Microsoft's Longhorn

[Zaty]

Longhorn Release date

Reading all the posts, I found a few people said Longhorn would be out in 2005, while a few other said 2006 and most people seem to believe it will be released only in 2007.

I recently read in a article that someone at MS confirmed that the start ot Longhorn beta was pushed back to early 2005, the final relase should be finished by early 2006. This would hint at a mid-2006 release. My guess is Longhorn will be available in late 2006 (probably October '06).

 

[BakedBeans]

Yeah, most people buy cheap computers just to have one. No way will the bulk of the population bay 2K + for a computer. Hell i dont think the bulk of the population is wlling to pay more than 1K for a computer.

Consumer population.

plus think of the other implications, schools only being able to afford pcs that will run xp, ect... kids (future programers ect) not using the up-to-date learning euiptment

the whole thing about making it cheeper because of the smaller amount of materials used is rubbish.... what about the billions of dollars f high tech fabs to prouce them???

 

[encro]

Actually, with Nokia's software for Win, I already essentially had this feature. It had a "sync whenever device comes in range" function. I used IR to connect to my Win PC, so I had to actually turn it on, on the phone, to make it happen, but if my work PC had BT, it would've done it whenever I walked into the room.

I'm still kinda miffed that iSync doesn't have this feature -- it should not be too hard to implement, with some kind of intelligence, i.e. sync upon device entry into range if not synced in x hours or w.e.

Salling Clicker will allow you to set up sync on Proximity and Control your computer from your phone, its awesome:
http://homepage.mac.com/jonassalling/Shareware/Clicker/

OS X has crontab built-in so you could set it to sync up as frequent as you like:

Type

crontab -e

into Terminal.

For a sync at 7am everyday for instance, enter the following:

#minute hour    mday    month   wday    who     command
0       7       *       *       *               osascript -e 'tell application "iSync" to synchronize'

After you are done press 'Ctrl-X' then 'Y' to save. Easy as pie.

 

[BakedBeans]

Not ones that run Longhorn.



You seem to have this mistaken impression that Microsoft cares about anything other than money and acquiring it for themselves. Why would they care what the world thinks?

lmao.

im sure that microsoft wont care when its selling hardly any of its new multi billion dollar os because joe public cant afford the hardware to run it on.... but this will never happen because as you correctly stated microsoft do care about making money

EDIT: also if businesses and schools cant afford them then thats one huge chunk of money down the drain

 

[thatwendigo]

plus think of the other implications, schools only being able to afford pcs that will run xp, ect... kids (future programers ect) not using the up-to-date learning euiptment

What about them? You seem to think that Microsoft feels they have a responsibility to provide for education. It's a market, and they'll do what they think will make them the most money.

the whole thing about making it cheeper because of the smaller amount of materials used is rubbish.... what about the billions of dollars f high tech fabs to prouce them???

It's called return on investment. You spend money so that you make money later, when your product has matured and is being sold, repaying what you expended on research and development, fabbing, and so on. There isn't a single company in the high-tech world that doesn't operate on this principle, or anywhere in manufacturing, for that matter.

This is why bad decisions can send companies into bankruptcy. They spend the money to create products, but don't make enough back to cover the costs of develpoment.

Intel is good at not crossing that line.

 

[macdong]

Even if it does look better than OSX, it is important to not forget that OSX is now and Longhorn isn't. We know more about where MS will be in 2 years than where Apple will be in 2 months

nicely said!

 

[Dippo]

What about them? You seem to think that Microsoft feels they have a responsibility to provide for education. It's a market, and they'll do what they think will make them the most money.

All the schools I know still run Win98, and they don't have the money to upgrade. So they will probably still be using Win98 after Longhorn comes out.

 

[macdong]

I can only speak for myself, but I only use my Mac at home for personal use, but I use XP at work, and I can tell you, for what I do, it's very productive.

perhaps you want to shed some light on what you do?
because i can tell you, for what i do, Windows really doesn't work.

 

[1macker1]

It's gonna be like the early 90's again, where if you have a computer, you were considered rich.

lmao.

im sure that microsoft wont care when its selling hardly any of its new multi billion dollar os because joe public cant afford the hardware to run it on.... but this will never happen because as you correctly stated microsoft do care about making money

EDIT: also if businesses and schools cant afford them then thats one huge chunk of money down the drain

 

[thatwendigo]

lmao.

im sure that microsoft wont care when its selling hardly any of its new multi billion dollar os because joe public cant afford the hardware to run it on.... but this will never happen because as you correctly stated microsoft do care about making money

On the contray, when Microsoft sells bundles of its OS to hardware manufacturers, they make their money regardless of any sales by the OEM. Quite aside form upgrading users, they shift a huge number of units just off of manufacturers buying literal lots of Windows. So, when the affluent people who desire digital content protected under Trusted Computing buy new computers, Microsofy makes money from the OS, from their purchases of media, from software that is sold with the computer, and so on.

 

[macdong]

I think it'll be more secure; I think they'll turn off and disable so many services it won't be able to do much more than open a single copy of Solitaire.

turn off many services and at the same time bloat the OS.
how do they do it??
what's their secret??!!
ma, i wanna know!!

 

[BakedBeans]

What about them? You seem to think that Microsoft feels they have a responsibility to provide for education. It's a market, and they'll do what they think will make them the most money.



It's called return on investment. You spend money so that you make money later, when your product has matured and is being sold, repaying what you expended on research and development, fabbing, and so on. There isn't a single company in the high-tech world that doesn't operate on this principle, or anywhere in manufacturing, for that matter.

This is why bad decisions can send companies into bankruptcy. They spend the money to create products, but don't make enough back to cover the costs of develpoment.

Intel is good at not crossing that line.

although off topic, i think you have got this whole thing wrong if people dont have computer they cant run windows = loss of money

 

[thatwendigo]

All the schools I know still run Win98, and they don't have the money to upgrade. So they will probably still be using Win98 after Longhorn comes out.

They might move to 2000, if they have sense and can get a volume discount on the newly obsolete hardware and software. Or, if they really had sense, they'd be on OS X.

However, this is kind of my point... People who are cheap or poor just make do with what they can, and Microsoft keeps aiming wherever it is they want to go with things.

 

[1macker1]

Telecommunications work. I've yet to see software for the Mac for DSLAMs, DAX's, VoiceGateWays, Bulk Call testers. These programs work just dandy on 98 - XP, but no Mac support at all.

perhaps you want to shed some light on what you do?
because i can tell you, for what i do, Windows really doesn't work.

 

[macdong]

This is going to turn into a Longhorn V OSX thread soon. I like the black interface. I'm tired of all the kiddie colors.

kiddie colors?
i am sure you are talking about XP's interface, which was rumored that it was designed by a group of kindergarten kids from somewhere near Bellevue uptown.
wait, that's my neighborhood...

 

[Hes Nikke]

I'm guessing that this won't run on Virtual PC, based on the requirements.

sombody better tell microsoft… i've seen an older build of longhorn (about a year old) running on VirtualPC 5 on a 550 MHz G4

well... running isn't the right word... maybe walking... slowly

 

[1macker1]

So you are saying there will be no new PC's sold for under 1000 bucks anymore.

They might move to 2000, if they have sense and can get a volume discount on the newly obsolete hardware and software. Or, if they really had sense, they'd be on OS X.

However, this is kind of my point... People who are cheap or poor just make do with what they can, and Microsoft keeps aiming wherever it is they want to go with things.

 

[thatwendigo]

although off topic, i think you have got this whole thing wrong if people dont have computer they cant run windows = loss of money

I think you completely miss my point. Someone who would only spend $400 on a computer isn't going to be dropping a couple hundred more on digital movies, music, and other content that Microsoft could be making money off of. With the advent of Trusted Computing in consumer space, they can really push Windows Media as a source of revenue.

Someone who can afford a $2000 computer to run Longhorn can probably also afford $100-500 a year to buy movies and music, too. That's more money for Microsoft and their hardware partners and providers.

 

[pjkelnhofer]

What is in a name?

It is just occured to me, a lot of people are making fun of the name Longhorn, but isn't that just the MS codename for it. Wasn't Windows95 called Chicago during are it's alpha/beta days? XP was codename:Whistler. The point is we have no idea what the final release name will be.

As for the release date, the article at the start of the thread says:

Still, with Longhorn not arriving until 2007 (at the earliest)...

Not official, but the lastest date. When did XP come out, about two years ago? Five years between OS updates! Wouldn't it be nice to have a company update the OS regularly for a lower price, then gargantuan updates every three to five years. Like I said before, the first computers that shipped with XP will not run Longhorn (or whatever it's called) when it comes out, but my iMac that came with OS 9 installed (and OS X on a CD in the box) runs Panther quite nicely (four years and three OS's later).

 

[0 and A ai]

I saw the requirements before. A triple core 4-6 GHz (64-bit recommended) processor, 2 gigs of RAM, and 1 TB of HD...what the heck? And this is just to run the OS itself. As soon as you open solitaire, I bet it will come crashing to a halt with how many resources are going to be monopolized by Windows. I seriously cannot believe anyone would consider this kind of bloat to be acceptable.

This just reaffrims the fact that it is actually being delayed more than they are saying. 2007 those requirements won't be all that ridiculous.

 

[thatwendigo]

So you are saying there will be no new PC's sold for under 1000 bucks anymore.

Not ones that are running Longhorn.

I said it before, but I will explicitly state it now: The goal of Longhorn is to push new hardware, not to follow the older setups or technology.

 

[1macker1]

With apple aqua interface and XP's bright colors, i think it's time to move on. And the brushed metal concept isn't cutting it.

kiddie colors?
i am sure you are talking about XP's interface, which was rumored that it was designed by a group of kindergarten kids from somewhere near Bellevue uptown.
wait, that's my neighborhood...

 

[BakedBeans]

I think you completely miss my point. Someone who would only spend $400 on a computer isn't going to be dropping a couple hundred more on digital movies, music, and other content that Microsoft could be making money off of. With the advent of Trusted Computing in consumer space, they can really push Windows Media as a source of revenue.

Someone who can afford a $2000 computer to run Longhorn can probably also afford $100-500 a year to buy movies and music, too. That's more money for Microsoft and their hardware partners and providers.

microsoft are such a succesful company beause they put there os on most computers simple... are they going to stop that because of digital media.... i think not....

 

[Omad0n]

You know your right.. but its kinda funny. people were saying the same thing when 1GB was a huge amount.

now i couldnt install all my software in under a gig.

same thing will happen with 1TB
seems huge now in 10 years it will be average or almost minimum , My bet

You just hit the majic point, in 10 years 1 tb may be average. Right now though we're being told it'll happen in 2 years. how the heck are they gonna get the seek times up on those drives? Plus don't faster drives mean more friction, which means drives won't last as long?

::edit grammer::

 

[1macker1]

Unless something changes, all Dell's ship with the current version of Windows. So when Longhorn arrives, Dell will no longer sell sub 1K computers? I just cant see this happening.

Not ones that are running Longhorn.

I said it before, but I will explicitly state it now: The goal of Longhorn is to push new hardware, not to follow the older setups or technology.

LOL@ the low end Dell starting out at 1,600 bucks....NOOO WAYYY DUDE.