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afurry13 said:
Math, History, reading and writing are factual. Sexual education can be taught from a secular point of view or a christian point of view. I will teach my kid the right way. I pay taxes so that my kid can get an education that will prepare him for college. Not so he can have some 40 year old man teach him how to use a condom.
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I'm glad your kid is fortunate enough to have a parent who can teach him/her the ways of the world. Others aren't so lucky. Many find out for themselves, the hard way. By promoting sexual education in schools WITH AN OPT-OUT OPTION for parents who wish to educate their children themselves, it doesn't need to be that way.
 
afurry13 said:
Not the government's job. I've got a mom and dad who raised me correctly. And if you aren't as blessed as I was. You've got a mom over there that had you when she was 17 years old. Let her tell you how hard it was.
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But it's the governments job to stick its head up a woman's private parts? Its the governments job how two consenting adults should and can fornicate? Or marry?
 
flipperfeet said:
The whole argument of the sanctity of marriage is a crock in a nation with divorce rates that have been as high as 70%. How about we take this approach, any law that stipulates a marriage can only be between a man and a woman, most also enforce all the traditional marriage vows "...till death do you part." Just as your God and religion intended it.
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Agreed.
 
lifeinhd said:
You can't condemn others for their decisions based on your ideal of how the world should work.
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I'm not condemning. You're the one who observed a single 15yo mother will tend to have a rough time. And it's pretty obvious that two people who, by definition, together lack the parts to reproduce will be unable to do so - so why the charade of giving them special status as though they can? Encourage the 15yo to find a committed mate first, and don't encourage such commitment between people who absolutely can't reproduce (I don't mean "necessary parts are broken", I mean "necessary parts aren't supposed to be there").

Oh, and he11 yes I'll condemn someone who murders a child.
 
I don't know how anyone can vote for Obama. Well, I do. They don't pay attention to anything hes done and listen to main stream media to get their news.

Obama violated the War Powers Act in Libya. Told congress to take a hike when they asked for a declaration of war. They are now providing "non-lethal" aid to the Syrians as well.

Obama supports a ton of Bush's policies. Extended the Patriot act, kept gitmo open (after he said he'd close it), kept the tax cuts, expanded warfare in the middle east and provided bailouts to the rich on wall street.

Obama tramples on civil liberties by signing the NDAA (4th amendment violation), Trespass Bill (1st amendment), and other legislation.

How about Obama claiming "executive privilege" and helping to cover up operation fast and furious? He protected Eric Holder after he lost track of guns in Mexico, which lead to American border patrol guards being killed.

Obama has been an utter failure. Romney would be just as bad. The media is in both of their pockets and the biggest contributor to both Romney and Obama is Goldman Sachs. Wake up people. They are both the same person.

I'll be writing in Ron Paul or voting for Gary Johnson this fall. No more voting for the political cults known as the republican and democratic parties.
 
afurry13 said:
I pay taxes so the government can teach my kid what is necessary to succeed at the college level. And many schools don't even do that well anymore. It is the parent's responsibility to raise the child, not the governments.
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So you equate education with raising a child? Isn't education just information.. and it's up to parents to teach children what to do with that information?
 
imageWIS said:
But it's the governments job to stick its head up a woman's private parts? Its the governments job how two consenting adults should and can fornicate? Or marry?
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No, it's nature's. Two men can't have intercourse. Two women can't have intercourse. It's science.
 
afurry13 said:
Providing contraceptives to people who can't afford to raise a child if they fail? Yes, I think that's bad.
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Firstly, contraceptives are EXTREMELY reliable. Secondly, abstinence programs have been proven to INCREASE the number of unplanned pregnancies, not decrease them.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22022362

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstinence-only_sex_education#Effectiveness

and here's the info again from a conservative newspaper, so you can't claim any "liberal media bias"

http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatc...-regional-disparities-in-teen-pregnancy-rates
 
NY Guitarist said:
Who defined marriage? Wasn't the original purpose of marriage actually a business deal where the wife was part of the exchange of property? Women were considered property.

And religions organizations basically hijacked "marriage" as part of the way control the masses.
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Yup. Plus, humans have been mating for life before there was such a thing as written language. Some mammals tend to mate for life, some don't... we do.
 
afurry13 said:
Math, History, reading and writing are factual. Sexual education can be taught from a secular point of view or a christian point of view. I will teach my kid the right way. I pay taxes so that my kid can get an education that will prepare him for college. Not so he can have some 40 year old man teach him how to use a condom.
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I respectfully disagree. Public education is provided because enough of us agree it is a social good. I pay taxes for that, even though I do not have any children in the public schools. I want a return on my tax payment. One social good is to encourage responsible behavior EVEN if parents fail. It's a problem I will suffer from if the upcoming generation causes an explosion of infectuous diseases or neglected children.

I am paying my taxes to reduce that, not to get your kids into college.
You are welcome to educate your kids privately if you don't like the deal I'm willing to subsidize you for.
 
imageWIS said:
A) government isn't a business, so thus myth of being a good business person = good at governing is without merit.

B) Romney has never been a business person, he was a VC, and by his own account, he never ran any off the companies Bain took over.

C) You are taking the quote out-of-context, over and over again, so there is no reasonable discussion possible, since you want to make up your own facts.
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Do you know what a VC person is? OMG. My clients are VCs. They not only invest into your companies, but a lot of the times sit on the board, and even take on roles of management at the company. How is a VC not a business? Private Equity is where the returns are, even in this crappy economy.

I pasted entire quote. Not sure why you can't read it and tell me again. It is not out of context. Furthermore, none of this infrastructure would even be there without taxes paid for by small businesses and people (that are employed by businesses)
 
Raidersmojo said:
No more voting for the political cults known as the republican and democratic parties.
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This is interesting. I wonder if the political system in the U.S. no longer serves the interest of the citizens?

Looking at the stalemate in politics at the moment, it does appear that politics is about winning power at the expense of constructive problem solving.
 
Gasu E. said:
I respectfully disagree. Public education is provided because enough of us agree it is a social good. I pay taxes for that, even though I do not have any children in the public schools. I want a return on my tax payment. One social good is to encourage responsible behavior EVEN if parents fail. It's a problem I will suffer from if the upcoming generation causes an explosion of infectuous diseases or neglected children.

I am paying my taxes to reduce that, not to get your kids into college.
You are welcome to educate your kids privately if you don't like the deal I'm willing to subsidize you for.
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So is it the government's job to teach us how to tie our shoes and how to chew our food and brush our teeth? where do we draw the line? Should everyone be provided driver's education for free? Someday soon people will cry out for that.
 
starflyer said:
I don't understand this.

Hetrosexual men cannot marry other men.
Homosexual men cannot marry other men.

Sounds like equal rights to me.
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No, that's not equal rights. As it stands now:

Heterosexual people can marry the person they love and want to share their life with.
Homosexual people CANNOT marry the person they love and want to share their life with.
 
Gasu E. said:
The highway to get to One Infinite Loop? That's right, Steve Jobs didn't build that. Which Steve would have agreed with 100%.
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Indeed. He would also note that he paid more than enough in taxes to build that road, and more than his fair share in taxes benefiting others.

The whole "you didn't do that" notion is predicated on greed: "you made a profit off something you and I paid for, so I should get part of your profits too." Funny, the recurring Leftist "you owe us" meme is never quantified; asking "ok, how much?" has one answer: "more".
 
imageWIS said:
Yup. Plus, humans have been mating for life before there was such a thing as written language. Some mammals tend to mate for life, some don't... we do.
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Humans don't mate for life instinctually. We are primates, and if you took society and harmony out of the equation, you would have dominant males impregnating every female he could convince to join his harem.

(edit) On a side note, I'm pretty sure the gays might disagree with whoever said that two men and/or two women can't have intercourse.
 
afurry13 said:
No, it's nature's. Two men can't have intercourse. Two women can't have intercourse. It's science.
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Please stop using words like 'science' since there are a myriad of animals that have non-heterosexual behaviors (but only one of them is stupid enough to think that its wrong):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior

Also, procreation and sexual relations are two separate things. People don't get married simply to procreate!
 
afurry13 said:
No, it's nature's. Two men can't have intercourse. Two women can't have intercourse. It's science.
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So you define marriage as between two people who can procreate?

Should a couple who is unable to conceive a child not be allowed to marry?

What about a couple who chooses to not have a child? What is the purpose of their marriage?
 
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ctdonath said:
Indeed. He would also note that he paid more than enough in taxes to build that road, and more than his fair share in taxes benefiting others.
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You know that highways in California existed before Apple, right? So none of Apple's of SJ's taxes went to build that road... but, please go on...
 
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