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I work at a music software company and stay in touch with the customer base as much as I can, and there are dozens of them who have switched from Mac to PC. Some of them switched back to PC, others were long time Mac users who switched.

Another reason for switching has been that Apple has no midrange tower.

Yet another reason for switching was that prior to Apple's switch to Intel, Macs were so much slower than PCs, especially on the laptop side. Some switched back when Apple moved to Intel, others stayed.

So, no, Mac-to-PC switchers are not mythical creatures, there are many of them. Not as many as PC-to-Mac switchers, though, but still.

Honestly, I never heard about this so I am glad I am better informed! Thanks...... (see this is what I call "neutral" argumentation:) )

Read this on BusinessWeek, anybody have more information about this?

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_38/b4100084242512.htm?campaign_id=rss_tech
 
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Admittedly, down to their own ignorance, but eh. Guess no one told them about One to One :D

£450!?!?!? :eek:
 
Apple is attacking people who wear glasses and are a little overweight and/or nerdy/geeky by portraying them as uncool and dorky. Pretty arrogant by anyone's standards. MS is just helping bring that to light by embracing all people the same.
No they're not. Hodgeman represents a PC, not the people who use a PC.
Yes, on some level the MS ads do address the variety of people who do use a PC, but this is not the same thing.


That's exactly the point. Apple doesn't make computers where you can find millions of different applications and use for millions of different things. PCs are used for a hundred times wider variety of things (including designing and making Macs!), by a hundred times wider variety of people. Hence the ads.
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Yes, they do, unless you forgot that through bootcamp or virtualization an Apple computer can indeed run every major operating system. So, no you're completely wrong here, in fact Apple computers can run more software than than other manufacturers computers.


Like I said before, Apple is attacking people in general by making the argument that some people are worth more than others because of how they dress or act. That's why MS's ads are genious, they make Apple look arrogant and discriminative. MS looks encompassing and appealing to all people, not just hip wannabes who want to be associated with Justin Long.
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No, they're not, again Hodgeman represent a PC not a person, yes many people misinterpret this, which is unfortunate and I agree Apple should begin a different ad campaign stressing the positives of Apple products. But, the ads were effective and entertaining, some downright funny.
No, the MS ads are not genius, it was made 2 years ago by Apple. The concept is very good, the execution is poor, time for a new ad agency.

I've said it before and I'll say it again:

If Apple is specifically showcasing the product differences and not the people, why does the PC wear glasses and a tie and look like an older dork, while the Mac looks like a "hip" and "cool" dude? Those aren't features of the product.
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Yes, you're right, they are not features of a PC. They only represent features of a PC as most of the buying public sees them. Beige boxes, with malware problems, used in virtually all businesses. The public image of Microsoft and OEMs before the Apple ads corresponded to this representation, Apple only capitalized on this perception.

Also, who told you that MS ads are not making a perfect analogy of how every PC is different and unique, just like the people portrayed? PCs are different from each other (unlike Macs). PCs are unique. PCs are used for many different things (thousands of times more than Macs).
Yes, this ad does address this issue, to bad they couldn't even come up with an original idea to get this done. I don't blame Microsoft for this, I blame the ad agency. With the spoof posted earlier, you know the one with Justin claiming "and I'm a PC too", I predict these ads to be pulled soon, if not Microsoft will have to endure even more criticism online for quite some time.

Just like John Hodgeman can figuratively be a PC in the ads, these people can be PCs in de ads. I can't believe people will use any excuse (including not using 1% of their brains to get the point) to try and push their zealotry.
They could have been been, but the ads were so poorly done as to not appear this is what the ads mean, hence the confusion.
 
Look -- I own a lot of Apple products. I love them, I use them. This doesn't mean I have to like their marketing strategy or business practices.

I know that a lot of Americans want to see everything in black and white ("If you're not with us, you're against us", etc), that everyone is either a fan or a hater and nothing inbetween, but the world is a little more complex than that.

I agree,but you yourself used devicive comparisons to attack Apple.
Personally,now we've got a good picture of the representation of the MS experience in human form,I'd like Apple to up it a bit.Have the character in chains,maybe in prison or a courtroom,guilty of mis-representing Apple.Then have him in numerous sketches try to escape,failing in different comical ways.
Apple probably won't go that far unfortunately,but I bet most people would get it if they did!

*If anyone out there has photo shop and wants to make a picture of the "I'm a PC" character in a police mug shot,I'd be grateful!!*
 
rickag: You seem to be taking the ads a bit personally. I think your almost visceral response is emblematic of why some PC users and the less fanatical Mac users (who I believe actually represent a majority of the Mac population now) find Mac fanboyism to be utterly annoying.

The PC ads were actually a clever response. And yes, using the fat guy with glasses was purposeful on Apple's part.
 
henrymonroe: You are also acting like a tool by inciting Mac fanboys.

Regardless, thanks to both the PC and Mac zealots, I've had my the 15 minutes of entertainment from MacRumors for the day. Now, I have to jump to a crazy SEC college football forum. Have a good day!
 
How is he an Apple hater for stating the obvious? I'm an Apple user and I agree with almost everything he said. Microsoft's new ads are working. Apple's "I'm a Mac" ads are insulting, it's sleazy negative campaigning on the level of John McCain. I don't quite agree that PCs are "unique" (there are more identically configured specimen of any particular Dell model than there are alu iMacs), but Apple does have a very limited product range. There's nothing remotely individualistic about a Mac, it's more like East Germany back in the communist days when everyone drove the exact same car (the Trabant). But at least the Trabant was available in different colors, whereas most Macs only come in one color (if naked aluminium indeed qualifies as a "color"). The only thing missing is an Apple uniform to wear, and the scary part is that some would gladly don such attire.

Again, colors and variety do not necessarily sum up to quality per se..... I am not saying all Apple products are without fault, but to simply translate the supposed PC variety to absolute virtuosity is ..well...no comment. Ever heard of : it's not QUANTITY, but QUALITY that counts?

And I second all those who state that Microsoft is using the word PC as if they actually manufacture the cases their software runs on...leave that to HP/Dell/Toshiba and so on....As for now Vista is CRAPPY and they know it....so this I'm a PC ad totally misses the point where MS is concerned...and Apple does manufacture hard and software so if they use the "I'm a Mac" slogan it's justified. And yeah....all PC's were represented by that overweight dude, cause even the coolest HP PC would be overweight and geeky running on the current Vista...

BUT I am no fan of either ads (nor the MS I'm a pc or the Apple I'm a Mac one) since I think stereotyping and finger pointing belongs in kindergarten..... As a customer I want to see why I should BUY YOUR product...
 
No they're not. Hodgeman represents a PC, not the people who use a PC.

Portraying a PC as a fat dorky guy is as insulting to fat dorky guys as it is to the rest of the consumer population. And please don't be naive. Apple is trying to make you relate Mac = cool people. Don't be so gullible. We should all be denouncing Apple for this kind of elitism and discriminative behavior.

Yes, on some level the MS ads do address the variety of people who do use a PC, but this is not the same thing.

Yes it is.

Yes, they do, unless you forgot that through bootcamp or virtualization an Apple computer can indeed run every major operating system. So, no you're completely wrong here, in fact Apple computers can run more software than than other manufacturers computers.

True. A Mac running Windows is also a PC. Exactly the point the ads are trying to make. PCs are not all dorky and uncool, quite the opposite. They're big, small, cool, uncool, exciting, boring, plain, colorful... point is, they're different things to different people, and used widely around the world by people who are just as unique. Perfect counterpoint to Apple's "only cool people use Macs because Macs themselves are hip and cool" ads.


No, they're not, again Hodgeman represent a PC not a person, yes many people misinterpret this, which is unfortunate and I agree Apple should begin a different ad campaign stressing the positives of Apple products. But, the ads were effective and entertaining, some downright funny.
No, the MS ads are not genius, it was made 2 years ago by Apple. The concept is very good, the execution is poor, time for a new ad agency.

LOL time for a new agency? Judging by the response in this forum alone, plus the overwhelmingly positive response on the blogosphere and net in general, looks like it's more like time for you to face the fact that you're wrong. And again, don't be so gullible in thinking Apple is not trying to make people associate using a PC with being uncool, and only valuing young, hip, thin people like Justin Long. Can't believe you're purposely being so oblivious to their marketing tactics.

Yes, you're right, they are not features of a PC. They only represent features of a PC as most of the buying public sees them. Beige boxes, with malware problems, used in virtually all businesses. The public image of Microsoft and OEMs before the Apple ads corresponded to this representation, Apple only capitalized on this perception.

Yes, capitalized by using vulgar discriminatory elitist tactics, and MS called them on it through their ads in the most subtle and positive of ways. That's why so many people on this thread (and the net in general) are giving big kudos to MS, and wishing Apple luck with the switch in marketing strategy that they've been single-handedly forced to do.

Yes, this ad does address this issue, to bad they couldn't even come up with an original idea to get this done. I don't blame Microsoft for this, I blame the ad agency. With the spoof posted earlier, you know the one with Justin claiming "and I'm a PC too", I predict these ads to be pulled soon, if not Microsoft will have to endure even more criticism online for quite some time.

On the contrary my friend. The spoof just helps their cause. Macs can be PCs too, yes. Do you think Microsoft minds if people run a copy of Windows on a Mac? PCs come in all shapes, sizes, coolness or hipness levels, and that's why there are over a billion people using them for millions of different things. Touché. You keep saying "time for a new ad agency" when these ads are being smashingly successful at getting the point across. Wake up! These ads are not anti-Mac. They're Pro-PC, can't you see the difference? Kudos to MS for embracing positive marketing tactics and not Apple's cheap-shot based negative one. THAT'S original.

They could have been been, but the ads were so poorly done as to not appear this is what the ads mean, hence the confusion.

Again, your opinion, which is evidently not shared by the majority. I guess that's why you're not in marketing. :)
 
Everyone knows these "I'm a PC" ads have infuriated Bill Gates...

Bill-I don't care what it takes just do it my way!

Ad Agency-But there going to make you look like an angry lying fool,driven by revenge.

Bill-If you want that $300 million,just make 'em!

Ad agency-OK,but remember,we warned you!!
 
Again, your opinion, which is evidently not shared by the majority. I guess that's why you're not in marketing. :)

I hope YOU are not into marketing, or maybe....just maybe you're working at that $300 mil ad agency,....in that case I applaud you cause you must be laughing your way to the bank.:)

I think the slogan "I'm not a stereotype" would've been a "better" approach, but somehow they did not translate that into something of more impact. The commercial now is too much of an answer to the Apple version....and very "blah" and bland.....

Anyway it's getting boring....this was my last on this now tedious issue.
 

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Microsoft is actually running an excellent ad campaign nowadays.

Step 1: Get people talking. The Gates/Seinfeld ads did that.

Step 2: Humanize your product. The I'm a PC ads. And there's the added bonus of effectively responding to the Mac ads.

Step 3: Redefine yourselves. Probably won't start for another month or two... probably just in time for the holiday season. Curious to see what they end up doing in this regard.
 
Microsoft is actually running an excellent ad campaign nowadays.

Step 1: Get people talking. The Gates/Seinfeld ads did that.

Step 2: Humanize your product. The I'm a PC ads. And there's the added bonus of effectively responding to the Mac ads.

Step 3: Redefine yourselves. Probably won't start for another month or two... probably just in time for the holiday season. Curious to see what they end up doing in this regard.

Seems to be what everyone's saying, except for some zealots who lack the least bit of common sense. Well worth the $300 million (and it's just starting) and a smashing success so far according to what they set out to do in each of the phases.
 
Everyone knows these "I'm a PC" ads have infuriated Bill Gates...

Bill-I don't care what it takes just do it my way!

Ad Agency-But there going to make you look like an angry lying fool,driven by revenge.

Bill-If you want that $300 million,just make 'em!

Ad agency-OK,but remember,we warned you!!

Pffff yeah I'm sure Bill cares a whole lot. It must have been his own personal call, like EVERYTHING related to Microsoft. I mean of course, since he's got nothing better to do, like save the world from Malaria or improve the US education system.
 
aonther "I'm a PC" ad...

I just saw it on TV. Another " I'm a PC" ad.

Like the first one I saw, it features a bunch of people saying "I'm a PC", including Bill Gates and people from all over the world.

But the last scene is really interesting. A boxer is beating up another guy and speaks towards the camera, " DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT?"

I gotta say, I love this.
 
I don't think this is the correct section of the forum for this discussion, but I'll bite.

I don't really like the Microsoft advertising all that much. The "I'm a Mac, I'm a PC" advertising from Apple is usually amusing in some way. The Microsoft advertising just.. isn't.
 
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