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Apple can do an end-run around Amazon, by releasing a 11" or so voice kiosk, not a lousy 7" one. If I'm in the kitchen washing dishes, maybe I'd like to yell at my kiosk to show me my youtube subscriptions...but I don't ant to watch them on a tiny 7" screen.
 
I'm not sure I understand the point of this new iPad. Is it going to have new features? Is it going to take advantage of the slightly larger screen space? Even the much larger Pro doesn't do this. The 9.7" pro is already a good sized screen. If anything they should eliminate the bezels of the current size iPad and create one that has a smaller form factor.
as a 12.9" user I'm eagerly waiting for the new form factor, because I love the big screen, but the ipad overall is too massive. The smaller screen of the 9.7 is too tiny for me now. Something in between would be more than welcome!
 
I wonder if the expected bezel free 10.5 inch iPad will be priced as exorbitantly as the upcoming rumoured iPhone 8/Edition is rumoured to be?
 
I don' t think they share the same design features.
Everyone is all over this design of the iPad Pro 10.5 without bezels. But it will still have bezels, and a physical touchid homebutton or a homebutton with force touch like the iphone 7/plus .They will just shrink the bezels, and there still will be room left for the homebutton.
I think a solid state Home button is a reasonable possibility for the upcoming iPad Pro.

I'm not sure why the iPad Pro 10.5" is generally assumed to be bezel-free with no home button. Sure, there have been rumors of such a design, but…

Ming-Chi Kuo has mentioned thin bezels earlier this year, and nothing that would indicate a significant external change.
Ming-Chi Kuo said:
We note the 12.9" model will be the second generation of the existing 12.9" iPad Pro, the 10-10.5" model will be the high-end model equipped with a narrow bezel design, and the 9.7" model will be the low-priced option.
Furthermore, Kuo claimed that OLED and other large changes are for fiscal year 2018 or later.
Ming-Chi Kuo said:
Revolutionary iPad model likely to be introduced in 2018F at the earliest, with radical changes in form factor design & user behavior on adoption of flexible AMOLED panel. We believe iPad will follow in the footsteps of the iPhone by adopting AMOLED panel in 2018F at the earliest.
I think the widely speculated bezel-free iPad with no Home button, if it happens (Kuo doesn't really specify the nature of the "radical changes"), is likely to show up in an 2018 update.
 
As a brainwashed and diehard Apple fanboy, I must admit that Siri sucks. The few, small updates Siri has had since launch is almost mind-blowing. Especially since she was on the market well before the other guys. I've been waiting on a Siri home device but I just can't see how advantageous it will be with her/its current state.
 
As a brainwashed and diehard Apple fanboy, I must admit that Siri sucks. The few, small updates Siri has had since launch is almost mind-blowing. Especially since she was on the market well before the other guys. I've been waiting on a Siri home device but I just can't see how advantageous it will be with her/its current state.


Siri is by far the most used personal assistant in the world. In head to head competitions, of which there are many that you can Google, she does as well as any of the others. She is far from perfect, but most of the problems people experience is with the microphones, especially in cars where the bluetooth is routed through the horrible car microphones. She is also capable of multiple languages, Alexa only one. All that said, get ready for Next Gen Siri as Apple will be revealing the incorporation of technology from Vocal IQ and several other acquisitions.
 
As a brainwashed and diehard Apple fanboy, I must admit that Siri sucks. The few, small updates Siri has had since launch is almost mind-blowing. Especially since she was on the market well before the other guys. I've been waiting on a Siri home device but I just can't see how advantageous it will be with her/its current state.
The fact that you have to send the information to Cupertino, or Reno, or wherever the data center is to have it interpreted is one of those stupid ideas that gets put into reality.

Microsoft Voice Command could dial your contacts, find out when your next meeting was, and tell you what time it was without Internet interaction. Siri... not so much.

Oh yeah, Voice Command could also tell you what the score of the Seahawks game was, and when the next time Star Wars, Episode 3 was playing, mainly because it was doing it in 2004.
 
Siri is by far the most used personal assistant in the world. In head to head competitions, of which there are many that you can Google, she does as well as any of the others. She is far from perfect, but most of the problems people experience is with the microphones, especially in cars where the bluetooth is routed through the horrible car microphones. She is also capable of multiple languages, Alexa only one. All that said, get ready for Next Gen Siri as Apple will be revealing the incorporation of technology from Vocal IQ and several other acquisitions.

Part are the issue that you did not mention, is Apple servers (Response rate/time) with incorporating Siri on an inconsistent basis, which affects Siri. Some of Siri's biggest issues is with two things, deciphering and dictation. If you don't have either of those two factors semi-accurate, you're going to get all kinds of discombobulated results.

Where Siri struggles and Apple is likely aware of it, is the speed of which a word can be defined and the accuracy behind that word, which certain days Siri is more fluent and other days it's completely cumbersome.

For direct comparison, I can take a basic word for example and ask Siri to define it, which she may or may not understand with struggling to define, then I asked the exact same question/annunciation to Google voice, and it's almost instantaneous with a response time and highly accurate.

Again, Siri's biggest issue is with accuracy of deciphering what was asked and speed of dictation.

It's been noted Apple hired a team of engineers over a year ago to revamp Siri and those changes are likely coming very soon.
 
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I imagine that's by design and intentional. When I ask: "What is the weather in San Francisco now" the present temperature, sunny/cloudy/etc, and an hour hourly forecast is displayed. That's because my phone and Apple Watch have displays, and, more often than not I'd like to know how the temperature/condition may change in the next few hours.

With a speaker only system it would be trivial to announce that information (or a subset).

EDIT: If I ask a more specific question: "What's the temperature in San Francisco?" Siri will announce the temperature and display that with a 12 hour forecast on the screen. Seems reasonable.

Yes and no. im a huge fan of AirPods , so it really seems pointless to have wireless headphones if I need to get my phone out to see the weather information, effectively you are just better off looking at the forecast. That's my personal experience .

"What's today's weather " across Siri , echo And google - I just tried it , Siri one is pointless for an AI, you are just better off opening the weather app. The other two give me a hands free summary , which is the point of a AI assistant?

I see that you found the way of getting the temperature , yes you have to specifically ask for it. Like i said it's personal, and with Siri I have to ask a lot of different ways to get the answer, quicker to type it into the browser.
 
10.5 will be the perfect size between the too big 12.9.
I' d rather have had a 11 inch. Actually 11.3 is the size between 9.7 and 12.9.
We might see a situation in the next 3 years, where apple will go back to just 2 sizes.
1. 11.3 inch borderless oled ipad pro in the same footprint as the 10.5 inch
2. 9.7 inch borderless ipad in a footprint between ipad mini and the reg. 9.7 inch ipad
3. Ips/lcd 9.7 inch " cheap" ipad.
 
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I Personally don't think that is Apple's mindset when it comes to the competition from releasing products based off overall popularity on competitor sales. Clearly Apple has their own timeline on how they do things and there's been plenty of times where their product releases have not matched up with rumors.
Nice way to say that the rumor mills got against them by lack of inspiration / news.
No, apple should make a special PadOS, with the same good touchscreen controll, but more possibilities in multiaccount/multiwindow , filemanagement, etc.
It is time for apple to cut the cord with iphone ios for the ipad, (maintaining compatibility though).
Rather downsize / enrich the MacOS experience with MultiTouch.
And use jailbreak solutions to emulate hardware 3D in larger touchscreens
Use that for a breakthrough device (vastly better SurfacePro) line instead of milking products to the extreme (adapting screensizes by the inch, removing bezels that should have been gone ages ago)
If true innovation requires new leadership, let it in.
The current Board looks uninspired, unresponive and greedy instead of hungry. Their events & keynotes seem the best investment in sleep technology...
 
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I'm with you, I don't really see the point of the device yet. But let's not confuse that with saying our iPhones and Siri do the same thing. Hey Siri rarely works for me and many others and it isn't nearly as useful as it could be, yet.
I have a Google home and it's actually really useful. Mine lives in the kitchen where it sets timers plays music, reads me the news and gives calendar updates. The biggest difference with Google and Siri is that Google works. It understands you incredibly well and you don't have to be precise when asking for a song / artist / playlist on Spotify for instance, it still works it out. In comparison, Siri feels like technology from the stone age it is so inept at understanding even the simplest commands.

Apple has really dropped a clanger with Siri and is so far behind the competition I sincerely doubt they will even try and launch a Siri based speaker as it will be an embarrassment compared to the competition.
 
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My prediction (no evidence to back this up) The return of the AirPort. This time; mesh network compatible, each one also acting as an optional siri speaker
 
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I' d rather have had a 11 inch. Actually 11.3 is the size between 9.7 and 12.9.
We might see a situation in the next 3 years, where apple will go back to just 2 sizes.
1. 11.3 inch borderless oled ipad pro in the same footprint as the 10.5 inch
2. 9.7 inch borderless ipad in a footprint between ipad mini and the reg. 9.7 inch ipad
3. Ips/lcd 9.7 inch " cheap" ipad.
That would make sense in a (kind of) one for all-iPad strategy.
But the huge variety of versions, sizes and memory configs (with all disadvantages) makes variable screen sizes a small step extra.
 
I would love to see a 17" MacBook Pro return long before yet another iPad size. The iPad proved its uselessness long ago for me so no thanks, just a machine that can actually handle heavy lifting please. Though I'm 100% positive it's not coming.
 
Thin besels coming on ipad....well why not? My iphone 7 plus has thin bezels, not so much on the bottom but almost non existant on the sides. And such a much better touch experience on its Home Button. I have seen no one mentiin these two comparisons anywhere. And since it is already on an iphone why not now on the upcoming ipad pro refresh!
 
I have a Google home and it's actually really useful. Mine lives in the kitchen where it sets timers plays music, reads me the news and gives calendar updates. The biggest difference with Google and Siri is that Google works. It understands you incredibly well and you don't have to be precise when asking for a song / artist / playlist on Spotify for instance, it still works it out. In comparison, Siri feels like technology from the stone age it is so inept at understanding even the simplest commands.

Apple has really dropped a clanger with Siri and is so far behind the competition I sincerely doubt they will even try and launch a Siri based speaker as it will be an embarrassment compared to the competition.

I think you are right, to a degree. In some comparison tests, the google and amazon voice assistants accomplish a lot of the same things as Siri would (in a closed enviroment). The advantage that the Home and Echo have right now is the microphones. These devices are built with many far field microphones that help it "feel" much more accurate. Not to discount what they are, they do it well, but I do think that improvements to Siri (much needed) and a device with the same microphones as those could push Apple forward in this category.
 
I wonder what the name of the processor in that speaker will be...seems like they are slicing and dicing their processor line...I predict V1 (for voice).
 
Want to spur iPad Pro sales?...how about offering a slightly discounted bundled package that comes with an Apple Pencil and keyboard (actually not crazy about the smart keyboard so leave that out).
 
Yes and no. im a huge fan of AirPods , so it really seems pointless to have wireless headphones if I need to get my phone out to see the weather information, effectively you are just better off looking at the forecast. That's my personal experience .

"What's today's weather " across Siri , echo And google - I just tried it , Siri one is pointless for an AI, you are just better off opening the weather app. The other two give me a hands free summary , which is the point of a AI assistant?

I see that you found the way of getting the temperature , yes you have to specifically ask for it. Like i said it's personal, and with Siri I have to ask a lot of different ways to get the answer, quicker to type it into the browser.

My personal experience is that if the result of a request involves a list of information, say a dozen items such as train departure times or a forecast of hourly temperatures for the next 12 hours, or anything where many items need to be absorbed and analyzed to form a conclusion to a larger problem unknown to an AI assistant, I would much rather see that information displayed so I can draw conclusions based upon my particular goals. Which are not necessarily simple, or known by the AI assistant.

And that points to why companies are rolling out AI assistants with displays, and why Siri will display list-based information rather than announcing the list (which would be easy to do). Can you remember a dozen quickly announced train departure times, so you can analyze the best choice for whatever larger complex scheduling goal for the day you might have in mind?

If I ask Siri "what's the weather in San Francisco," I want to see what the day will be like with an hourly forecast, rather than having that quickly read to me. Much better for contemplating available options. Again, that's not a shortcoming of Siri as it would be easy to make Siri announce the list. Rather, that's an informed programming choice.
 
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