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My point was that the observations that Tejada is deficient defensively are a bit overblown and probably have more to do with his drop in offensive producivity.

That's entirely possible. It works the other way too, where a good hitter wins a GG because he wasn't as bad as usual in the field (e.g., Jeter, Palmeiro). I was only going by what I'd heard in scouting reports, since I don't get to see him play often.


The idea of Santana in Dodger blue does scare me. I'm counting on more breakdowns in the Dodger pitching staff to help give the Giants any chance at all. That and the Giants signing a new starting lineup.

Yeah, a Barry-less Giant lineup is going to be even more punchless than the Dodgers were this past season. Those young stud pitchers are going to have to be good to keep them in games.


I really don't understand the name calling or the hostility.

He's hand down the best hitter in the major leagues right now and he's quite good defensively. Even adds some speed.

Agreed. The best player in baseball should be paid accordingly, and Rodriguez set the benchmark with the last contract, when his track record wasn't as robust as it is now. It's easy to say you don't need him when you just won the World Series.

On the other hand, this is exactly the kind of salary calculation that the players union counts on to keep pushing salaries up. "Mike Hampton sucked and my guy doesn't, so he should make way more than Hampton did."

In my opinion, it's not the $30 million per that's crazy, it's the idea of 10 years. Locking yourself into that much money over so long is so risky, even with a player who works hard and stays healthy like Rodriguez.


Oh, now there's a perfect case of 20-20 hindsight!

I wouldn't go that far. A lot of people thought that contract was worrisome even when he signed it. Up to that point Dreifort had already had major surgeries, and his reputation was for having good "stuff" more than helping the team win. It wasn't a total shock that he never stayed healthy and produced for them.

20-20 hindsight is necessary for something like, say, trading Pedro Martinez for Delino DeShields.
 
I wouldn't go that far. A lot of people thought that contract was worrisome even when he signed it. Up to that point Dreifort had already had major surgeries, and his reputation was for having good "stuff" more than helping the team win. It wasn't a total shock that he never stayed healthy and produced for them.

20-20 hindsight is necessary for something like, say, trading Pedro Martinez for Delino DeShields.

Good luck finding a pitcher who hasn't had surgical repairs to his arm, or better yet, one who won't. In the end, the Dreifort contract didn't cost the Dodgers very much in the scheme of things because teams insure against these sorts of losses. Anyhow, we are talking 15 years ago, and I think it's a bit unfair to compare a pitcher who essentially never pitched to a position player who is performing every day pretty much as expected. This is true irrespective of whether you like him or not!
 
...I think it's a bit unfair to compare a pitcher who essentially never pitched to a position player who is performing every day pretty much as expected. This is true irrespective of whether you like him or not!

You're right, it is an unfair comparison. Dreifort at least had tantalized us about the potential and there was still a chance back then that he would finally come together for him. By contrast, I expected Pierre to underperform and he hasn't surprised me so far.
 
You're right, it is an unfair comparison. Dreifort at least had tantalized us about the potential and there was still a chance back then that he would finally come together for him. By contrast, I expected Pierre to underperform and he hasn't surprised me so far.

You are relentless on this subject, aren't you? You hate Juan Pierre. We get it! :eek:
 
You are relentless on this subject, aren't you? You hate Juan Pierre. We get it! :eek:

I don't hate the guy. By all accounts, he seems to be a good person. I think the Dodgers are paying him too much for how good he is and wish they could replace him.

But you're right that I've been harping on it too much. I'll try to avoid mentioning him for a while. :eek:
 
I don't hate the guy. By all accounts, he seems to be a good person. I think the Dodgers are paying him too much for how good he is and wish they could replace him.

But you're right that I've been harping on it too much. I'll try to avoid mentioning him for a while. :eek:

So what's your opinion on, say, Juan Pierre?
 
So what's your opinion on, say, Juan Pierre?

As aloofman's press secretary, I can say only that he prefers not to comment on the subject of Mr. Pierre at the present time but that he may provide additional remarks on this matter at an appropriate future date.

Next question.
 
Here's a new one for today:
Glavine To Boston?
Posted by Don Burke November 02, 2007 1:40PM
Maybe I'm reading way too much into one sentence, but I have the feeling that Tom Glavine might try and land a deal with the world champion Red Sox this winter.

While the smart money is on the left-hander returning to the Mets or re-joining the Atlanta Braves after his five-year tour of duty in Queens, Glavine's agent, Gregg Clifton, told me yesterday that there could be another destination his client might consider.

"It's small, but I think it's there,'' said Clifton.

To me, that means the Red Sox.

Glavine, who plans on 2008 being his final season, was born and raised in suburban Boston where his parents still live. The Red Sox, while loaded with young pitching, might be looking for a veteran starter to replace Curt Schilling who is expected to depart via free agency. The Red Sox would also give Glavine his best chance of winning another World Series ring unless, of course, they wreck their own chances by going out and signing Alex Rodriguez.

No other locale -- other than Flushing or Atlanta -- really makes sense for Glavine, who signaled his intent to play next season when he filed for free agency a few days ago. No decision is expected from the pitcher until after Thanksgiving and there's nothing to say that the Red Sox, who need Glaviine a lot less than he needs them, are even remotely interested.

But it'll be interesting to see how this all plays ou

I find the last sentence of the below paragraph quite shocking :eek:

Hot Stove about to hit Orlando
TRACY RINGOLSBY
FOXSports.com, Updated 4 hours ago

Agent Scott Boras is hoping to enjoy a public stage in shopping Alex Rodriguez, but most teams are hunting for pitching. Florida, with Dontrelle Willis, and Minnesota, which could dangle Johan Santana, would both seem to be in command of that market. The Giants have even let it be known that Tim Lincecum, their No. 1 pick in 2006, can be had for a quality bat

Either Ringolsby is misinformed, or Brian Sabean has lost it.
 
Not really, what offense do the Giants have with Bonds gone?

Pedro Feliz isn't striking fear into the hearts of anyone and pitching is a far riskier investment than hitting.

The Giants have a heavy debt payment on their ballpark.Seems like it might make sense for the young players and prospects to have some time to develop??Granted pitching prospects are a risky investment,but from what I've seen of Linsecum,seems like he has a the right potential...
 
I don't think the Red Sox would really be looking to get another veteran. They've already got Wakefield, and I'm sure Beckett must be considered a veteran by now. If they did want another aging pitcher, they might as well stick with Schilling.
 
The Giants have a heavy debt payment on their ballpark.Seems like it might make sense for the young players and prospects to have some time to develop??Granted pitching prospects are a risky investment,but from what I've seen of Linsecum,seems like he has a the right potential...

I think they'd be better off signing hitters with the money they've been spending on Bonds. Yes, they have to rebuild with their young guys, but without a Bonds chase or division title contention, attendance will dip. I'm not sure they can afford to do a full, multi-year rebuilding effort in such a big market right now.

Of course, as a Dodger fan, I hope they act as irrationally as possible. I only even suggestion this because I'm sure neither team is scanning these forums for my advice. :p

I don't think the Red Sox would really be looking to get another veteran. They've already got Wakefield, and I'm sure Beckett must be considered a veteran by now. If they did want another aging pitcher, they might as well stick with Schilling.

Maybe sign whichever one is cheaper? Both are really only looking for one more year and they're similar in value at this point.
 
The Giants have a heavy debt payment on their ballpark.Seems like it might make sense for the young players and prospects to have some time to develop??Granted pitching prospects are a risky investment,but from what I've seen of Linsecum,seems like he has a the right potential...

Unless you believe lincecum is one fastball away from the DL with that crazy delivery (which a lot of people do).

Then you get the best you can for him while his stock is relatively high.
 
Unless you believe lincecum is one fastball away from the DL with that crazy delivery (which a lot of people do).

Then you get the best you can for him while his stock is relatively high.

Which would lead to the next question..What bat to bring in for a trade?

Brian Sabean acknowledged today that he'll kick the tires on Alex Rodriguez but admitted that it could hamstring the team financially. That's right - he's considering tying up half of the Giants' payroll in two players. Signing with the Giants would be A-Rod embracing his mercenary reputation - the team has no chance of competing next year.

Additionally, Sabean mentioned that the Giants hope to re-sign Omar Vizquel and Pedro Feliz for the left side of their infield. Discussions have begun with Vizquel regarding a one-year pact with a vesting option. It's a very solid defensive tandem, but neither can hit much these days. They don't make much sense for a rebuilding team, unless the angle is to build confidence for the young pitchers.

Sabean also implies that he'll seek to upgrade the Giants by shopping Noah Lowry or Jonathan Sanchez. Shopping Lowry for a solid controllable position player actually seems reasonable.
 
Tough question, a lot of that will depend on where the FA pitching goes and who is left without pitching they think they need.

If I'm the Orioles, I offer tejada hard for lincecum.

Seems like the Orioles have shopped Tejada the last couple off seasons.. For some reason, there's no takers...
 
Seems like the Orioles have shopped Tejada the last couple off seasons.. For some reason, there's no takers...

he's aging, skills are diminishing, taint of steroids with raffy

I just want to see the O's really try to rebuild.

Of course with Mattingly (my favorite player ever) going to the Dodgers and having lived in LA for 7 years, I have to admit, I am pretty much loving Dodger blue right about now.
 
he's aging, skills are diminishing, taint of steroids with raffy

I just want to see the O's really try to rebuild.

Of course with Mattingly (my favorite player ever) going to the Dodgers and having lived in LA for 7 years, I have to admit, I am pretty much loving Dodger blue right about now.

Well they can build around Markakis and Wieters. As far as Bedard and Roberts are concerned,I couldn't see this scenario unless they were going to totally tear it down and rebuild:
The O's are at a crossroads with Bedard and Roberts. They're locked in through 2009, and would have a lot of value on the trade market. The Orioles have to at least listen on these guys. Bedard is going to cost a king's ransom to sign long-term, and Roberts may prefer to leave for a winner.
 
What will A-Rod do in Florida, can the Marlins afford him and everyone else, the only thought is that he can help get a new stadium. Otherwise I see no reason for the Marlins to get involved in the A-Rod sweepstakes.

The Yankees picked up the 1 year option on Abreu.
 
Well they can build around Markakis and Wieters. As far as Bedard and Roberts are concerned,I couldn't see this scenario unless they were going to totally tear it down and rebuild:

Yeah it's just going to take time to get rid of some horrible contracts like Mora and Gibbons and ramon hernandez.

Baltimore may not be big money like the sox and yankees, but their payroll is pushing $100 million.

Their dollars spent per win is absolutely horrendous.

Benson's gone thank god, along with his $8 million salary.

I'd like to see Tejada, Mora, Hernandez, Gibbons, Baez, Payton, and Patterson all go.

That there would free up about $48 million.

Put the kids in and let them play.
 
The first thing the O's need to get rid of is ownership. Then worry about the players.
 
I'd like to see Tejada, Mora, Hernandez, Gibbons, Baez, Payton, and Patterson all go.

That there would free up about $48 million.

Put the kids in and let them play.

Now that's really tearing it down and building it back up....Hope their farm system can sustain the rebuilding....
 
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