More Claims of Taller, Thinner Next-Generation iPhone with 4-Inch Screen and New Dock Connector

[bushido]

this one was bad enough, keep the aspect radio and just make it bigger

Here is what they need:

8. Massive IOS redesign

I WISH but they probably wont, look at Mac OS X it never really got that big of a change

 

[iansilv]

Why is everyone complaining about the possible change in aspect ratio?!?

Look- its taller, but the same resolution width wise. Any app can either be centered in the screen, or iOS 6 can have a trick to stretch out the center where content is displayed. Most apps have menu bars on top and bottom. Center is for displaying content. Make the display taller- boom- more content area. Angry birds, other games- slight update to show a slightly wider area in the middle. Widescreen movies, HDTV shows- all look significantly bigger in the new aspect ratio. And when you turn the phone on its side, you can surf the web better with more pixels. Plus- another row of icons shown.

I just don't understand why everyone things "fragmentation.". I get the feeling they have thought of this and 90% of apps out there will automatically just show more content...

 

[Macopotamus]

Exactly this.

Apple has 600K+ apps designed for 3:2. They've railed about Android fragmentation. There's no way in hell that they're changing the aspect ratio now. Larger screen? I'll buy that. But they'll be expanding it in both directions. In the mockups there's still the standard bevel on the left and right sides of the screens. You really think they'll expand upwards before using all of that space? My prediction is a 4" screen, same 960x640 resolution, screen goes right up to the side edges, slightly taller and wider device.

Hope you are right, a different aspect ratio would be a mess for developers. Plus those mockups are really ugly.

Regarding the new Dock connector, unless it's MagSafe they shouldn't change it.

 

[rgravell]

Right, a minority of users.

The general public us more than happy with the 3.5" screen size. It's really a minority of techies that are screaming for the 4" screen.

 

[iansilv]

good god apple STOP CHANGING YOUR CONNECTOR or switch to a connector that everyone else is using (micro USB perhaps?).

Every stupid time they do this I have to purchase all new crap for my house and change out the entire iConnectors in my car which requires me to pull the entire dash apart. This is just me too...what about all of the 3rd party manufacturers (including cars) that now have to change AGAIN. Thankfully some have gotten wise to apple's BS when it comes to connectors and have simply put USB ports in their cars to avoid spending millions changing their stuff up every time apple updates it's crap on a whim.

After this, they'll change it again to a thunderbolt port on the iPhone 6.

Maybe the problem isn't that they update their connector CONSTANTLY but the frequency at which they do this.

What? Seriously- what? When has appl changed their dock connector? It's been around for like ten years! And that last sentence? What does that even mean?

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I would like to see a MagSafe connector.

 

[jdoll021]

Same Aspect Ratio?

Here's a question:

Supposedly, Apple has a smaller iPad with the same aspect ratio that won't screw with the way developers build their apps. Why can't Apple do the same for the iPhone in the other direction? Increase the size of the iPhone while maintaining the same aspect ratio in a way that won't mess up the way developers build their apps? For the iPad, 7.85" was the magic number to go small. What would be the magic number for the iPhone to go larger? Is it even possible or would the iPhone just be ridiculously huge?

 

[mkoesel]

You gain a LOT of things with a bigger screen with the same resolution but lower pixel density. For one, this is a touch screen. You gain finger room for keyboards and gestures and the like. Secondly, there is a minimum size for text, controls, objects in games, etc. that things need to be in order to be seen comfortably. When you enlarge the screen, those things can remain the same size and then you can fit more on the screen. For instance, more text for reading a book or more shown on a similarly zoomed web page. Lastly, movies / video have a larger screen to play on.

Great. But exactly none of that benefit is lost if you also increase resolution.

In fact, by increasing resolution, with respect to your point about being able to keep things the same size and gain more screen room, it means that, in the case of bitmapped graphics such as icons and sprites, there is no work for the developer. If you leave resolution alone as you suggest, now you need to redo all those images at a lower resolution in order to achieve the space gain.

Let me ask you again: you said earlier that you expect both screen size and resolution to change in the future. Can you describe specifically what you are envisioning?

You may get a similar effect on the latter by holding in closer, but who really want to hold a screen unfortably closer for a 2 hour movie.

For a two hour movie holding the phone is already uncomfortable.

Speaking of movies, if we make the screen 16x9 then the movie will display larger than it would have at some other aspect ratio of the same diagonal screen size. Or we can make the diagonal smaller than it would need to be at such a non-16x9 aspect ratio, and still get the same size movie.

 

[Tones2]

The general public us more than happy with the 3.5" screen size. It's really a minority of techies that are screaming for the 4" screen.

I assume you have statistics to back that up.

If anything, I think it's complete opposite. That's why almost every OTHER smartphone has 4.0" - 5.3" screens and people are buying them. If anything, the opinions on this forum are distorted the other way - more people say they want 3.5" here than is the opinion of the general publics because this forum reeks of fanboyism and anything that currently exists to them is perfect.

 

[Joshwawilson]

The phone is already tall for its width, they shouldnt make it taller, they just need to utilize more of the chin space and make it a few millimeters wider

 

[Lynn Belvedere]

Sooooooooooooooo ugly.

 

[rgravell]

Here's a question:

Supposedly, Apple has a smaller iPad with the same aspect ratio that won't screw with the way developers build their apps. Why can't Apple do the same for the iPhone in the other direction? Increase the size of the iPhone while maintaining the same aspect ratio in a way that won't mess up the way developers build their apps? For the iPad, 7.85" was the magic number to go small. What would be the magic number for the iPhone to go larger? Is it even possible or would the iPhone just be ridiculously huge?

It's not so much that they couldn't or it would be super huge, it's more the way the rumor is defining it. It would mess up the resolution and fragment the sizes.

 

[Tones2]

Great. But exactly none of that benefit is lost if you also increase resolution.

In fact, by increasing resolution, with respect to your point about being able to keep things the same size and gain more screen room, it means that, in the case of bitmapped graphics such as icons and sprites, there is no work for the developer. If you leave resolution alone as you suggest, now you need to redo all those images at a lower resolution in order to achieve the space gain.

Let me ask you again: you said earlier that you expect both screen size and resolution to change in the future. Can you describe specifically what you are envisioning?

For a two hour movie holding the phone is already uncomfortable.

Speaking of movies, if we make the screen 16x9 then the movie will display larger than it would have at some other aspect ratio of the same diagonal screen size. Or we can make the diagonal smaller than it would need to be at such a non-16x9 aspect ratio, and still get the same size movie.

I'm not against increasing resolution. I'm against changing the aspect ratio. CURRENTLY, the only way to efficiently increase the resolution without changing the aspect ratio is to DOUBLE it, because then no interpolation is required to do on the fly conversions for existing apps. However, no way Apple can double iPhone resolution right now as the technology - CPU, battery, screen - just doesn't exist to support that.

So I expect in the near future a larger screen size, with the same aspect ratio and resolution but with slightly a lower pixel density. They need the larger screen to keep up with the market and they need to keep the aspect ratio not to have developers pull their hair out with yet another one to support. I do expect Apple to increase resolution sometime in the FUTURE - but not for several years. I don't expect the aspect ratio will change anytime soon.

Tony

 

[geta]

if this is the next version... its gonna be sooooo gay...

 

[jdoll021]

It's not so much that they couldn't or it would be super huge, it's more the way the rumor is defining it. It would mess up the resolution and fragment the sizes.

That's kind of what I was trying to get at. The 7.85" iPad supposedly sitting in Jony Ive's lab achieves the drop in screen size without messing up the resolution and fragmenting the sizes. The 7.85" size is apparently the "sweet spot" in dropping the screen size to keep resolution and fragmentation from being problems. Is there not one for the iPhone? Can you not increase the size while maintaining the current aspect ratio without resolution and fragmentation being problems?

 

[Slayter]

No no, they will keep the same design as last year,.. And year before... Sharp edges, slippery glass, nice attributes for on-the-go device, right? Why not to keep it same next few years? iSheeps will still buy it( happy that they have a great design which don't need changes), and We will save some money for not deliver a new design ( cool huh?).

 

[mkoesel]

Here's a question:

Supposedly, Apple has a smaller iPad with the same aspect ratio that won't screw with the way developers build their apps. Why can't Apple do the same for the iPhone in the other direction? Increase the size of the iPhone while maintaining the same aspect ratio in a way that won't mess up the way developers build their apps?

Apple can do that, just as folks have suggested in this thread. There are some disadvantages associated with doing that, however, as I've pointed out above.

 

[Mortalias]

Not a chance in hell that design leaves the janitor's office much less Johnny Ives' desk.

 

[Wicked1]

ah not interested in whatever the 5 looks like, I truly love my White 32GB 4S.

I liked the 4 as well, however the speed and performance increase on the 4S is way better, but still my all time favorite was my White 3GS 32gb.

I have the iPhone since the 3G but the 3GS was my fav, then the 4 was cool, and now I am just happy with my 4S

 

[T-Will]

Today: "ZOMG TAHT IS SOOO FREKKIN FUGLY!11"

After "new iPhone" announcement: "ZOMG TAHT IS SOOO KEWL ITS GLORIUOS I GOTS TO HAVSE IT ADN WILL SACRAFISE MY FISRT BRON CHIDL FOR IT!111"

 

[lyricthejoe]

SO ugly. That's definitely step backward. People buy the iphone for it's looks, too ya know! *crosses fingers*

 

[jdoll021]

Apple can do that, just as folks have suggested in this thread. There are some disadvantages associated with doing that, however, as I've pointed out above.

Thanks, I saw that after my last post. So it sounds like keeping the same resolution won't work because you'll loose pixel density (something Apple probably doesn't want to do) and you can't double resolution to make life easier on developers because the current technology is insufficient. I'm curious though, if you double resolution and increase screen size while maintaining the current aspect ratio, what would the screen size end up being? I'm guessing it won't be 4.0".

 

[Digital Skunk]

Yes, taken from a German newspaper head line.

The kind of newspaper where blood runs out if you don't hold it level.
Same in England.

HA! Is there any other kind?!

 

[3282868]

if this is the next version... its gonna be sooooo gay...

Sorry, I didn't realize phones could be gay. Good job on the homophobic comment.

Back on point, with Apple moving towards wireless connectivity with their devices (aside from charging), you think people will be peeved if there is a new USB cable required? Not a big deal, I have so many of them from over the years if I laid em out it'd be about a mile long lol.

As for size, I'd like this idea assuming it doesn't hinder RI/sizes, etc.

 

[OafTobark]

...look im buying anything apple throws at me like it or not. they own us.

Think Superbowl 1984

This next gen iPhone will amaze us just like the 4 did. So y'all sit back, be amused with these absurd mock-ups and just know the Ives and Cook are laughing their rear ends off. Join em!

 

[3282868]

SO ugly. That's definitely step backward. People buy the iphone for it's looks, too ya know! *crosses fingers*

With every new iteration of an iPhone, some comment "it's ugly", etc. which then turn into "it's awesome! don't ever change it" Not that I'm stating you're wrong, taste is subjective

(I hated the 3G design as well, but then later grew to like it)