Ming-Chi Kuo Says All 2017 iPhones Will Have Lightning Connectors With USB-C Fast Charging

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    All three iPhones rumored to be launched in 2017 will retain Lightning connectors with the addition of USB-C Power Delivery for faster charging, including an all-new OLED model with a larger L-shaped battery and updated 4.7-inch and 5.5-inch models, according to KGI Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo.


    An excerpt from his latest research note obtained by MacRumors:
    Kuo expects Apple to retain the Lightning port given it has a slightly slimmer design compared to a USB-C port, to sustain MFi Program licensing income from Lightning accessories, and because he believes USB-C's high-speed data transmission is "still a niche application" for iPhone.

    The 12.9-inch iPad Pro already supports USB 3.0 speeds and fast charging with a Lightning to USB-C cable, while iPhones and other devices with a Lightning connector still transfer at USB 2.0 speeds.

    Kuo's prediction comes just two days after The Wall Street Journal seemingly reported that at least one upcoming iPhone model would have a USB-C port instead of a Lightning connector. However, the report's wording was somewhat vague and sparked a lot of confusing reaction among the Apple community.

    Apple's latest MacBook Pro models are equipped with Thunderbolt 3 ports, which share the same connector design as USB-C, while the 12-inch MacBook also has a USB-C port. Apple could still bundle a Lightning to USB-C cable with its next iPhones to allow for connectivity with those notebooks out of the box.

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  2. Klososky macrumors newbie


    Jun 24, 2007
    Oklahoma City, OK
    I hope this means data transfer via Lightning won't still be limited to USB 2.0 speeds.
  3. Zaft macrumors 68040


    Jun 16, 2009
    Brooklyn, NY
  4. tasset, Mar 2, 2017
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    tasset macrumors 6502a

    May 22, 2007
    There we go. I wouldn't mind USB-C for all devices, but I just don't see Apple going through the pain of doing so now when they are clearly heading towards zero wires soon.
    2017 (8), 2018 (8S), 2019 (9) = lightning and wireless charging
    2020 = iPhone 10 wireless only
  5. decafjava, Mar 2, 2017
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    decafjava macrumors 68030


    Feb 7, 2011
    Yes, fast-charging would be a great feature.
  6. noobinator, Mar 2, 2017
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    noobinator macrumors 603


    Jun 19, 2009
    Pasadena, CA
  7. GubbyMan macrumors 6502


    Apr 3, 2011
    I trust Kuo more than anyone else but this makes me sad. We could have had a future where the only cable we need is USB-C. Instead, we will have 2 different cables. At least I hope that we will get a USB-C to Lightning so we can connect iPhones to MacBooks.
  8. DCJ001 macrumors 6502


    Dec 12, 2007
    It also sounds like people who have the 29W MacBook charger with a Lightning to USB-C cable who use it to charge The 12.9 inch iPad Pro twice as quickly will be able to charge the new iPhones with it much more quickly.
  9. AG.47, Mar 2, 2017
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    AG.47 macrumors newbie

    Apr 14, 2016
    It's nice to see Apple catching up with other manufacturers: OLED, edge-to-edge display, big batteries, fast charging and wireless charging have all been available on Android phones for a few years now.
  10. gorkt macrumors 6502a


    Sep 15, 2007
    I have been hoping for fast charging for awhile now. If I can add 20% charge in a few minutes, then totally battery becomes less important (although you still have to worry about days where you don't have access to power).
  11. JeffyTheQuik macrumors 68020


    Aug 27, 2014
    Charleston, SC and Everett, WA
    I'm hoping for USB-C.

    As for replacing Lightning charge cords, that won't be a problem. They have a 3-7 month lifetime anyway.
  12. jonnyb098 macrumors 68030


    Nov 16, 2010
    Should they also catch up with the likes of Samsung and make their phones catch fire?
  13. KPOM macrumors G5

    Oct 23, 2010
    Agreed. Existing devices will still work, but USB-C to Lightning will enable faster charging.
  14. Chupa Chupa macrumors G5

    Chupa Chupa

    Jul 16, 2002
    I hope that also means fast data transfer. As the iPhone's internal storage increases updating apps has become quite a chore. (I still tether to my Mac and I don't have auto update on because I don't always want to update an app the minute it's released).
  15. KPOM macrumors G5

    Oct 23, 2010
    Those cables exist today. If Apple includes it in the box they will likely leave out the USB-A to Lightning cable. So lots of people will have to buy the older cable separately.
  16. jayducharme macrumors 68040


    Jun 22, 2006
    The thick of it
    How about alternative-fact-charging?

    Apple seems to be in a transitional phases with its connections. Will they ship a Lightning-to-USB-C cable with the new phones, so they're compatible with the new computers? Or will they still have the old USB cables, requiring a dongle to connect to their own machines? It's getting messy. I agree that wireless connection makes sense, but we're not there yet and this transition is getting a bit confusing.
  17. chrisbru macrumors 6502a


    May 8, 2008
    Austin, TX
  18. GeneralChang macrumors 65816

    Dec 2, 2013
    Well, I'm actually kinda drowning in unused USB-A to Lightning cables from all my past devices, so I'd probably be okay with it.
  19. BaccaBossMC macrumors regular


    Jul 8, 2016
    Nursing Home of the U.S.
    I would love if this made it to the iPhone, but as other users have mentioned, high temperatures and fire hazards are a huge issue. We do not want a Note7 or J5 on our burnt hands. If Apple could properly implement it, however, then I'm all for it.
  20. Zaft macrumors 68040


    Jun 16, 2009
    Brooklyn, NY
    true, but the issue with those phones is the word "android".
    Software is key.
  21. dukeOfPrunes macrumors member

    Apr 10, 2015
    I would prefer an all USB-C solution, but there are several recent products with lightning which makes me think Apple won't be transitioning to USB-C across the board.

    Specifically thinking of AirPods and Apple Pencil, as well as Magic Keyboard, Trackpad and Mouse.
  22. d4zza macrumors member

    Oct 12, 2011
    Which is fine. Most iPhone users I know, including myself, don't need to be right on the edge of new tech. I usually find that new iPhone features are reliable which is a bigger priority to me than new bells and whistles.

    I only say that from my own Android experiences having new tech implemented but unreliable, not sure if it's like that for every user/model.
  23. LordQ Suspended


    Sep 22, 2012
    So it will include a cable like the one offered for iPad Pro right?

    Wondering if the charging cube will be updated as well.
  24. Mad Mac Maniac macrumors 601

    Mad Mac Maniac

    Oct 4, 2007
    A little bit of here and a little bit of there.
    I agree. Personally I wouldn't mind either way, but when you realize how much Apple has expanded lighting in just the last 1-2 years, it wouldn't make any sense for them to switch.
  25. MrX8503 macrumors 68020

    Sep 19, 2010
    1. OLED wasn't mature and Apple has to manufacture 50M+ of them. Not so easy.
    2. Agreed, but no curve please.
    3. Big batteries != Battery life
    4. Fast charging would be nice. 12w chargers helps a bit.
    5. Is nice, but causes more heat with the body being glass and the charge being wireless.

    Looking at these points it's no wonder the Note 7 exploded.

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