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Never thought i would see the day

I never thought I would say this but... Microsoft FTW! Altho I hope they wont ditch google for bing. Bing doesn't pick up on any of my websites.
 
I just threw up a little bit in my mouth. Conceiving of that buffoon on the WWDC stage is a "show me on the doll where the bad man touched you" moment.
 
If this does happen, I think it could really end the whole Microsoft v.s. Apple status quo. Not the PC v.s. Mac, but just the companies in general. I think Google v.s. Apple is taking a more prime position nowadays.
 
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Wouldn't allowing Microsoft to make Visual Studio output iPad and iPhone apps break the developer agreement for iDevelopers? This just seems odd after the big fuss Jobs made about allowing others to create development tools that lag behind Apple's own and using that as part of their ammo to shoot down Adobe. Now just a few weeks later they're going to endorse MS doing it? Kinda confusing...

Not that I'm an Adobe/Flash fanatic - I agree with Jobs that letting Adobe (or anybody else for that matter) be a middle-man between Apple and iDevs is a bad idea, but to openly embrace MS software so soon after beating down Adobe? Something doesn't add up...

You need to consider Apple's reasoning for rejecting Adobe though. They rejected Flash because it is a poorly coded battery wasting mess and having it inserted as an intermediate layer to provide a poor-man's version of what can be achieved in Xcode is highly undesirable. The expansion of developer tools to include Visual Studio would simply be a way to bring native code development to developers that do not have access to a Mac or are simply more comfortable with the Visual Studio interface and environment.
 
VS to build iApps would be great. VS is a solid tool. People can trash MS but you can't take away how well they support developers.

But what if he's really there to announce Bing replacing Google as the Safari search tab on the iDevices? :eek:
 
Wouldn't allowing Microsoft to make Visual Studio output iPad and iPhone apps break the developer agreement for iDevelopers? This just seems odd after the big fuss Jobs made about allowing others to create development tools that lag behind Apple's own and using that as part of their ammo to shoot down Adobe. Now just a few weeks later they're going to endorse MS doing it? Kinda confusing...

Not that I'm an Adobe/Flash fanatic - I agree with Jobs that letting Adobe (or anybody else for that matter) be a middle-man between Apple and iDevs is a bad idea, but to openly embrace MS software so soon after beating down Adobe? Something doesn't add up...

No if Visual Studio outputs in a native format that the iPhone/iPad supports it wouldn't be breaking the dev agreement. The problem with Adobe flash exporter is it doesn't create a native app exactly. It creates a native app that inside has code that allows a flash bundle inside the app to run. Basically it wraps a flash app in a native app container. This basically is the same as using Rosetta in Mac OS X. Now for Mac OS X Rosetta was a necessary evil since it eased the transition from PowerPC to Intel for people. There is no reason to support that kind of emulation on the iPhone/iPad since it does nothing to benefit Apple and could very well create performance issues and other problems that Apple does not want to support. And for those that say give the people a choice remember that the majority of consumers equate buying a program from Apple Retail store as buying it from Apple and as such it should be supported by Apple. So if crappy application is sold through App store then the customer isn't going to blame the manufacturer, they will blame Apple and Apple hardware for the problem, so no it does not make a better solution for Apple to allow it.
 
Erm.... I call bs.

That is, unless of course, Microsoft concedes that Objective-C is an excellent language. It would be awesome if they did, but it wouldn't make sense, because it's completely Mac Mac Mac, just as C# is Windows Windows Windows. The only motivation would be platform independence, and with Carbon out the window MS would have to become too Appley for it to be in their best interests.

Now, I don't doubt that there's a 7 minute spot for Microsoft though. It'll be about Office 2011. Positive for Apple because the current offering is a load of shizer and prevents people switching, positive for Microsoft because it means all the switchers don't develop an even deeper loathing for Microsoft when forced to use one last product and it being the most painful experience in the world.
 
OR maybe Apple is going to eliminate Google off their OS & introduce Bing!:)

Say it ain't soo.. :(

If Microsoft is there, it will be to talk bing. I don't think apple will remove google, they'll just add another option and possibly make it the new default.
 
Native .NET for OS X and the iPhone/iPad variants would be a bold, but incredibly bright move for Apple. Period. The number of developers that know C# and VB.NET is enormous, especially when you look at corporate IT.

Miguel de Icaza would be a bit miffed considering his work on MonoTouch, but even he'd applaud this move. .NET is a pretty solid development platform.

Man, talk about dreaming... hope this is the "boom" of the WWDC keynotes.
 
Not a chance

Not happening..... If Microsoft is talking it's not to allow iPhone development.

Think about it, Microsoft would have to constantly be upgrading to keep up with new OS beta releases.

On the slim chance they do it, it would have to be an IDE for Objective-C, not a translator between .Net and Obj-C. Otherwise, it won't work with the developer agreement.
 
If this does happen, I think it could really end the whole Microsoft v.s. Apple status quo. Not the PC v.s. Mac, but just the companies in general. I think Google v.s. Apple is taking a more prime position nowadays.

It would seem Google is to Apple as Apple is to Nintendo..
Google is now the "Enemy of the future"!
Besides Apple vs Microsoft hardly seems important now that Apple is worth more (in terms of market capitalization) :D
 
Erm.... I call bs.

That is, unless of course, Microsoft concedes that Objective-C is an excellent language. It would be awesome if they did, but it wouldn't make sense, because it's completely Mac Mac Mac, just as VS is Windows Windows Windows.

Objective-C isn't a Mac language - it's an ANSI standard object oriented extension of C. Objective-C programs can be compiled with GCC to run on variety of platforms. Cocoa on the other hand is entirely apple-centric and is the APIs and frameworks used to create Mac/iPhone native apps.
 
There is absolutely NO WAY this is going to happen. NO WAY.

If this ends up being true, I will give $1000 to any charity of MacRumors choice.

Ethan
 
If he talks about the App Store.......

DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS,DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS
 
Wouldn't allowing Microsoft to make Visual Studio output iPad and iPhone apps break the developer agreement for iDevelopers?
Sure, and Bento has a scripting language and Apple's own Numbers has macros. As the exceptions list continues to grow it become ever clearer that Section 3.3.1 is really about Steve Jobs' personal problem with Adobe after all.

Tip: One of my sources tells me there's a big briefcase of cash for the first Apple employee who can produce a copy of an email in which Jobs ordered the SDK team to sit on the v4 revisions until two business days before Adobe's launch.
 
WTF? Does anybody else think that this so called analyst pull this out of his ass to get clicks? I mean come on, it makes absolutely no sense.

The only way this make sense is that the analyst made a mistake and was actually talking about Microsoft Office 2011 for Mac, not VS Studio 2010 but then he went on to talk about compiling for iPhone OS, which again could be related to Office being on iPad and not the actual compiler.

We'll see.
 
Apple + Microsoft > Google. Google is the enemy of both, and if Apple and Microsoft start putting their heads (and money) together, I think they can take out the Goliath, then go back to hating each other. Remember that old adage, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Google is just becoming a nuisance.

Ok, let's stop and think about these things. Remember when we hated Microsoft because they had a monopoly? And they loaded Internet Explorer on windows, which we deemed as anti-competitive? I mean, you could install another browser, but IE was in by default? Now Apple won't even let you install something it deems you shouldn't have? like Google Voice?

Also, Exxon is the #1 biggest company in the US by market cap. Today Apple surpassed Microsoft to become #2, and now Microsoft is #3. The only "goliath" here is Exxon, and they're not even in this horse race. It's just 2 big companies who have locked you in getting together and trying to push another company down.
 
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