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In which universe? I can tell you, that at most I get 50MBps, that is roughly 400Mbps, or just under USB2 speeds (480Mbps) via a USB3 port. I even believe that the specs for even the 7 state it's USB2 speeds.
Check out this MR article from 2015.
The iPad Pro can already support usb3 speeds and so if Apple simply updates the proper component in this years iPhone then you would get usb3 speeds while still using the same lightning connector as before.
 
Check out this MR article from 2015.
The iPad Pro can already support usb3 speeds and so if Apple simply updates the proper component in this years iPhone then you would get usb3 speeds while still using the same lightning connector as before.

Well, what are they waiting for? the iPhone PRO. Really a DICK move if you ask me. USB 3 has been around for 8+ years, yet, we suffer with for the slow USB2 speeds on these large disk space phones. You wait, when they do move to USB3 or USB3.1 speeds on these phones, it will be INNOVATING...
 
I think I've got... 12 lightning cables in my house? One of which is from an iPhone 5, and has been in use constantly since lightning was introduced? Something like that. And they're all still fine, though the two from the latest iPhones are still in their boxes.

So maybe I'm an outlier in the way I treat my cables, but I'm pretty sure that it's not just "every once in a while a cable gets made right by accident."
My kids aren't as nice as my non-existent cats.

Just because my experience is different from yours doesn't mean one of us is wrong.
 
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Check out this MR article from 2015.
The iPad Pro can already support usb3 speeds and so if Apple simply updates the proper component in this years iPhone then you would get usb3 speeds while still using the same lightning connector as before.

Nope. The 12.9" iPad Pro referenced in that article has 16 signal pins. The iPhone 7 and all other existing Lightning iOS devices have only 8 signal pins.

Apple does need to "turn on" the faster speeds, but only devices with the correct port and cable hardware will be able to access it.
 
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I say FIRE Jony. He's a creative turd when left to his own devices. Thin notebooks that overheat and keyboards stop working. Ugly damn GUI changes that don't respect conventions.... Bring back Scott Forestall.
Um, one of the best things about the new MacBook Pros is that, unlike the 2015 models, they DON'T overheat. AT ALL.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Apple-MacBook-Pro-15-Late-2016-2-6-GHz-i7-Notebook-Review.185254.0.html


That's why, in the real-world, the 2016 MBPs whip ALL over the 2015 models, EVEN THOUGH THE CPU IS SLIGHTLY SLOWER.

 
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Ming-Chi must have a red phone on his desk that only rings from Apple. Didn't take long for Apple to shoot down the USB-C rumor. I wonder how fast fast is? Apple will be able to advertise "fast" charging to combat their rivals, but will it be as fast as Quick Charge 3.0, etc. I think not unless they increase the diameter of the USB-C-Lightning cable.

No need for a red phone, common sense should've told anyone that the iPhone won't be getting a USB-C port instead of Lightning...
 
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Um, one of the best things about the new MacBook Pros is that, unlike the 2015 models, they DON'T overheat. AT ALL.


First of all, I didn't give a year for the machines overheating (Jony has been in charge for a lot longer than the 2016 models) and secondly, I guess I just imagined this news/thread awhile back:

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...wners-experiencing-keyboard-problems.2033781/

It says the keyboard issues largely only happen when the notebook is warm. That doesn't imply overall overheating, but it certainly implied to me their quest for paper-thin notebooks is leading to ever-poorer changes including keyboards that stop working when the machine gets warm. There was a whole other thread about the poor design choices (slow GPU, slower CPUs, lack of any port other than USB-C which hasn't been well adopted yet so a USB-A port might have been a good idea, lack of Lightning port, etc., some models with only Thunderbolt on one side, etc.)

A poor design is a poor design and Jony is in charge so he takes the blame. I haven't REALLY liked a Macbook Pro since I bought my 2008 model (and even it had a lot of faulty NVidia chips and yellow screen issues at the time; fortunately, mine apparently wasn't one of them).
 
People wondering the charging cube will be updated aren't thinking about how the world will look in September. All the iMacs will be updated to have mainly if not exclusively USB-C ports. The iPhone will be a high end device. I'm really pretty confident that the charging cube will use a USB-C port. I suspect the iPads coming out this Spring will have USB-C charging cubes as well. Nice way to get a test run before the money maker iPhone makes changes. Also it "seeds" the environment with more USB-C ports which will make charging your iPhone a bit easier.

I'm confident Lightning isn't going away until wireless charging becomes the standard. Lightning is just a really good charging solution. This is especially if it can handle quick charge.

I agree with everything you said, especially since I use a Nexus 6p, but they already made the decision which port will be used, so they won't be testing the iPad and make changes accordingly. I own the 2016 MBP too. Fast charging is now a necessity for me, and USB-C is superior in every way. I wouldn't consider a new phone without it.
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Ok, this is a plausible rumor that actually makes sense.

Getting rid of the Lightning port would have been singlehandedly the worst decision they could have made. However, the audio port needed to go, let's be honest (for all you iOS haters out there).

Phil Schiller made a point on stage during the iPhone 7 announcement that there are millions of Lightning connected accessories in the world. Why would Apple give that up? I'm all for USB-C but as the end connection to my computer or power source, but NOT on iOS devices.

Anyone heard of Benson Leung? He is an engineer at Google who reviews USB-C cables on Amazon and other sites. There are a number of reviews from him where he slams the manufacturer for producing a poor product that is either a fire hazard or shorts out the device because of overload. USB-C needs to be better regulated before it is widely adopted.

Apple has the strictest requirements for cable quality. Can you imagine people going to an Apple store with their iPhone complaining how a USB-C cable shorted their device? Yeah I can't either. That is why Apple will continue to use Lightning for their most popular product.

The Lightning port is here to stay for a long time. USB-A isn't.
How would USB-C short their device? And if they have the strictest requirements for cable quality, they have a low standard cause they're not durable at all. I own a 2016 MBP and 6p, so I'm all for USB-C, but I do agree with you that they shouldn't make the conversion on the next iPhone yet.
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That alone says something many people don't get. Apple doesn't adopt tech into their products unless they developed it themselves or the third party tech has been perfected to a decent enough level.

At least that's what I see.

I wish they went fully USB-C, but perhaps they want to avoid exploding phones/electrocution lawsuits.

That wasn't the case with the 5k LG monitor.

And I don't know why so many people are correlating the Notes that caught fire with USB-C. Every other newer Android phone uses the port without issue. One has nothing to do with the other. It's a lazy argument without merit.
 
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Well, the S6 series, Note 5 and S7 series all have glass bodies,wireless charging and fast charge. Tens of millions of handsets. Models further back than that have Amoled panels. No issues.

Wireless charge is a bit of a gimmick, Amoled screens are just fantastic, and people won't remember how bad it was for regular charging, when most phones have quick charge down the road. To come home from work, put the phone on a charger, make a snack or have a shower, and have your phone ready and replenished with enough battery to get you through the rest of the evening is unbelievably handy.

With the ever increasing battery capacity and reduction of volume it was only a matter of time. Samsung was playing with fire and they got burned.
 
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Well, what are they waiting for? the iPhone PRO. Really a DICK move if you ask me. USB 3 has been around for 8+ years, yet, we suffer with for the slow USB2 speeds on these large disk space phones. You wait, when they do move to USB3 or USB3.1 speeds on these phones, it will be INNOVATING...
Nobody asked you.
And no one cares about USB 3 because no one transfers data over USB to iPhone anymore. Or did you not get the memo?
 
Nobody asked you.
And no one cares about USB 3 because no one transfers data over USB to iPhone anymore. Or did you not get the memo?
WOW, who pissed your Wheaties this morning? Just because you don't use cables to transfer data from/to your iPhone, doesn't mean the entire world doesn't use them. But go ahead an feel free to tell me I am wrong, because obvious, you are the only one matters when it comes to apple products and how they produce them
 
FWIW I use cable to transfer stuff off and on my iPhone, in particular photos since I don't use iCloud photos and make iTunes backups.
 
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First of all, I didn't give a year for the machines overheating (Jony has been in charge for a lot longer than the 2016 models) and secondly, I guess I just imagined this news/thread awhile back:

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...wners-experiencing-keyboard-problems.2033781/

It says the keyboard issues largely only happen when the notebook is warm. That doesn't imply overall overheating, but it certainly implied to me their quest for paper-thin notebooks is leading to ever-poorer changes including keyboards that stop working when the machine gets warm. There was a whole other thread about the poor design choices (slow GPU, slower CPUs, lack of any port other than USB-C which hasn't been well adopted yet so a USB-A port might have been a good idea, lack of Lightning port, etc., some models with only Thunderbolt on one side, etc.)

A poor design is a poor design and Jony is in charge so he takes the blame. I haven't REALLY liked a Macbook Pro since I bought my 2008 model (and even it had a lot of faulty NVidia chips and yellow screen issues at the time; fortunately, mine apparently wasn't one of them).
Very unlikely that the keyboards are being affected by temperature changes, since the highest case temp. that the ridiculously-thorough German review noted was 40 deg. C, or just 3 degrees C above the 37 deg. C that denotes normal (internal) body temperature.

Personally, I would say that temperature is likely a red-herring when it comes to the keyboard issues.

It is also quite ridiculous for you to ignore the incredibly-detailed performance comparisons between the 2016 15" MBP and other laptops with supposedly superior GPUs. Yes, there are a few that are faster; but the MBP is right in there near, or sometimes even at, the top of the list.

And as far as the CPU is concerned, both of the reviews I cited stated that the complete lack of thermal throttling more than makes up for the slightly slower max. speed. Afterall, what good is an extra 400 MHz if you can only achieve that speed for 30 seconds before the thermal throttling starts kicking-in? Again, in real-world use, the MBP kicks ass, mostly due to the highly-successful thermal management.

Oh, and Jony Ive had a hand in that part, too, ya know...

Oh, and I notice you didn't mention the stellar, nearly gigabit-speed, WiFi performance of the 2016 15" MBP. Is that because it doesn't fit your narrative? According to the German review, the MBP has almost 300 MEGABITS per second WiFi transmit AND receive on the closest competitor. That's not "nothing", when it comes to real-world use.

And if we're Hating on Jony Ive for everything, then he should get credit for that, too, don'tcha think?

As for the USB-C/TB3 ports, you are simply LYING when you state that the right-side USB-C/TB ports in the 13" non-TouchBar MBP are NOT Thunderbolt. They are in fact, TB; but essentially at TB2 speeds, due to the lack of enough PCIe lanes on the CPU to do TB3 on all the ports on the 13" model. But that STILL means that the 13" MBP has as much I/O Bandwidth as the 2013 Mac Pro, 60 Gbps. And if you want to see what you can do with just ONE TB2 Port, here you go:

https://eshop.macsales.com/shop/Thunderbolt/Dock/OWC/Thunderbolt2-Dock/

As for the "dongle world", I believe the second review I posted clearly explained what a tempest-in-a-teapot that whole "issue" is. And in another year or so, nobody will even "remember when". You DO plan on keeping a laptop purchased today for more than a couple of years, right? Well, in that time, you'd be kicking yourself for not being able to take advantage of USB-C/TB3 devices; because guess what? You can ALWAYS go SLOWER on a Port; but you just can't make a slow port FASTER...

Same thing with the "Lack of a Lightning Port". Apple has NEVER put a Lightning-Port on ANY of their computers; why-oh-why is it such a hand-wringer NOW?!? Wanna hook your iPhone to your new MBP? Here you go:

https://www.amazon.com/BC-Master-Lightning-Connector-Chromebook/dp/B01KO5NJ44

or, just use your current USB-A to Lightning "Charging Cable" with this $2 snap-on:

https://www.amazon.com/Adapter-Hi-speed-Devices-MacBook-ChromeBook/dp/B01LHBFCEO

Sorry, your "whining" is just that. Whining without facts to back it up.
 
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WOW, who pissed your Wheaties this morning? Just because you don't use cables to transfer data from/to your iPhone, doesn't mean the entire world doesn't use them. But go ahead an feel free to tell me I am wrong, because obvious, you are the only one matters when it comes to apple products and how they produce them
The entire world doesn't use them. Syncing is so 2009. This is why there is no hurry to move to USB 3 speed, despite it being possible for years.
 
Very unlikely that the keyboards are being affected by temperature changes, since the highest case temp. that the ridiculously-thorough German review noted was 40 deg. C, or just 3 degrees C above the 37 deg. C that denotes normal (internal) body temperature.

I didn't do the report. I just read it. If YOU choose to not believe their report, go ahead. I don't give a flying rat's hind quarter what you believe. The length of your reply and sheer attitude problem tells me you are taking all this personally for reasons only a fanatic could possibly understand. You must LOVE your Macook Pro. Other people are clearly not pleased with it AT ALL as the intro thread for this notebook plainly show and you can't handle that. But that is YOUR problem not mine and so you will have to deal with it. I personally couldn't care less. I simply wont buy one. They need to fix their keyboard problems, offer a USB-A port since most things still use USB-A and I'm tired to being told to buy overpriced Apple adapters (you pointing to some generic POS for $2 has NOTHING to do with Apple themselves. Their adapters DO NOT cost $2 and never have and never will. They make too much money off these adapters and so they keep creating more and more connectors that REQUIRE adapters to do a single damn thing.

What's the current report on the next iPhone's continued use of Lightning ports? It says point blank one of the two reason they refuse to switch to USB-C on the iPhone is that they make a LOT of money selling licenses to 3rd parties to use their Lightning adapter and they're not about to give up that money to make the consumer happy or to make life easier or better for the consumer. That should tell you evrything you need to know about Apple and their priorities. Forget being the best. They're out to rape the consumer for every last dime and people like you want us all to be happy about that! Unreal.

It is also quite ridiculous for you to ignore the incredibly-detailed performance comparisons between the 2016 15" MBP and other laptops with supposedly superior GPUs. Yes, there are a few that are faster; but the MBP is right in there near, or sometimes even at, the top of the list.

Ignoring? If a notebook can't play 2017 games and is good only for Flappy Birds, I'd call that underpowered. When a $400 console can run circles around it, I'd call that underpowered.

Oh, and I notice you didn't mention the stellar, nearly gigabit-speed, WiFi performance of the 2016 15" MBP. Is that because it doesn't fit your narrative?

If by not fitting my narrative, you mean it has NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING I had to say, then yes, I'd say that's it exactly. I didn't talk about the hard drive speed either (just its piddly size for the extremely high basic price) or the trackpad since I don't have a complaint about them. Why would I bring up WiFi speeds when it has nothing to do with my issues with the notebook? This seems like a "change the subject" tactic. Hey, go investigate how they allegedly bugged my phone instead of talking about how I colluded with a foreign power to get into power!

And if we're Hating on Jony Ive for everything, then he should get credit for that, too, don'tcha think?

Your statement makes no sense. Besides, Jony didn't make that WiFi chip. He did at least approve the ever-thinner cases that leave no room for higher powered better performing chips. Not everyone uses their notebook in battery mode all the time. Some of us would like a desktop-level notebook when it is docked. Apple could have provided a dock for this USB-C only connection notebook. They chose to get out of docks, monitors and routers and instead to invest heavily into ever-increasing numbers of PAIN IN THE KEYSTOR ADAPTERS.

As for the USB-C/TB3 ports, you are simply LYING when you state that the right-side USB-C/TB ports in the 13" non-TouchBar MBP are NOT Thunderbolt. They are in fact, TB; but essentially at TB2 speeds, due to the lack of enough PCIe lanes on the CPU to do TB3 on all the ports on the 13" model. But that STILL means that the 13" MBP has as much I/O Bandwidth as the 2013 Mac Pro, 60 Gbps. And if you want to see what you can do with just ONE TB2 Port, here you go:

Thunderbolt 2 is simply not acceptable on a Thunderbolt 3 machine.

As for the "dongle world", I believe the second review I posted clearly explained what a tempest-in-a-teapot that whole "issue" is. And in another year or so, nobody will even "remember when". You DO plan on keeping a laptop purchased today for more than a couple of years, right? Well, in that time, you'd be kicking yourself for not being able to take advantage of USB-C/TB3 devices; because guess what? You can ALWAYS go SLOWER on a Port; but you just can't make a slow port FASTER...

There is no restriction for USB 3.x speeds on a USB-A connector. Including one extra USB-A connector for backwards compatibility with everything from an older (or newer since most new one still use USB-A as well) but still useful backup drive to a simple MOUSE, you have to get your adapter(s) out every single time for every single product. If you only kept this notebook for 3 years, you will NOT have anywhere near 100% USB-C products in that time. This model should have included the extra port for that reason alone. But keep on defending a bad decision by Jony.

Same thing with the "Lack of a Lightning Port". Apple has NEVER put a Lightning-Port on ANY of their computers; why-oh-why is it such a hand-wringer NOW?!?

Calm down guy. You're going to have a stroke at that rate. The why NOW is simple. Apple has moved to 100% USB-C ports on these notebooks. There are NO other ports. NONE. ZERO. Yet they have just announced they are going to continue to use Lightning on their next iPhone while even changing the standards of it to use "some" of the USB-C features (well fast charging anyway). The ONLY reason they are not going USB-C is because they make more money by charging license fees for their propriety garbage than using the WORLD STANDARD of USB-C on it. You will need a different cable or adapter to even connect it to the Macbook Pro since the included cables are USB-A on the other end. Apple is 100% responsible for this nonsense and it didn't have to be that way, but thankfully, they have YOU to defend their bonehead moves. ;)

Sorry, your "whining" is just that. Whining without facts to back it up.

I'm sorry, but we both know that's a load of horse manure. Other than the Thunderbolt 2 thing, everything I said is 100% accurate and correct. Whether you don't mind those shortcomings or design decisions is one thing. I cannot control what people like or don't like in a product. But telling me what I'm "whining" about has no basis in facts is just plain nonsense. Apple could have made this a GREAT notebook with a few basic changes.

But then Apple could have kept OpenGL fully up-to-date too. And they could have fixed the sleep bug with NFS networking (there is STILL no sleep token to keep the machine from sleeping if you use NFS which is 100% fully UNIX supported and therfore a part of macOS, but Apple ignores it and lets the machine sleep even if your computer is in the middle of transferring huge files. I've reported that bug at least 3 times personally and they continue to IGNORE IT while putting resources into making pastel colored icons and color-changing "night modes" instead. It's nice to know Apple has its priorities straight. :apple:
 
I didn't do the report. I just read it. If YOU choose to not believe their report, go ahead. I don't give a flying rat's hind quarter what you believe. The length of your reply and sheer attitude problem tells me you are taking all this personally for reasons only a fanatic could possibly understand. You must LOVE your Macook Pro. Other people are clearly not pleased with it AT ALL as the intro thread for this notebook plainly show and you can't handle that. But that is YOUR problem not mine and so you will have to deal with it. I personally couldn't care less. I simply wont buy one. They need to fix their keyboard problems, offer a USB-A port since most things still use USB-A and I'm tired to being told to buy overpriced Apple adapters (you pointing to some generic POS for $2 has NOTHING to do with Apple themselves. Their adapters DO NOT cost $2 and never have and never will. They make too much money off these adapters and so they keep creating more and more connectors that REQUIRE adapters to do a single damn thing.

What's the current report on the next iPhone's continued use of Lightning ports? It says point blank one of the two reason they refuse to switch to USB-C on the iPhone is that they make a LOT of money selling licenses to 3rd parties to use their Lightning adapter and they're not about to give up that money to make the consumer happy or to make life easier or better for the consumer. That should tell you evrything you need to know about Apple and their priorities. Forget being the best. They're out to rape the consumer for every last dime and people like you want us all to be happy about that! Unreal.



Ignoring? If a notebook can't play 2017 games and is good only for Flappy Birds, I'd call that underpowered. When a $400 console can run circles around it, I'd call that underpowered.



If by not fitting my narrative, you mean it has NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING I had to say, then yes, I'd say that's it exactly. I didn't talk about the hard drive speed either (just its piddly size for the extremely high basic price) or the trackpad since I don't have a complaint about them. Why would I bring up WiFi speeds when it has nothing to do with my issues with the notebook? This seems like a "change the subject" tactic. Hey, go investigate how they allegedly bugged my phone instead of talking about how I colluded with a foreign power to get into power!



Your statement makes no sense. Besides, Jony didn't make that WiFi chip. He did at least approve the ever-thinner cases that leave no room for higher powered better performing chips. Not everyone uses their notebook in battery mode all the time. Some of us would like a desktop-level notebook when it is docked. Apple could have provided a dock for this USB-C only connection notebook. They chose to get out of docks, monitors and routers and instead to invest heavily into ever-increasing numbers of PAIN IN THE KEYSTOR ADAPTERS.



Thunderbolt 2 is simply not acceptable on a Thunderbolt 3 machine.



There is no restriction for USB 3.x speeds on a USB-A connector. Including one extra USB-A connector for backwards compatibility with everything from an older (or newer since most new one still use USB-A as well) but still useful backup drive to a simple MOUSE, you have to get your adapter(s) out every single time for every single product. If you only kept this notebook for 3 years, you will NOT have anywhere near 100% USB-C products in that time. This model should have included the extra port for that reason alone. But keep on defending a bad decision by Jony.



Calm down guy. You're going to have a stroke at that rate. The why NOW is simple. Apple has moved to 100% USB-C ports on these notebooks. There are NO other ports. NONE. ZERO. Yet they have just announced they are going to continue to use Lightning on their next iPhone while even changing the standards of it to use "some" of the USB-C features (well fast charging anyway). The ONLY reason they are not going USB-C is because they make more money by charging license fees for their propriety garbage than using the WORLD STANDARD of USB-C on it. You will need a different cable or adapter to even connect it to the Macbook Pro since the included cables are USB-A on the other end. Apple is 100% responsible for this nonsense and it didn't have to be that way, but thankfully, they have YOU to defend their bonehead moves. ;)



I'm sorry, but we both know that's a load of horse manure. Other than the Thunderbolt 2 thing, everything I said is 100% accurate and correct. Whether you don't mind those shortcomings or design decisions is one thing. I cannot control what people like or don't like in a product. But telling me what I'm "whining" about has no basis in facts is just plain nonsense. Apple could have made this a GREAT notebook with a few basic changes.

But then Apple could have kept OpenGL fully up-to-date too. And they could have fixed the sleep bug with NFS networking (there is STILL no sleep token to keep the machine from sleeping if you use NFS which is 100% fully UNIX supported and therfore a part of macOS, but Apple ignores it and lets the machine sleep even if your computer is in the middle of transferring huge files. I've reported that bug at least 3 times personally and they continue to IGNORE IT while putting resources into making pastel colored icons and color-changing "night modes" instead. It's nice to know Apple has its priorities straight. :apple:

Seems like a lot of whining to me...
 
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