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Are you really crediting obama for getting Bin Laden? The only thing he said was "go." Given that information, I could have got bin laden.

It's all the Obama people have. That and blaming Bush for everything.

Why is it only a president is allowed to blame all his failures on his predecessor? CEOs can't get away with it. Quarterbacks can't get away with it. Yet Obama voters happily pull the lever for him just glad it's not Bush. I mean hey, what could we possibly expect from Obama? He didn't inherit a country without problems. Cut the guy a break.

Great thinking, America. :rolleyes:


You are missing the point... How can a 15 year old avoid being a broke high school mother? DON'T HAVE SEX AT 15 YEARS OLD.

Personal accountability is not a tenet of liberalism.
 
Bush spiked that up via TARP, the airline bailout, unpaid wars, not paying for Medicare Part D, and blowing the surplus he was given. Gas when Obama took office was nearly $3.50 per gallon. Gas when Bush took office? $.95 per gallon. Who jacked up gas prices and debt?



Read your history. President Herbert C. Hoover did. He took office in '28, stock markets crashed in '29, and we had 3 years of depression, before Roosevelt took office. It took 8 years to get out of that, and that wasn't including WW2, yet you're expecting something instant in less than 4.



I also refer you to post #59 above, and consider yourself educated.

BTW.. Bush nor Romney got bin Laden.

BL.


When Obama took office, gas prices were $1.79 to $1.83 a gallon.
 
How about you try raising a baby as...

Well, you see, we have this concept we call "marriage": a would-be procreative pair refrains from reproduction until they have committed to mutual permanent live-in support of their offspring. The whole reproduction thing just generally doesn't work so well without the commitment, nor with a pair utterly incapable of procreating together.
 
You want to be gay? fine, but don't taint the definition of marriage.

Who defined marriage? Wasn't the original purpose of marriage actually a business deal where the wife was part of the exchange of property? Women were considered property.

And religions organizations basically hijacked "marriage" as part of the way control the masses.
 
You are missing the point... How can a 15 year old avoid being a broke high school mother? DON'T HAVE SEX AT 15 YEARS OLD.

Well it's a good thing Republicans are doing so much to promote sexual education then. Oh, wait....

adoption. You are making excuses for the minority.

And in those cases where having a baby puts the mother at undue risk of death? Or the 15-year-old comes from a broken home and her dad will beat the s*** out of her if he finds out she's pregnant?

Well, you see, we have this concept we call "marriage": a would-be procreative pair refrains from reproduction until they have committed to mutual permanent live-in support of their offspring. The whole reproduction thing just generally doesn't work so well without the commitment, nor with a pair utterly incapable of procreating together.

The world isn't black or white, nor is it a perfect place. You can't condemn others for their decisions based on your ideal of how the world should work.
 
walk around any college campus and there is your data. The ads for planned parenthood are everywhere.

"planned parenthood" is bad in what way? Do you mean contraception is bad? If controlling your ability to conceive a child is bad, then isn't viagra bad too?
 
"planned parenthood" is bad in what way? Do you mean contraception is bad? If controlling your ability to conceive a child is bad, then isn't viagra bad too?

Providing contraceptives to people who can't afford to raise a child if they fail? Yes, I think that's bad.
 
Seems everyone "knows a guy" who has had to sit for weeks waiting for a life or death surgery (how is it life or death if hes alive weeks later?).

The guys who were also waiting and are now dead tend to not talk about it.
 
Well it's a good thing Republicans are doing so much to promote sexual education then. Oh, wait....

Not the government's job. I've got a mom and dad who raised me correctly. And if you aren't as blessed as I was. You've got a mom over there that had you when she was 17 years old. Let her tell you how hard it was.
 
It isn't?

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So education is not part of the government role in serving society?

Sexual education is not the job of the government. Not at all. My parents raised me correctly and weren't afraid to talk about sex. It's the parents job. Most people have one.

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So providing NO contraception or education about birth control is better?

The Mother.... And The Father. Period.
 
the 15-year-old comes from a broken home and her dad will beat the s*** out of her if he finds out she's pregnant?

Do you mean contraception is bad? If controlling your ability to conceive a child is bad, then isn't viagra bad too?

If you don't want kids, don't make them.

And yes, kids understand this. Would help if adults encouraged self-restraint. Yes, self-restraint works.
 
For those that watched the opening ceremonies of the Olympics, it was proof positive that 1) socialized medicine can be very popular (9 minute NHS tribute) 2) you can have single payer healthcare and it does not mean the end of capitalism or freedom. (England clearly has free elections, private enterprise and as the LIBOR scandal has pointed out, a banking industry just as corrupt as ours.)

You might be able to have the country you want if you can somehow get it through the thick heads of us Americans there are 27 countries that have better and cheaper healthcare systems than we do and their people and companies are not in shackles. In fact companies in these countries enjoy a competitive advantage because they do not have the burden of providing healthcare.

This. As I grew up in London, socialized medicine (in a socialized Democracy, it is NOT communism/Marxism, what a hoot) does work. However, we have corporations such as health insurance companies, pharmaceuticals, and many lobbyists striving to keep a multi-billion dollar industry going.

Also, we're one of the few first world nations that spend more than half their federal income on our military... for oil...

As a diabetic since 12 (now 35), I take excellent care of myself (test 12-15 or more times a day, 10-12 shots of insulin depending on my BG, I run/weight train and compete). However, as I have friends in the pharmaceutical industry (Merck, J&J to name a few), I hear stories all the time on how money is spent on R&D for treatments and very little for cures. This is a business model, as a pharm company will make more money off of a lifetime of medications and supplies than even one [expensive] cure. As a diabetic, I pay $500/month for health insurance with Blue Cross Excellus and I'm in great shape (A1C's average ~5.5, which is non-diabetic levels) and yet with full coverage I have to fight with Blue Cross on simple prescription coverage for insulin (something I take daily since 12) to other smaller issues that cost me time and money. They are trained to wear you down, but I'm like a dog with a bone and eventually I will win what I rightfully pay for every month.

Back in the U.K., I'm not spending a fortune on taxes for military spending, much of it goes towards healthcare and education - two area's that help create a stronger nation which benefits everyone. People in the U.S. are behind in their mentality, we live in a greedy, selfish country and refuse to look at the big picture. I am not speaking about handouts, people should work for what they need. However, when teachers are spending their own time and money in book exchanges for public schools as funding is consistently cut, when students are not given the attention and materials necessary to prepare them for college/higher education, how can we have a nation of employable citizens? If someone can go bankrupt from cancer, or can't afford hundreds of dollars a month for the treatment to live, how can a sick nation work?

So how is having a business whose interests are making money off keeping people ill better than the so-called "evil government"? Note that corporations have BECOME our government in recent years, the lines between them are beyond blurred. Just examine what happened with a lack of proper regulation in our banking system. My father was an investment banker with Bear Stearns, I knew Greenspan and other game players through him. Derivatives, betting against defaults, short selling - to them it's a game of monopoly and it's with YOUR money. Goldman Sachs practically controls our Federal Reserve, my god they're selling bonds to us at three times their value and making a killing! Look what our system did to Iceland, one of the BEST government systems in banking, when the private banks convinced Iceland to privatize their system in 2008. In less than a year the country suffered the worst economic collapse in their history, and the players than came in and ripped them off made out with BILLIONS.

Watch "Inside Job", an amazing, eye opening documentary on what happened leading up to the financial crisis of 2008. Going all the way back to Reaganomics and the failed "Trickle Down" policies, it is amazing! All the headplayers of AIG/Goldman Sachs got out just before the shizz hit the fan. Bernanke sold his shares and made off with millions and was then appointed head of our Federal Reserve. He's a *** ****'ed crook! Worse yet, a lot of the old, white men (truth) that ran this nation (and world) into the ground for their own greed are now teaching at Columbia, Harvard, Yale and Brown while being paid thousands for lectures. Having almost gone into Investment Banking, following in my fathers footsteps, and he (being a Republican and myself a moderate) watched "Inside Job" together and we both were impressed with how spot on it was. It deserved that Oscar. Matt Damon narrated for free and put up his own money to support the film as his own brother lost his house. Amazing.
 
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Not the government's job.

Education isn't the government's job? So that's why we have no public education, right? What else isn't it the government's job to educate youth about, history, math, science, reading, writing? Yeah, let's get rid of those and just sit around reading the bible and making up stories about creationism instead. Those are the only things the government needs to teach us about.

Aaaand the country's IQ slips another few points.
 
Maybe they're doing this because Romney doesn't trust his campaign people to announce the VP choice without telling the press to "shove it" or "kiss my a**"

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0712/79179.html?hp=f1

Question: Which is worse? Screaming shrill, partisan questions in a sacred place or being told to kiss an a** for doing so?

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/07/31/Media-Intentionally-Distorts-Romney-Press-Availablity

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/07/31/MSM-Should-Have-Stayed-Home
 
Education isn't the government's job? So that's why we have no public education, right? What else isn't it the government's job to educate youth about, history, math, science, reading, writing? Yeah, let's get rid of those and just sit around reading the bible and making up stories about creationism instead. Those are the only things the government needs to teach us about.

Aaaand the country's IQ slips another few points.

Math, History, reading and writing are factual. Sexual education can be taught from a secular point of view or a christian point of view. I will teach my kid the right way. I pay taxes so that my kid can get an education that will prepare him for college. Not so he can have some 40 year old man teach him how to use a condom.
 
You are so missing the point. Every month I have to make $98,000 in payroll. Do you know what happens if i dont? In Illinois I go to jail.

So guess what, I have a revolving mortgage against my house, so if some client decides to hold back a month, i can make payroll.

Obama doesn't get it.

This is not out of context. This is from a man that never worked a real job, never ran a company. He is out of touch with small business.

And he actually said it!


and BTW when was the last time Obama met with his jobs panel?

A) government isn't a business, so thus myth of being a good business person = good at governing is without merit.

B) Romney has never been a business person, he was a VC, and by his own account, he never ran any off the companies Bain took over.

C) You are taking the quote out-of-context, over and over again, so there is no reasonable discussion possible, since you want to make up your own facts.
 
Sexual education is not the job of the government. Not at all. My parents raised me correctly and weren't afraid to talk about sex. It's the parents job. Most people have one.

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The Mother.... And The Father. Period.

OK... Why is it the parents responsibility solely? Is it then only the parents responsibility to teach you other things about life?

What role do you see in government provide education?
 
OK... Why is it the parents responsibility solely? Is it then only the parents responsibility to teach you other things about life?

What role do you see in government provide education?
I pay taxes so the government can teach my kid what is necessary to succeed at the college level. And many schools don't even do that well anymore. It is the parent's responsibility to raise the child, not the governments.
 
Right, it's illegal right now, so don't mess with it. There were gay people when the constitution was written. Why didn't they write it in then?

You want to be gay? fine, but don't taint the definition of marriage.

You want to murder a baby? Well that's not okay, don't have sex if you aren't willing to accept the risks.


First, your logic is broken. The constitution did not specifically mention voting for women or blacks and they were around. It was because white males had to be forced to acknowledge their legitimacy as equal humans that amendments were added. We are now in a similar situation where we have religious powers-that-be that deny the equality and humanity of another human being that does not share their sexual orientation.

Second, the definition of marriage is not uniform. Nearly every religion has its own take on it; even within Christianity it is heterogenous. Cultures are similarly heterogeneous.

Thirdly, the State should not be in the marriage business only the process of forming or dissolving legal unions between two people (regardless of sex). If you want to get married do it within the confines of your church's narrow or broad definition. If your God says a penis and a vagina are required for marriage fine, but that is your religious belief. The constitution only promises to protect your right to practice your religion, it does not promise it will enforce that belief system on everyone else. Your religious belief system, is clearly not the same as that of many gay and lesbians who should have an equally protected religious freedom to marry within their church and enjoy (and suffer) the same legal unions as straights.

Finally, the whole argument of the sanctity of marriage is a crock in a nation with divorce rates that have been as high as 70%. How about we take this approach, any law that stipulates a marriage can only be between a man and a woman, must also enforce all the traditional marriage vows "...till death do you part." Just as your God and religion intended it.
 
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