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See that is spoken like someone just repeating crap but has zero understanding of it. You are repeating old fud.

also the dreaded Windows "slowdown". F.e., Expose on Mac comes up instantly. But the same feature on Windows 7 is horribly laggy. HOw do you explain that?
 
also the dreaded Windows "slowdown". F.e., Expose on Mac comes up instantly. But the same feature on Windows 7 is horribly laggy. HOw do you explain that?

Yeah! I had a Windows computer once. Damn thing caught on fire. I thought that was pretty crappy, so I bought an iMac. Haven't had a computer fire since. Coincidence? I think not.

Windows: It Just Doesn't Work™

Or better yet...

Yeah! I have a Windows machine! It love it so much :nervous glance around:! I mean it only crashes when I'm being a bad person :random BSOD:...wait...sorry, had...uh...something else to do for a second. that was totally my fault. Anyway, yeah. I love Windows :flinches:. It only acts buggy because it has to.

Windows: It's like the computer equivalent of stockholm syndrome/battered wives syndrome. But at least you can get on the internet...some of the time™
 
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also the dreaded Windows "slowdown". F.e., Expose on Mac comes up instantly. But the same feature on Windows 7 is horribly laggy. HOw do you explain that?

Expose doesn't exist on Windows 7, the closest match is something called "Switcher" which isn't the same thing.
 
You could say that Win-Tabbing and the various forms of Aero Peek are somewhat similar to Expose. From my experiences, I've yet to see it lag in the least. Not even on my parents old as the hills Gateway laptop I installed Win7 on a couple of years back.
 
also the dreaded Windows "slowdown". F.e., Expose on Mac comes up instantly. But the same feature on Windows 7 is horribly laggy. HOw do you explain that?

Window management is something i clearly think W7 beats SL at (SL was a clear improvement from L though*). In fact, its one of the few things that makes me wish i was using my windows box more often.

As for slow-down, not sure what you are referring to here. My macbook and imac are hardly any better, in fact, id say its worse (but i think that has a lot to do with me running a distributed environment, rather than relying on local installs - but still).

* note to self: turn on minimize to icon, that'll help some (yes, i really need this reminder. i reminded myself far too many times already, this time im putting it in print :D)

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Expose doesn't exist on Windows 7, the closest match is something called "Switcher" which isn't the same thing.

Who cares, i'd take the new task bar over Expose any day of the week. Heck, you can run a hundred windows and still find what you're looking for in a heart-beat. I really cant say the same when im using the mac (this may be due to me being a poor Mac-user, what do i know. even if that is the case, it just goes to show that MSFTs implementation is more "user friendly" in the end).

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Actually it turns out the "Expose" app is from Logitech. No wonder it's laggy, it's not integrated into the OS. The Win 7 dockbar animation are as smooth as anything on OS X.
 
Window management is something i clearly think W7 beats SL at (SL was a clear improvement from L though*). In fact, its one of the few things that makes me wish i was using my windows box more often.

...Who cares, i'd take the new task bar over Expose any day of the week. Heck, you can run a hundred windows and still find what you're looking for in a heart-beat. I really cant say the same when im using the mac (this may be due to me being a poor Mac-user, what do i know. even if that is the case, it just goes to show that MSFTs implementation is more "user friendly" in the end).

For me, it depends on what I'm doing. Like say I'm bouncing between Modo, PS, and Zbrush. On a Mac, with a flip of the wrist, I can bring up Expose and dance back and forth between my three open programs within a split second. And what if I need to organize files between two or more folders alongside these programs? I can just put them in a separate space, and access them in another flick of the wrist. For this type of workflow, I think the OSX UI works out a bit better than the more deliberate setup you've got Win7.

If I'm going through and editing a goodly amount of similar looking files under a single program (like PDF files or something), I like the Windows 7 taskbar. With it, I can click the icon on the taskbar, have them pop up in a neat little stack (since I dock my taskbar on the left side of the screen), then scan my mouse through them until I find the one I'm looking for.

If I had a choice, I'd take the best of both worlds. But unfortunately, I can't, so I'd have to give the nod to OSX just a bit over Win7 when it comes down to windows management. To me, it's a little quicker, and you have a few more options.

But it's not a night or day difference or anything. If I somehow ended up forced to go with one exclusively over the other, I'd be perfectly happy with whichever one I ended up stuck with.
 
Unless Windows 8 gets rid of the dreaded registry, it will be considered lipstick on a pig.

Spoken by someone who doesn't understand the power of what the registry gives you.

If you don't want to use it, don't. For those who do, it's an incredibly powerful tool.

Trouble is, in earlier versions of Windows especially, installed programs (and then uninstalled programs) used to turn the registry into a mess.

Those days are gone. Windows 7 with all various programs I run on it across 5 different devices at home, performs like a champ.
 
Unless Windows 8 gets rid of the dreaded registry, it will be considered lipstick on a pig.

1 Registry > 100,000 plist files.

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Yeah! I had a Windows computer once. Damn thing caught on fire. I thought that was pretty crappy, so I bought an iMac. Haven't had a computer fire since. Coincidence? I think not.

Windows: It Just Doesn't Work™

Or better yet...

Yeah! I have a Windows machine! It love it so much :nervous glance around:! I mean it only crashes when I'm being a bad person :random BSOD:...wait...sorry, had...uh...something else to do for a second. that was totally my fault. Anyway, yeah. I love Windows :flinches:. It only acts buggy because it has to.

Windows: It's like the computer equivalent of stockholm syndrome/battered wives syndrome. But at least you can get on the internet...some of the time™

I had an iMac, it caught fire too.... it melted. So did my Windows PC.

Windows: Without walls.

Maybe you're always being a bad person.

In the past 5 years that I've been using Windows, I am yet to find a BSOD... but I've had 1 KP (running OS X beta).

Windows: Life without Walls; at least there are more colours than the constant grey on the Mac. Yes, I am bored of the Mac UI. I personally find it boring.
 
For me, it depends on what I'm doing. Like say I'm bouncing between Modo, PS, and Zbrush. On a Mac, with a flip of the wrist, I can bring up Expose and dance back and forth between my three open programs within a split second. And what if I need to organize files between two or more folders alongside these programs? I can just put them in a separate space, and access them in another flick of the wrist. For this type of workflow, I think the OSX UI works out a bit better than the more deliberate setup you've got Win7.

If I'm going through and editing a goodly amount of similar looking files under a single program (like PDF files or something), I like the Windows 7 taskbar. With it, I can click the icon on the taskbar, have them pop up in a neat little stack (since I dock my taskbar on the left side of the screen), then scan my mouse through them until I find the one I'm looking for.

If I had a choice, I'd take the best of both worlds. But unfortunately, I can't, so I'd have to give the nod to OSX just a bit over Win7 when it comes down to windows management. To me, it's a little quicker, and you have a few more options.

But it's not a night or day difference or anything. If I somehow ended up forced to go with one exclusively over the other, I'd be perfectly happy with whichever one I ended up stuck with.

I usually find SL doing the job very well as long as i dont need to work with too many windows. Im quite sure that i could make minor adjustments to make myself work with even more windows productively. Further, there are probably tons of other tricks that could push it even more. Like stated though, i really shouldn't have to learn a bunch of stuff to be (as) productive.

Fact is, too many times i find myself struggling to find the window i am looking for* (SL made it better for sure, and minimizing to icon must help too). Sure, im a sucky user - but most probably are. Its the sucky ones like me that need the design to be without flaws! :- )

* cant say i ever had this problem with w7. but yeah, for somethings (and so many windows) the Expose route definitely has its perks.
 
Spoken by someone who doesn't understand the power of what the registry gives you.

If you don't want to use it, don't. For those who do, it's an incredibly powerful tool.

Oh please, spoken like a Microsoft marketing paper. The registry is a pain a to use for anyone and it's not powerful at all. It makes deployment a pain, Hives get stuck all the time and stay in use preventing users from logging in (especially a problem for Terminal Server in application mode and Citrix servers), remote registry is a cludge and doesn't quite offer the manageability it should.

Deploying .reg files and then having to merge them using a local script or hand clicking or an installer ?

*spits*

Give me flat text files anyday, which I can search with grep, edit with sed and awk and mass deploy with SCP scripts.
 
Oh please, spoken like a Microsoft marketing paper. The registry is a pain a to use for anyone and it's not powerful at all. It makes deployment a pain, Hives get stuck all the time and stay in use preventing users from logging in (especially a problem for Terminal Server in application mode and Citrix servers), remote registry is a cludge and doesn't quite offer the manageability it should.

Deploying .reg files and then having to merge them using a local script or hand clicking or an installer ?

*spits*

Give me flat text files anyday, which I can search with grep, edit with sed and awk and mass deploy with SCP scripts.

The .Net team at Microsoft design around the registry all the time, Itś quite entertaining in some ways.

The registry is a pain from a programming point of view too, you don't always know if you have access to a registry key and the process of figuring out that you do is a pain. If a Mac program can't access a plist file it assumes one doesn't exist and creates another one, as long as you access the file through Foundation.

1 Registry > 100,000 plist files.


The registry contains a willy shrivelling amount of keys which are hidden away in the Windows system folders, most of them cryptically named. On Mac OSX we have XML files in known locations with URIs that are based off the program name and company that makes the program.
 
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Oh please, spoken like a Microsoft marketing paper. The registry is a pain a to use for anyone and it's not powerful at all. It makes deployment a pain, Hives get stuck all the time and stay in use preventing users from logging in (especially a problem for Terminal Server in application mode and Citrix servers), remote registry is a cludge and doesn't quite offer the manageability it should.
The Registry isn't hard to use at all. If you know how to configure plist files then the Registry should be no challenge. I've deployed and managed thousands of W7 machines both locally and remotely without any issue.

Deploying .reg files and then having to merge them using a local script or hand clicking or an installer ?
Deploying, splitting, merging, selective or full backups of the registry is no sweat. While I'll admit that there's no perfect solution at the moment, even plist files are a pain to manage. If you have a central application server providing users tens of hundreds of software, backing up all the plist files then having to redeploy them remotely is much harder than dealing with the Registry. Each method does have its share of ups and downs.

A home-user would argue that dealing with that many plist files individually or using a script is easier but when it comes to management over a managed network, time is an issue.
 
The Registry isn't hard to use at all. If you know how to configure plist files then the Registry should be no challenge. I've deployed and managed thousands of W7 machines both locally and remotely without any issue.

plist flies are XML files, anyone who can use a text editor would know how to edit them. Wheras registry has to be accessed through a special program navigating through a cryptic tree. :confused:

Deploying, splitting, merging, selective or full backups of the registry is no sweat. While I'll admit that there's no perfect solution at the moment, even plist files are a pain to manage. If you have a central application server providing users tens of hundreds of software, backing up all the plist files then having to redeploy them remotely is much harder than dealing with the Registry. Each method does have its share of ups and downs.

A home-user would argue that dealing with that many plist files individually or using a script is easier but when it comes to management over a managed network, time is an issue.

You're doing it wrong.
 
plist flies are XML files, anyone who can use a text editor would know how to edit them. Wheras registry has to be accessed through a special program navigating through a cryptic tree.
So the registry has to be accessed via regedit, how does that make it a bad thing? The registry is only cryptic to those who never used Windows before or a complete novice.
 
Who cares, i'd take the new task bar over Expose any day of the week. Heck, you can run a hundred windows and still find what you're looking for in a heart-beat. I really cant say the same when im using the mac (this may be due to me being a poor Mac-user, what do i know. even if that is the case, it just goes to show that MSFTs implementation is more "user friendly" in the end).

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I vastly prefer the Windows+tab to any of the Expose/Switcher/whatever solutions. Even in OSX I used alt+tab more than expose, and now that I have Lion, I'm big into the three finger swipe for apps.
 
editing =/= managing.

Apple provide command line utilities if its really your thing.

There is no need to be pedantic. You perfectly understood what I meant. My question is now, what is your point? Whichever way you look at it, neither system is any easier for a user to infiltrate.
 
Knight, Hyper and I werent talking from a users perspective.

The Registry isn't hard to use at all. If you know how to configure plist files then the Registry should be no challenge. I've deployed and managed thousands of W7 machines both locally and remotely without any issue.
plist flies are XML files, anyone who can use a text editor would know how to edit them. Wheras registry has to be accessed through a special program navigating through a cryptic tree. :confused:
Deploying, splitting, merging, selective or full backups of the registry is no sweat. While I'll admit that there's no perfect solution at the moment, even plist files are a pain to manage. If you have a central application server providing users tens of hundreds of software, backing up all the plist files then having to redeploy them remotely is much harder than dealing with the Registry. Each method does have its share of ups and downs.
You're doing it wrong.

Right. So none of you guys are computer users then? Or anybody to that matter. :rolleyes:
 
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