning iWork (Its great BTW, just spend a few minutes learning it for a change.)

I only use Messenger because all my friends do and I use RDC cause I need it for work... but not for long. :p
 
BING! is nothing more than GOOGLE lite-never to catch up
and i feel the need to bathe after using it
but what is the bad blood between APPLE & the GOOG? their phone?
 
SO what would you have liked it to use?

Flash?

Flash works like **** on Mac. At least Silverlight runs well and more efficiently. Hell...if you are going to complain about that..lets talk about how poor iTunes works on Windows platforms vs. OSX.

You are blind in your own hate.

iTunes does not lock you in. It's not a an API or framework or a way to make software/content exclusive to 1 platform. iTunes is a media player and library manager. It doesn't work on Windows ? Tons of other options.

The iTunes store is a different story, but then again, so is all DRM encumbered media. That's another evil. Silverlight is way to lock you into Microsoft approved platforms.

I'm not blind in my hate, I know Microsoft's history, I know their tactics and I've seen first hand the kind of damage they are capable of doing to get themselves on top and stay there, stagnating for years while the market misses tons of innovative opportunity that are locked out.

It's actually more the Microsoft apologists that are blind to what Microsoft is really about. Monopolistic control. They've shown their true colors again and again, and still some of you refuse to see.

(And btw, for the 3D view, there's this thing called WebGL if they really wanted to adhere to an open standard. Bar that, there's VRML that's been around for close to 20 years, ActiveX wasn't needed at all).

Were did I say I used a win mo phone. My phone is a blackberry. You arethe one that seem to change the rules of a smart phone. As they seem to be defined else where as a phone require the 30 data plan. Turn out the os's are blackberry, palm, apples, winmo, android and symb. Those tend to be the smart phones.
But changing the rules because you hate ms and some hate nokia is not valid to throw them out.

I was agreeing with you, in a sarcastic manner. Smartphones mean nothing at all. I know Nokia N series and WinMo are "smartphones", but better yet, I know there is no such thing as a smartphone. All phones do e-mail, text, web, applications. Heck, a lot of dumbphones do tethering too.

So comparing the iPhone to only a small subset you deem "worthy" in order to make it shine is utter bull like you pointed out.

It's others who are confused as to the definition of "default".

The outcry to damn Apple for potentially using Bing is ridiculous.

We're not confused. I know I'm not. "Default with other options" is bad because it helps MS. "An option but not default" is bad because it helps MS. "Not there at all" is the only way I find it acceptable. Again, since you seem to be just trying to push your own agenda : MS wants to control search so that they can lock you into bing. Once that is done, they can use their newfound search monopoly to push you onto other MS products and gain control of the market. See Windows -> IE. See Office. Stiffling innovation and killing competition in order for MS to rake in the cash.
 
Have you even used Bing?

God, the apple fanbois/gurls make me ashamed to even own a single Apple product. It gives the whole community a bad name.

Shame on you.

I've tried using Bing a few times for work related searches and it's just ***** at pulling up the right types of websites that I had in mind.

I've just switched to Apple, iMac. I loved it so much I bought an iPhone and now my daughter is buying a Macbook Pro after cursing Apple and telling me how great the PC was. 4 weeks later of sneaking onto my machine and her PC laptop purchase decision has been overturned.

Here's the deal for me with Bing.


- What's with the name. I'm reminded of the "Friends" episode where everyone was giving Chandler a hard time pronouncing his surname like a someone had rung a bell and letting the "g" carry. "Bingggg". They made fun of it's dorkiness then and "bing" still sounds dorky now.

- MS want to catch Google. The deal is The Google App is light years better.

- Google has a high customer satisfaction rating. MS have to build a superior search engine to woo punters. MS have a low customer satisfaction rating.

Personally I think MS have lost their way for a lot of years and forgotten that customer service is king. You can only piss on people for so long.
:)

Oh and Apple. Don't switch to Bing. Why use something that alienates customers. Sure you're unhappy with Google coming onto your turf but this is not so much about the fact that they're are trying to compete it's more that they do a great job usually.

Google has a huge amount of good will to leverage off.
 
BING (Because It's Not Google) sucks by comparison, for this reason alone - it's a substandard search engine, one which MS is vying to force into relevance via their "partnership agreements."

Not to mention paying users to use it. I watched a lot of RSS feeds from deal sites during the holiday shopping period and it seemed almost every single deal involved Bing Cashback. When you can't provide a compelling product, provide a compelling bribe.

Microsoft wants you to love them - just tell them where to send the check.
 
Not to mention paying users to use it. I watched a lot of RSS feeds from deal sites during the holiday shopping period and it seemed almost every single deal involved Bing Cashback. When you can't provide a compelling product, provide a compelling bribe.

Microsoft wants you to love them - just tell them where to send the check.
What's wrong with cashback?
 
Actually defaulting to BING follows Apples approach very well...

They are not goo a giving choices... esp regarding the iphone OS!
 
Not to mention paying users to use it. I watched a lot of RSS feeds from deal sites during the holiday shopping period and it seemed almost every single deal involved Bing Cashback. When you can't provide a compelling product, provide a compelling bribe.

Microsoft wants you to love them - just tell them where to send the check.

Always a revealing vote of confidence in the appeal (or lack thereof) of their own products. :rolleyes:

No thanks - I'd be rather suspicious of any prostitute who, in addition to offering free services, provided cash rebates.
 
Actually defaulting to BING follows Apples approach very well...

They are not goo a giving choices... esp regarding the iphone OS!

Huh? How does defaulting to bing limit choice? It's a DEFAULT. You can only have one default. Right now it's google, but you can CHOOSE yahoo. If they make bing default, you can still CHOOSE google and (maybe) yahoo.
 
Always a revealing vote of confidence in the appeal (or lack thereof) of their own products. :rolleyes:

No thanks - I'd be rather suspicious of any prostitutes who, in addition to offering free services, provides cash rebates.
What do you use for online search then?
 
To someone like you, who knows that they can change the default search engine to something else, why should it matter if they make it the default or if it is just one of the options? You're not going to use it anyway....

Is it really that difficult to understand, considering MS's history of illegal monopolistic practices? They should NOT be able to have any of their technologies set as default, especially in Apple devices.
 
We're not confused. I know I'm not. "Default with other options" is bad because it helps MS. "An option but not default" is bad because it helps MS. "Not there at all" is the only way I find it acceptable. Again, since you seem to be just trying to push your own agenda : MS wants to control search so that they can lock you into bing. Once that is done, they can use their newfound search monopoly to push you onto other MS products and gain control of the market. See Windows -> IE. See Office. Stiffling innovation and killing competition in order for MS to rake in the cash.

My own agenda? And what would that be? Explaining what "default" means?

It seems that you're the one trying to push your own agenda.

I simply disagree with you, and you don't like that.

How can MS lock me into Bing if they become the default search engine? I'll be able to change it or I can type in Google's or Yahoo!'s or any other search engine address and use that instead.

More options = better for the consumer.

If you don't want to use an option, don't use it. It doesn't really affect you if others are using it.

And as I've said in a past post, even though I use Google for my searches, I don't like that I have no other out-of-the-box options for my search bar in Safari on Mac. If you want options for that, you have to download something like Glims. I would prefer it if there were more options.

Is it really that difficult to understand, considering MS's history of illegal monopolistic practices? They should NOT be able to have any of their technologies set as default, especially in Apple devices.

They shouldn't be allowed? Um, okay :rolleyes:

As long as regulators are watching and staying on alert for possible illegal behavior, they absolutely should be allowed.
 
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