Ming-Chi Kuo Says Apple Likely to Unveil 10.5" iPad Pro and Touchscreen Siri Smart Speaker at WWDC

[HobeSoundDarryl]

Why we need a Siri speaker when you can command Siri from your phone anywhere?

Because mobile devices do not replicate generally stationary devices unless you are single living alone. When you take that phone out of the home, those you leave behind can't still replicate a Siri speaker until you get back.

Otherwise, per that logic, why do we need an Apple Watch when we can do all of the same stuff with the phone? Why do we need Macs when we can do almost all of the same stuff with a phone? Why do we need an iPhone when we can do almost all of the same stuff with most smart phones? Why do we need a smart phone when we could borrow someones temporarily to do most of what we want to do? Why do we need these other people when, if they were eliminated, we could just take their Apple watches, iPhones and Macs and use them as if they were our own? Why do we need their Apple watch when their iPhone can do all the same stuff? Why do we need their Macs when their iPhones can do most of the same stuff? Why do we need their iPhones when other smart phones can do most of the same stuff?

 

[Dave245]

Please wake me up once new Macs are announced

So we should wake you up in October then!

 

[Reason077]

Putting a display on a smart speaker? Completely missing the point.

I have a feeling that Apple's smart speaker won't play nice with 3rd party services and devices either. Spotify, anyone?

 

[44267547]

Putting a display on a smart speaker? Completely missing the point.

I have a feeling that Apple's smart speaker won't play nice with 3rd party services and devices either. Spotify, anyone?

I will definitely invest in Apple's smart speaker whenever they release it. I'm sure it will tie into their ecosystem one way or another with other Apple devices. But I don't believe for the first generation smart speaker from Apple, that we will see a display included. At this junction, I don't really have a need for a display. I would rather have the range of beaming microphones and quality sound from the speakers. And of course I would appreciate Siri being revamped as well.

 

[ElQben]

I will definitely invest in Apple's smart speaker whenever they release it. I'm sure it will tie into their ecosystem one way or another with other Apple devices. But I don't believe for the first generation smart speaker from Apple, that we will see a display included. At this junction, I don't really have a need for a display. I would rather have the range of beaming microphones and quality sound from the speakers. And of course I would appreciate Siri being revamped as well.

Except Schill Philler has gone on record lauding the presence of a screen on voice assistants, and trashing the competition.

 

[Dave245]

Except Schill Philler has gone on record lauding the presence of a screen on voice assistants, and trashing the competition.

Yea it seems pretty much certain that the Siri speaker will have some sort of display after Phil's comments. I wonder if they are putting the Beats technology into it tho, after buying Beat's they now own not only the headphones but also the speaker technology that Beats made. I just hope that whatever Apple do with this Siri speaker that it's more than just playing music because i personally use my AirPods to play music and very rarely do i play music out loud.

 

[44267547]

Except Schill Philler has gone on record lauding the presence of a screen on voice assistants, and trashing the competition.

Can you provide a quote or citation where Schiller "Trashed" the competition? Specifically, which competition did he mention? Because from what I read, listed below, there isn't any "Trash talking" at all from his quote.


"We think it's important that there are times when it's convenient to simply use your voice when you are not able to use the screen," said Schiller. "For example, if you're driving [and] you want Siri to work for you without having to look at the screen, that's the best thing. Or maybe you're across the room, and you want to ask Siri to change the song you're listening to."

So there's many moments where a voice assistant is really beneficial, but that doesn't mean you'd never want a screen. So the idea of not having a screen, I don't think suits many situations. For example if I'm looking for directions and I'm using Maps, Siri can tell me those directions by voice and that's really convenient but it's even better if I can see that map, and I can see what turns are coming up, and I can see where there is congestion, I understand better my route, and what I'm going to do.

Furthermore, we don't know if Apple will implement a display in the first generation smart speaker or not. I'm not entirely sure that will happen by the first generation, as it would be likely in future iterations.

 

[ValO]

I think the iPad Pro 9.7" may get a price drop to $499, and then the iPad Pro 10.5" could end up at $599 or slightly higher.

Don' t bet on it.
Apple isn' t going to sell the 10.5 for the same price as 9.7 pro on launch. You can add $100, so 699, and if the 9.7 inch pro stays, perhaps it will go $550.

But i really doubt apple will continue to update the 9.7 inch pro model next year and the years beyond.and i think , if apple releases an ios pro or PadOS with extra features, it will require 4gb memory, and the 9.7 inch ipad pro has 2gb.

 

[MH01]

Still wondering if they show this before the iPhone. If it's an impressive update, the iPhone will incorporate the changes , which will take the limelight off its launch. Still thinking the iPad will be post iPhone, unless the design/features are not shared.
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Can you provide a quote or citation where Schiller "Trashed" the competition? Specifically, which competition did he mention? Because from what I read, listed below, there isn't any "Trash talking" at all from his quote.


"We think it's important that there are times when it's convenient to simply use your voice when you are not able to use the screen," said Schiller. "For example, if you're driving [and] you want Siri to work for you without having to look at the screen, that's the best thing. Or maybe you're across the room, and you want to ask Siri to change the song you're listening to."

So there's many moments where a voice assistant is really beneficial, but that doesn't mean you'd never want a screen. So the idea of not having a screen, I don't think suits many situations. For example if I'm looking for directions and I'm using Maps, Siri can tell me those directions by voice and that's really convenient but it's even better if I can see that map, and I can see what turns are coming up, and I can see where there is congestion, I understand better my route, and what I'm going to do.

Furthermore, we don't know if Apple will implement a display in the first generation smart speaker or not. I'm not entirely sure that will happen by the first generation, as it would be likely in future iterations.

https://www.macrumors.com/2017/05/06/apple-schiller-voice-smart-speaker-screen/

Look at the second paragraph . He is having a go at google and amazon. Given what the competition has and the state of Siri... reality and him are not on the same planet

 

[44267547]

Still wondering if they show this before the iPhone. If it's an impressive update, the iPhone will incorporate the changes , which will take the limelight off its launch. Still thinking the iPad will be post iPhone, unless the design/features are not shared.
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https://www.macrumors.com/2017/05/06/apple-schiller-voice-smart-speaker-screen/

Look at the second paragraph . He is having a go at google and amazon. Given what the competition has and the state of Siri... reality and him are not on the same planet

You mean, just Amazon. Google hasn't touched on any ideas of incorporating a display as far as I know.

I think it's difficult to trash competition when the competition hasn't released anything that he can pre-judge a notion on. Second, my point was, he didn't strictly mention any competitors, because how would he have knowledge of what a competitor is going to release other than what Amazon has made clear? Not to mention, he hasn't even had ability to test any competitor products with a display yet.

And my interpretation is Schiller is not trashing any competition. He strictly talking about how one would use the display and for what reasons. To me, that doesn't equate to trashing anybody or any product. He strictly talking about the differences that would offer if somebody would actually take advantage of a display.

 

[44267547]

So They're killing 7.9 inch iPads and adding another 10.5" model because both 9.7" and 12.9" models aren't enough ? .......wtf ?

Hyperbole. Did you even read the article? It doesn't even state anything about the iPad mini (7.9). It simply states and has stated being rumored for the last six months, that Apple was going to supplement a 10.5 inch iPad between a 9.7 pro and 12.9 Pro.

Apple hasn't determine the fate of the 7.9 inch iPad.

Furthermore, the 10.5 inch iPad is rumored to be 0LED. The 9.7/12.9 iPad pros are LED. Not to mention, the 12.9 inch iPad is almost 2 years old and is easily ready for refresh.

 

[Dave245]

Furthermore, the 10.5 inch iPad is rumored to be 0LED. The 9.7/12.9 iPad pros are LED. Not to mention, the 12.9 inch iPad is almost 2 years old and is easily ready for refresh.

I'm not sure about the OLED screen, haven't Apple had issues getting enough OLED screens? plus would they really announce it on an iPad at WWDC before the iPhone 8 in September? kind of taking the shine off the iPhone 8.

 

[44267547]

I'm not sure about the OLED screen, haven't Apple had issues getting enough OLED screens? plus would they really announce it on an iPad at WWDC before the iPhone 8 in September? kind of taking the shine off the iPhone 8.

It was rumored there was constraints with the OLED display and it was one of the reasons they were pushing the 10.5 inch iPad back, when It was supposed to release allegedly earlier. However, I don't think that would have an affect on the iPhone 8 in the fall.

But my rebuttal argument would be, if the iPad allegedly is taking way the shine as you stated, then why would they debut it in the fall next to the iPhone eight? Which would also compete against the iPhone, assumingly if it launched at the time of the iPhone 8 or later in October/November as did the first 12.9 inch iPad Pro.

Either way, it's not going to have an effect on the iPhone 8, because this iPhone will be in high demand as it currently stands regardless.

 

[ValO]

Still wondering if they show this before the iPhone. If it's an impressive update, the iPhone will incorporate the changes , which will take the limelight off its launch. Still thinking the iPad will be post iPhone, unless the design/features are not shared.

I don' t think they share the same design features.
Everyone is all over this design of the iPad Pro 10.5 without bezels. But it will still have bezels, and a physical touchid homebutton or a homebutton with force touch like the iphone 7/plus .They will just shrink the bezels, and there still will be room left for the homebutton.

Look at the picture. It is a regular 9.7 inch ipad on which they put a 10.5 inch sheet of paper. Zoom in , and you will still see room for a homebutton. They would have to put the homebutton nearer to the bottom edge, and it could fit, or increase the footprint by just 1mm. It is tight and it will fit. It will look just more compact. So it won' t have in-screen homebutton, or touchid and won' t steel the thunder of the rumored iphone 8/x.

If they only could use the same method to make the iphone 7s plus more compact and maintain the homebutton at the front, the chin with the homebutton has about 2mm of unused space, if they also took that 2mm off the forehead, they could reduce length with 4mm.
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It was rumored there was constraints with the OLED display and it was one of the reasons they were pushing the 10.5 inch iPad back, when It was supposed to release allegedly earlier. However, I don't think that would have an affect on the iPhone 8 in the fall.

But my rebuttal argument would be, if the iPad allegedly is taking way the shine as you stated, then why would they debut it in the fall next to the iPhone eight? Which would also compete against the iPhone, assumingly if it launched at the time of the iPhone 8 or later in October/November as did the first 12.9 inch iPad Pro.

Either way, it's not going to have an effect on the iPhone 8, because this iPhone will be in high demand as it currently stands regardless.

Sorry, it won' t have an OLED screen, and they won't t wait for that. The new 10.5 and 12.9 ipad will still have ips LCD displays, but with rumored higher refresh, faster image processing.(at least the 10.5 inch).

 

[Dave245]

It was rumored there was constraints with the OLED display and it was one of the reasons they were pushing the 10.5 inch iPad back, when It was supposed to release allegedly earlier. However, I don't think that would have an affect on the iPhone 8 in the fall.

But my rebuttal argument would be, if the iPad allegedly is taking way the shine as you stated, then why would they debut it the fall next to the iPhone eight, which would also compete against the iPhone, assumingly if it launched at the time of the iPhone 8 or later in October/November as did the first 12.9 inch iPad Pro.

Good point, it has me wondering why they are said to be announcing it at WWDC, would the OLED warrant that for developers and their apps? it would be great to see an iPad with OLED. The 10.5" sounds interesting but why not also do a less bezel version of the 9.7" and 12.9" iPad Pro at the same time? there are a few questions surrounding it at the moment. I think one of the following could be reasons:

1. Ming-Chi-Kuo is wrong and the iPad's will come out in September/October time
2. Apple needs to announce because of developer apps and technology reasons
3. The tech is now ready from an earlier planned realise that had to be pushed back

iPad's have not been announced at WWDC before that's what also makes it a little strange, but maybe because they are also rumoured to be announcing the Siri speaker at the same event they thought why not also announce the iPad Pro 10.5" for developers to get their hands on it.

 

[44267547]

Sorry, it won' t have an OLED screen, and they won't t wait for that. The new 10.5 and 12.9 ipad will still have ips LCD displays, but with rumored higher refresh, faster image processing.(at least the 10.5 inch).

Well we don't know that for sure. But it's blatantly obvious Apple is doing something with an iPad in between the current variants. Personally, I would rather much have OLED in the iPhone and continuing in the Apple Watch, versus the iPad. Not to mention, you have to consider the influx of price if Apple were to release the OLED iPad.

 

[MH01]

You mean, just Amazon. Google hasn't touched on any ideas of incorporating a display as far as I know.

I think it's difficult to trash competition when the competition hasn't released anything that he can pre-judge a notion on. Second, my point was, he didn't strictly mention any competitors, because how would he have knowledge of what a competitor is going to release other than what Amazon has made clear? Not to mention, he hasn't even had ability to test any competitor products with a display yet.

And my interpretation is Schiller is not trashing any competition. He strictly talking about how one would use the display and for what reasons. To me, that doesn't equate to trashing anybody or any product. He strictly talking about the differences that would offer if somebody would actually take advantage of a display.

To quote "His blunt response? "I won't talk to either one specifically, don't want to. My mother used to have a saying that if you don't have something nice to say, say nothing at all.""

That's trash talking . Childish using his mother, though a no comment would have sufficed. The question was about rival home speakers, which is amazon echo and google home.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/apple...n-echo-google-home-nothing-nice-to-say-2017-5

Feel free to read for yourself , countless sources though all seem to quote his statement.

 

[44267547]

To quote "His blunt response? "I won't talk to either one specifically, don't want to. My mother used to have a saying that if you don't have something nice to say, say nothing at all.""

That's trash talking . Childish using his mother, though a no comment would have sufficed. The question was about rival home speakers, which is amazon echo and google home.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/apple...n-echo-google-home-nothing-nice-to-say-2017-5

Feel free to read for yourself , countless sources though all seem to quote his statement.

I think you're teetering on the pedantic side of things. And, he never mentioned any competitor products. Nor has he had the ability to test a competitor product with a display, which Amazon would be the only verified source at this time.

And Respectfully, that's not trash talking is at all. Because he used some term of endearment about what his mother said? Schiller Even stated in the article that he "Won't talk to either one Specifically." And that's trash talking? Not even close.

Again, I think you have a skewed interpretation of what trash talking is. Trash talking would be directly stating something negative about a specific product, name or company. He didn't do any of those. This is all left for speculation on how one wants to interpret it, but I disagree with you.

 

[MH01]

I think you're teetering on the pedantic side of things. And, he never mentioned any competitor products. Nor has he had the ability to test a competitor product with a display, which Amazon would be the only verified source at this time.

And Respectfully, that's not trash talking is at all. Because he used some term of endearment about what his mother said? Schiller Even stated in the article that he won't comment on either one of the products. And that's trash talking? Not even close.

Again, I think you have a skewed interpretation of what trash talking is. Trash talking would be directly stating something negative about a specific product, name or company. He didn't do any of those. This is all left for speculation on how one wants to interpret it, but I disagree.

Personal opinion I guess saying that there is nothing nice to say about the echo.....that's Bs in my books. For one it can tell me the weather where I am right now, Siri cannot, gives me a range . To me that is nice thing

One can trash talk while being nice and diplomatic to be honest .

Let's agree to disagree on the hidden meaning .

 

[parapup]

iPad Pro - only thing missing is the just the right screen size - one day, one year Apple will find it and then it will change everything again! Anyone care to bet 10.351" will do it after 13 years of trying?

 

[44267547]

Personal opinion I guess saying that there is nothing nice to say about the echo.....that's Bs in my books. For one it can tell me the weather where I am right now, Siri cannot, gives me a range . To me that is nice thing

One can trash talk while being nice and diplomatic to be honest .

Let's agree to disagree on the hidden meaning .

Fair enough. And truthfully, I actually do like the Amazon echo and Google voice. ESpecially the Amazon echo, how they have expanded into other smart speakers and now with the smart speaker with a display coming in June. Amazon is certainly leading the trail.

 

[ValO]

Well we don't know that for sure. But it's blatantly obvious Apple is doing something with an iPad in between the current variants. Personally, I would rather much have OLED in the iPhone and continuing in the Apple Watch, versus the iPad. Not to mention, you have to consider the influx of price if Apple were to release the OLED iPad.

Yes, true...

But there have been no rumors so far for apple ordering bigger oled panels from samsung, while there have been numerous rumors of the deal of the so called 5.8 inch oled panels. But there is an outside possibility that perhaps LG, has developed such an oled(based on their superior tv tech?)
And i think apple will do iphone first, before Ipad. And perhaps, in the next 2 years, apple will do a real no border ipad, that is just screen, build in touchid, etc.
But not this year. I am sure, it is just not apple' s way of doing things. In the next 3 to 4 years we' ll see all that all macs, iPads and iphones will migrate to oled, and this year or the next, Apple Watch will migrate to microled, in 3 years we' ll see an iphone with a microled display, etc, etc.
So watch(very small),after that the touch bar of the macs(or the other way around), After that the iphone, iPads, and macs will be last. I guess that will be the cycle, that apple will use for integrating new display tech.

 

[MH01]

Fair enough. And truthfully, I actually do like the Amazon echo and Google voice. ESpecially the Amazon echo, how they have expanded into other smart speakers and now with the smart speaker with a display coming in June. Amazon is certainly leading the trail.

Like anything , it's got pros and cons , overall the echo is a winner for me. I have an elderly grandmother who cannot use computers of any sort, the echo and echo show are game changes for communication purposes with her family. I'll just buy echo dots and post them globally around the world so they can just communicate , for me this is massive , just by saying "call x"

 

[44267547]

Like anything , it's got pros and cons , overall the echo is a winner for me. I have an elderly grandmother who cannot use computers of any sort, the echo and echo show are game changes for communication purposes with her family. I'll just buy echo dots and post them globally around the world so they can just communicate , for me this is massive , just by saying "call x"

I recall you saying in a previous post how An active display would benefit your grandmother/smart speaker capabilities. That's a good point and active display would be more suitable for somebody that would appreciate having a visual versus just having audible feedback.

 

[Scottyltd]

I am particularly excited about WWDC 17. It's gonna be great

Sadly, I'm not very hopeful of an update to MB Air. (Most of you probably saying 'keep dreaming right now'). My wallet it screaming for an update. Otherwise I am forced to go for MB, which I really don't want. One port??? Miss the magnetic power adapter, and a few ports to charge and connect my gear.

I know, I know, this will typically be software related event, I'm not stupid. just voicing my opinion.