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I've always wondered why people suggest that John more talented. In terms of musicianship Paul was outstanding, and the guy who wrote most of Sergeant Pepper's and Let It Be can't be all bad :) They were both geniuses

Agreed. Most Beatles songs are distinctly Paul's or distinctly John's (or George). Listen to the playboy Lennon interviews. "That's mine, that's Paul's, that one's mine", etc.
 
She did deserve to walk away with something, and he offered her that something, £15m IIRC.

"The judge added that her tax returns "disclose no charitable giving at all", despite Mills saying she gave "as much as 80% or 90% of her earnings ... direct to charities".

Mills, a self-proclaimed activist, also claimed she would need $1.25 million a year to give to charities, but admitted she would be using $985,000 of that amount for traveling to appearances via helicopters and private jets.

After presiding over the case, Judge Hugh Bennetts opined in his ruling that Mills was her "own worst enemy. She has an explosive and volatile character."

Mills claimed to need $60,000 annually to cover her equestrian needs and $80,000 to pay for her wine consumption.

"In my judgement, Mills’s attitude...is that she is entitled for the indefinite future, if not for the whole of her life, to live at the same 'rate' as McCartney and be kept in the style to which she perceives she was accustomed during the marriage," Bennett wrote.

"Although she strongly denied it, her case boils down to the syndrome of 'me, too' or 'if he has it, I want it too.' "

Though he awarded Mills close to $50 million—almost $34,000 for each day she was married to McCartney—Bennett made it clear he did not approve of her actions.

"In light of McCartney’s generosity towards her...I find Mills's behavior distinctly distasteful," he wrote.

There are plenty more quotes where those come from, and I think at this point they illustrate just how indefensible Ms. Mills' case is. If she even remotely reflected the kind of the activist she claims to be, she would have been more than satisfied with what was offered, and certainly wouldn't be needing multithousands for wine and hundreds of thousands for private jets and helicoptors.

Some of the activists I know live below the poverty line in order to devote the time and energy into their causes. As someone who is very active in the Canadian and US equivalents of the UK causes Ms. Mills claims to support, I am extremely disappointed in her hypocritical and flat-out greedy behaviour.
 
My view is that while she's behaved absurdly at times, that doesn't deserve the hatred heaped upon her, especially when weighed up against the irrational deference shown to Paul McCartney... Sir Paul? Don't make me laugh.

There's a piece in today's Guardian that sums my views up pretty well, and I particularly like this quote:

"when a man calls a woman a whore, he usually means two things: that she enjoys sex too much, and she isn't doing it with him"

:D


Anyway, here you go. It's a bit long but deserves rereading, especially for those who feel free to use the word 'bitch' for someone they don't even know. Should give a few of us some pause for thought.

http://lifeandhealth.guardian.co.uk/women/story/0,,2266631,00.html
 
Anyway, here you go. It's a bit long but deserves rereading, especially for those who feel free to use the word 'bitch' for someone they don't even know. Should give a few of us some pause for thought.

http://lifeandhealth.guardian.co.uk/women/story/0,,2266631,00.html

The arrows at the end of the left-hand navigation make the centre column of text seem like a bulleted list. If it's driving me nuts, I can only imagine the effect it had on you.

Your Sun newspaper reminds me of our Sun, if it's to be judged by it's outrageous headlines.

This is true, and there is certainly a strong feminist yearning to defend Mills, to get behind a woman facing a nightmarish barrage of criticism. And yet, for all that we can occasionally empathise with her unhappiness, her bitterness, her anger, Mills does make it difficult to stay resolutely on her side.

This is what spoke to me the most, of the article. I didn't go into this believing any of the tabloids -- like you, I have no cable, no newspapers, no magazines -- but it's difficult to empathize with someone who continually makes the claims she does. I don't agree with 99% of the mud slung at her, but I also can't defend her claims or actions.
 
I agree that shes a crazy money grabber, but it does feel a little like we're flogging a dead horse now.

I know her face is a little long, but that's not very nice. ;)

There's a piece in today's Guardian that sums my views up pretty well, and I particularly like this quote:

"when a man calls a woman a whore, he usually means two things: that she enjoys sex too much, and she isn't doing it with him"

It's also just a derogatory term, you know.

I wouldn't ever have sex with her, and I don't care if she enjoys sex. In my mind, a woman is a whore if she sells her body (for sexual acts etc) for money.

Whereas Heather is a bitch.

And you have a chip on your shoulder I think - there's a bit of feminism coming through your posts ;)
 
And you have a chip on your shoulder I think - there's a bit of feminism coming through your posts ;)


I have no chip on my shoulder. And holding feminist views isn't a crime; in fact, if you know anything about feminism, it's part of an ongoing debate in society about affording dignity to all people, regardless of who or what they are.

Much of the public criticism leveled at Heather Mills has been of the most misogynistic and crude kind, and people who can't see that are blind to their own prejudices and double standards.
 
I have no chip on my shoulder. And holding feminist views isn't a crime; in fact, if you know anything about feminism, it's part of an ongoing debate in society about affording dignity to all people, regardless of who or what they are.

Much of the public criticism leveled at Heather Mills has been of the most misogynistic and crude kind, and people who can't see that are blind to their own prejudices and double standards.

Fair enough. I am in complete favour of equal things to people that work equally as hard etc etc ... don't get me wrong.

I agree that probably most men would call a woman a whore because of the two reasons you linked to, but I just wouldn't.

I don't like heather mills one bit. I don't like the whole celebrity thing going on at the moment either. I don't like much at the moment, I'll be honest.
 
I don't like heather mills one bit.


I don't think I'd like her much if I met her either... but I'm also careful to recognise just exactly how my views of her are shaped by elements of the media because I've never met her in person.

She sounds a bit loopy and self-obsessed at times, but that doesn't hurt anyone.
 
I don't think I'd like her much if I met her either... but I'm also careful to recognise just exactly how my views of her are shaped by elements of the media because I've never met her in person.

She sounds a bit loopy and self-obsessed at times, but that doesn't hurt anyone.

It's the greed that makes me hate her. £125M ? :rolleyes:
 
Much of the public criticism leveled at Heather Mills has been of the most misogynistic and crude kind, and people who can't see that are blind to their own prejudices and double standards.
Using the same standard, clearly there would also seem to be others on this thread who show quite the hated toward men. N.B.
 
Using the same standard, clearly there would also seem to be others on this thread who show quite the hated toward men. N.B.

If you are referring to me, you don't have the slightest clue what you are talking about.
 
It's strange how personal people can get about those they have never met.


Whereas you and I can get as personal as we like. :eek: :D

Still, Heather Mills, just on my brief view of her, would be well-advised to keep a low profile for a while. She should have hired Max Clifford and a good lawyer, and certainly not represented herself in court.
 
I think that's the bit that gets me. She seems to me to be very arrogant and by her thinking she can beat experienced lawyers kind of proves it.

I believe it was reported that financial concerns played a part in her deciding to abandon Counsel and represent herself.

Coming to the end of almost 3 years of litigation myself, I can appreciate the difficult she had in making that decision.
 
If you are referring to me, you don't have the slightest clue what you are talking about.
Well you seem to have taken a stance of "all men deserve to get taken to the cleaners" where most other people here -- of both sexes -- had their fairness-meters completed pegged. Being of the opinion that her settlement was completely off the charts given the circumstances as we know them doesn't make anyone a misogynist, fergawdzsakes. Neither does the odd bit of humor.

Maybe this is somehow very personal to you?
 
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bloody hell only 35k, she don't think about all those kids in the world that get f-all!!! I understand that she wants her daugter to have a good life but jeez! money is not everything, we are skint but 'happy'
 
The woman is a calculating gold digger and the poor child probably only exists because her mother figured shed get a way better divorce settlement with a baby in tow.

What I'd really, really, like is for the UK and world media to blackball Heather Mills and refuse to cover any story she's involved in ever again, as that is the only thing that would really annoy her.
 
Just where did I say that?

I think it was on another Heather Mills thread but I do remember reading something to that effect.

PS. I'm working with a girl (OK, 32) who supported her out of work husband for some years, then they decided to divorce so now she gets to lose her house to pay him off.
He kindly settled for only £25K Uk pounds.

Oh. He also wanted the dog. I kid you not.
 
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