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MLB Hotstove 08
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I may be wrong, but I believe this is the only opportunity Rodriguez has to exercise his "opt-out" clause.
I believe Cabrera is still arbitration eligible with the Marlins till '09, there is a 6 year window right, and he was a rookie in '03. So unless the Marlins decide not to go to arbitration he won't be available, as is Willis.
He would be a great addition to any team, just would wonder what the marlins would want in exchange.
I'd love to see him in Boston if the Sox don't resign Lowell.
Torre, A-Rod, Posada, Rivera NEED to stay.
Giambi, Abreu, Clemens NEED to go. Abreu might be a good influence on the younger guys, but he is holding the team back. A complete was of money in my opinion. Giambi can preform but he is getting old and not where he once was. Don't get me started with the Clemens offer, I knew that was going to be a waste of money.
Moose stays if we can fit him, but the Yankees must look for a better rotation (prospects or free agents).
Other than the Yankees, be on the watch next year for the Mariners.
Giambi, Abreu, Clemens NEED to go. Abreu might be a good influence on the younger guys, but he is holding the team back. A complete was of money in my opinion. Giambi can preform but he is getting old and not where he once was. Don't get me started with the Clemens offer, I knew that was going to be a waste of money.
Moose stays if we can fit him, but the Yankees must look for a better rotation (prospects or free agents).
Other than the Yankees, be on the watch next year for the Mariners.
This is A Rod's opt out year..He still has 3 years for $81 million coming to him. Texas is picking up a nice chunk of that money.
What's with the feeling with Lowe and the Dodgers??
What's with the feeling with Lowe and the Dodgers??
Lemme guess..It was Easterbrook right?I hope we don't even explore that avenue..
Bill Simmons.
The talk in Florida is possibly moving Cabrera to 1st. He made a lot of errors at 3rd last year. I was pretty sure he wasn't free agent eligible next year but even in arbitration he could become too expensive for the notoriously cheap Marlins management.
I thought Rod could opt out either this year or next. Either way the logic still applies IMO. His market value goes way up when he starts seriously chasing the home run record.
I believe the Dodgers have Lowe under option for next season. He had a rough last month or so of the season but then so did the entire team. LA can't count on getting Schmidt back in the rotation, and no other obvious options, so they'll need Lowe.
I'd say that ARod's value is extremely high right now because of the monsterous season he just jud. While I'm sure he'll have another great season next year, I dunno if it could be as good as this one was.
Hotstove 08?
How about "Thread all about what the Yankees will or won't do" ?
But sure, I'll bite.
I grew up watching the yankees.
From the days of Dent and Nettles and Guidry through the Bobby Meacham days up to the Dave Winfield and Don Mattingly days.
Back in those days, particularly during the Mattingly years, what consistently bogged the yankees down were two things:
1) overpaying for old talent, not letting youth develop.
2) Musical chairs for the manager.
What finally made that team great in the late 1990s-early 2000s was stability in the front office and managers positions and building up from below with youth like rivera, jeter, posada, bernie williams, Andy Pettitte.
Now they have some young guys with the likes of Cano and Hughes, Chaimberlin and Cabrera. The last thing they need to do is create turmoil in the managerial position or bring in overpriced talent to push that youth to the sidelines.
It's time to realize that it aint 2000 anymore.
The diamondbacks have won a world series more recently than the yankees.
They didn't make it to the postseason all these years, but they did retool, and now they have an excellent shot at returning.
How about "Thread all about what the Yankees will or won't do" ?
But sure, I'll bite.
I grew up watching the yankees.
From the days of Dent and Nettles and Guidry through the Bobby Meacham days up to the Dave Winfield and Don Mattingly days.
Back in those days, particularly during the Mattingly years, what consistently bogged the yankees down were two things:
1) overpaying for old talent, not letting youth develop.
2) Musical chairs for the manager.
What finally made that team great in the late 1990s-early 2000s was stability in the front office and managers positions and building up from below with youth like rivera, jeter, posada, bernie williams, Andy Pettitte.
Now they have some young guys with the likes of Cano and Hughes, Chaimberlin and Cabrera. The last thing they need to do is create turmoil in the managerial position or bring in overpriced talent to push that youth to the sidelines.
It's time to realize that it aint 2000 anymore.
The diamondbacks have won a world series more recently than the yankees.
They didn't make it to the postseason all these years, but they did retool, and now they have an excellent shot at returning.
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Me too! Don't forget Roy White leading off.....Chris Chambliss..... Nettles was one of my favorite players
I generally agree with you, although I think they need to let their young players develop while Jeter et al are still around. With Joe Torre--I don't know. I think this is the right time for him to graciously ride off into the sunset, and then a minute later I think he should stay.
Tough one, and I think a lot depends on what Rodriguez does. Part of me thinks they're better off without him, another part thinks that he's THISCLOSE to being a "true" Yankee.
Me too! Don't forget Roy White leading off.....Chris Chambliss..... Nettles was one of my favorite players
I generally agree with you, although I think they need to let their young players develop while Jeter et al are still around. With Joe Torre--I don't know. I think this is the right time for him to graciously ride off into the sunset, and then a minute later I think he should stay.
Tough one, and I think a lot depends on what Rodriguez does. Part of me thinks they're better off without him, another part thinks that he's THISCLOSE to being a "true" Yankee.
No mention of any other year as the opt out year.All I could find:
"He could opt out tomorrow if he wanted to, but I haven't discussed that with him," Boras said. "All those decisions will be made when we sit down and talk."
The Chicago Cubs and Los Angeles Angels are viewed as possible destinations, although their payrolls are dwarfed by that of the Yankees.
Rodriguez is guaranteed $24 million annually by New York in each of the next three seasons. But part of that would be offset by $21,304,500 the Rangers still owe New York as part of the trade. In addition, Rodriguez is due $3 million each year by the Rangers, money that is deferred a 2 percent annual interest rate and scheduled to be paid from 2016-25.
Yankees general manager Brian Cashman said that if Rodriguez opts out and the Yankees lose that $21 million subsidy the team would cut off negotiations.
"That would be my position, yes, that would be my very strong recommendation," he said. "There is a date and if you can make a deal before that date, fine. After that date, it becomes a much different economic animal. It makes less sense."
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For the Red Sox,they need to address of the issue of Veritek's successor at catcher. Tek's getting older and starts to wear down late in the season. They've got a catcher coming up in the minors,but that's it..
I think they should make an offer to sign Lowell.He's a team player and a great player in the clubhouse.
"He could opt out tomorrow if he wanted to, but I haven't discussed that with him," Boras said. "All those decisions will be made when we sit down and talk."
The Chicago Cubs and Los Angeles Angels are viewed as possible destinations, although their payrolls are dwarfed by that of the Yankees.
Rodriguez is guaranteed $24 million annually by New York in each of the next three seasons. But part of that would be offset by $21,304,500 the Rangers still owe New York as part of the trade. In addition, Rodriguez is due $3 million each year by the Rangers, money that is deferred a 2 percent annual interest rate and scheduled to be paid from 2016-25.
Yankees general manager Brian Cashman said that if Rodriguez opts out and the Yankees lose that $21 million subsidy the team would cut off negotiations.
"That would be my position, yes, that would be my very strong recommendation," he said. "There is a date and if you can make a deal before that date, fine. After that date, it becomes a much different economic animal. It makes less sense."
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For the Red Sox,they need to address of the issue of Veritek's successor at catcher. Tek's getting older and starts to wear down late in the season. They've got a catcher coming up in the minors,but that's it..
I think they should make an offer to sign Lowell.He's a team player and a great player in the clubhouse.
I think the Tigers could absorb it, but then they would be SOL for attaining any other quality players for a while, and then they would be hard pressed to resign guys like Granderson and Zumaya down the road. The only other reason the Tigers might have a shot is because a lot of their players are Scott Boras clients and they have a good relationship with him (Verlander, Pudge, maybe Maggs). I dont know if I want A-Rod if it hinders the club from attaining other players that much, especially when the basis for winning a championship is pitching. The tigers have good pitching, but it is young and bound to hit some bumps along the way, id rather have another quality veteran starter, but then again, those are pretty hard to come by. I would seriously doubt him wanting to come to detroit though, but it is fun to hear the guys on the radio speculating, especially since the Tigers were irrelevant for so long.
Interesting comments from David Ortiz, who said the Yankees would suffer without Torre:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/12/s...em&ex=1192334400&en=6684214182d885b1&ei=5087
I have to admit--my respect for Ortiz just skyrocketed. A classy thing to say.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/12/s...em&ex=1192334400&en=6684214182d885b1&ei=5087
I have to admit--my respect for Ortiz just skyrocketed. A classy thing to say.
As a Giants fan, that's what I'm afraid of. He's still a good player despite his big drop in production this year (Why did this happen? Was he playing through injury or something?), and he's still relatively young (by Giants standards), but he's not a Barry Bonds-like franchise player and I have a feeling the Giants' ownership will go behind Brian Sabean's back and grossly overpay for him.
Still, I'd rather have Jones than the other CF name being bandied about, Torii Hunter.
You know there are other teams beside yanks, red sox, & mets. The cards have been the best team in baseball the last 5 years. This year injuries killed us. Next year we will be back on top. Mulder, Carpenter, and Wainwright. If they can pick up one more good arm we will be unbeatable. I would take pujols any day over A-rod. He doesn't choke in the post season and has numbers pretty much the same. Pujols has a higher career BA, Slugging Avg, OBP, He's 27 compared to a-rod 32. Albert has 282 to 513. Give albert 5 years at 30 HR a year and he has 430 HR. The big thing is Albert does not choke in october. Also he makes under 13 million a year, always a class act, never complanes about money. A-rod wants 30 mil a year is sad. Hope he opts out and loses money.
the cards are fine, but they aren't exactly major hot stove players, which is what this thread is about.
If Arod opts out there's basically no way he's going to lose money.
The Yanks obviously want him, not for the least of reasons that his salary is being partially picked up by Texas. Something like $7 mill a year or so.
I don't know what his thought process is, but I have to think that despite putting up great numbers and winning a shelf full of MVPs, going to new york was not good for Arod.
He could be headed to breaking Bonds' record as a short stop, but the move had to accomodate Jeter so he went to 3rd. Big mistake. Sure he's a fall of famer, but he looks a lot better putting up those numbers as a short stop.
If Arod opts out there's basically no way he's going to lose money.
The Yanks obviously want him, not for the least of reasons that his salary is being partially picked up by Texas. Something like $7 mill a year or so.
I don't know what his thought process is, but I have to think that despite putting up great numbers and winning a shelf full of MVPs, going to new york was not good for Arod.
He could be headed to breaking Bonds' record as a short stop, but the move had to accomodate Jeter so he went to 3rd. Big mistake. Sure he's a fall of famer, but he looks a lot better putting up those numbers as a short stop.
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I'm curious to see if anybody makes a move for Santana..I know he's signed thru 08,but he wasn't happy when the Twins didn't do anything at the trading deadline..
No need to apologize. Regulars in the baseball threads know that any discussion not about the Red Sox or the Yankees gets drowned out quickly.
Hey, Jim Tracy is available!
True that, although the Cards and Dodgers SHOULD be in the discussion--since those teams have, IMO, two of the best baseball traditions around.
The Dodger tradition has really suffered in recent years. The Fox ownership was a disaster, from which the franchise is still recovering. But yes, I expect the club to be an important hot stove participant. They've got a big hole at third and probably two positions in the rotation to fill, with nobody obvious coming up who can jump into them. All the other positions are pretty well nailed down, though they might be willing to part with Ethier or Kemp if the opportunity to sign a really big veteran bat comes along.
That's for sure about Fox ownership.
I've been a Yankee fan my whole life--grew up in northern NJ, first game was a Yankee game (against Cleveland--Yanks won it 7-3, Bobby Murcer hit a triple, Mel Stottlemyre pitched), etc. But baseball is better when the Dodgers are relevant.
Ditto the Cardinals (probably my favorite NL team, since my grandfather was friends with Red Schoendienst (hope I spelled that correctly!) and I got to meet him a couple times).
Living in Denver, sure, the Rockies are a great baseball story, but if they were to disappear next year no one would notice or care (much). So I hope the Dodgers get better, but not so much better that they run away and hide from the division (which I think they can do just from a revenue base perspective).
I've been a Yankee fan my whole life--grew up in northern NJ, first game was a Yankee game (against Cleveland--Yanks won it 7-3, Bobby Murcer hit a triple, Mel Stottlemyre pitched), etc. But baseball is better when the Dodgers are relevant.
Ditto the Cardinals (probably my favorite NL team, since my grandfather was friends with Red Schoendienst (hope I spelled that correctly!) and I got to meet him a couple times).
Living in Denver, sure, the Rockies are a great baseball story, but if they were to disappear next year no one would notice or care (much). So I hope the Dodgers get better, but not so much better that they run away and hide from the division (which I think they can do just from a revenue base perspective).