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More Details on Apple's Intel Mac

Mac OS X on Dells? No way.

tdar said:
I am not so sure you'll see OSX running out of the box on your new DELL....I'd bet you will find that the OS is Bios locked to onlly run on APPLE bios systems....All of the large MS OEM's do this today....
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Somewhere else I read that Apple stated that you will not be able to install Mac OS X on a non-Mac. So no you will not be able to install Mac OS X on your Dell.

-Hugh
 
Peace said:
Look at the 3rd pic down.It clearly shows a PCI card in a PCI slot.
If it isnt a graphics card what is it?
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That's a DVI riser, sir.

If you've noticed, the motherboard does not come all the way to the back of the case like the current G5's do..

Thus, a DVI riser is needed, because Apple wanted to use the old cases.

No way in hell we'll see a DVI riser in shipping consumer machines though.
 
alex_ant said:
It must be the reality distortion field... and I must not be affected because I personally think this Mac is a bastard child. It is morally corrupt. I feel dirty just looking at it.
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Go watch the keynote.

And if you've already seen it, watch it again. Keep doing so until your fears are allayed! ;) :rolleyes:
 
What about the Timeline

I personally think the biggest concern is the timeline, this announcement will probably stall mac sales until the Intel cpu based Mac's come out, and a year just seems like way to long to wait. If converting apps is as easy as Jobs said in the presentation, and a lot of the Apple stuff is already running on the Intel systems(iLife, etc...), why not six months?
 
Hugh said:
Somewhere else I read that Apple stated that you will not be able to install Mac OS X on a non-Mac. So no you will not be able to install Mac OS X on your Dell.
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Specifically, Apple said they they wouldn't allow it. People do lots of things they aren't allowed to do.
 
Interesting that the dev kit uses the Intel GMA900 (usually part of chipsets such as the 915G)-which supports DirectX on PC's. I wonder how they got it to support Quartz Extreme. Nice to see the dev kit uses DDR2 RAM.
 
FredAkbar said:
How do we know that the Mac mini will be the first to switch to Intel? When I first heard the news, I figured PowerMacs would be first, and it would "trickle down the line," just like the switch to G4s and G5s.
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First the low end macs would go intel, only then the pro. So it will be a "climb up" effect rather than trickle down. Why? Coz Intel has mobile versions of their chips (i.e. low power low heat processors targeted mainly at laptops) which is what apple exactly needs in their minis and also in their future powerbooks. They haven't had anything suitable for the powerbook until now (cooling, low power); and powerbooks are begging for an update for quite a while now.
 
i also think that allowing windows to run on a mac diminishes the perceived value of apple and OSX...i mean heck its pretty much confirming the hardware is overpriced windows pc stuff

i see no need to dual boot or whatever unless you're into games. its too easy for software companies to forgo OSX and say ' just boot to windows' while i admit its convienent (whereas i now use remote desktop to a pc in a closet for the quiet) as a user I perfer to find alternative solutions especially linux apps or remote in than go down the dual boot slope for convience sake only...
 
CrazySteve said:
You are quite wrong in that. Consoles have traditionaly used PC-alike
systems for development (cross-compiling). You cant really develop XBOX
games on an XBOX do you ? You need a PC-like development kit (same as Dreamcast-Katana, PS2 and so on)

My point is that these "dev kits" are clearly pee-cees in pretty clothing.
The final design will have to be compatible with them which means:

1) No custom x86 processor just for Apple. The shipping new Mac proc
will have to be compatible with the P4 that the dev kits use
2) Current OSX runs with no problem at every PC that meets the dev kit
specs out there
3) If it leaks, you can be pretty ****ing sure every pc geek is going to be
running it well before we do.
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Now that i think about it more, it seems more possible that this was
Jobs plan all along. Make the platform as pee-cee like as possible so
OSX runs very easy on every pc. Hell, he might leak the current
x86 OSX version himself. Pc geeks download it and try it out,
drivers for different videocards are "mysteriously" made available.
In 2 years, a big part of the PC world is running OSX well before
the actual Mac-tels are out.......
 
stockscalper said:
So the one used at the conference had a Phoenix Bios? Does this mean when it crashes it will dump you to the C: prompt? :eek:
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I'm sure you are joking but because some will not get it....NO!!!!!! that comes from DOS not the hardware.......
 
Steve if your reading this, if you guys release a intel based powerbook next month, chalk me down for one. :)
 
joeboy_45101 said:
Bloody Intel Integrated Graphics!!!! I sure hope to hell that this is just a quick fix to get the price of the developer kit down and lower the amount of hardware to ship.

I may have changed my opinion of Intel chips and x86 and CISC processors, but there is no way anybody is going to convince me that Integrated Graphics are superior to Dedicated Graphics. :mad:
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and we arrived to the day when the nvida 5200 actually sounds good :cool:
hells is really freezing over :eek:
 
aafuss1 said:
Interesting that the dev kit uses the Intel GMA900 (usually part of chipsets such as the 915G)-which supports DirectX on PC's. I wonder how they got it to support Quartz Extreme. Nice to see the dev kit uses DDR2 RAM.
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Anything that is a GPU and capable of OpenGL can run Quartz Extreme with as little as 16MB VRAM (though 32 is reccommended). What I'm wondering however, is how apple got that ripple effect while dragging and dropping widgets on the dashboard. I think this one is CoreImage dependent and that one requires a programmable GPU (i.e. a card on a level equivalent to supporting DirectX 9). Anyone any ideas?
 
zach said:
That's a DVI riser, sir.

If you've noticed, the motherboard does not come all the way to the back of the case like the current G5's do..

Thus, a DVI riser is needed, because Apple wanted to use the old cases.

No way in hell we'll see a DVI riser in shipping consumer machines though.
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Thanks!

Integrated graphics suck..

I'm wondering why this dev kit is starting to look so outdated compared to Macs.
 
miccoli84 said:
that turned out to be a joke, and the kid apoligized afterwords.
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Of course it was a joke, but it was a real G5 cabinet (the photo of the G5 populated with Apple hardware wasn't the same cabinet) :D
 
Peace said:
These are NOT stock MB's..I've built a lot of PC's and I've never seen a fan built into the MB..Look at the CPU..there's no heat sink or fan on it.
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I build a lot of PCs too - and honestly I think you are just not used to looking at the MB upside down ;)

That 'fan built into the MB' IS the fan on the CPU, that thing you are looking at with no fan on it is one of the controller chips on the MB.

It looks like a pretty stock system to me. Its just a dev box, this whole conversation is pointless, the real deal will have nothing to do with it at all.

The only thing I'm concerned about is the lack of open firmware, but that's due to the developer docs at apples site. We have no information if they will end up using BIOS (the fact that the dev box uses it is meaningless) - and this dev box is nothing to base any conclutions on at all except for one thing:
The new Apples will run on x86.

That's all there is to see here, and we already knew that.
 
Do you guys think that Apple will still be shipping Dual processor Mactels?
Perhaps it will as it is now, low end PowerMac single, and the rest of PowerMacs Dual processor workstations. I sure hope so, I got used to seeing to CPU in the PowerMacs.
 
jarodsix said:
Anything that is a GPU and capable of OpenGL can run Quartz Extreme with as little as 16MB VRAM (though 32 is reccommended). What I'm wondering however, is how apple got that ripple effect while dragging and dropping widgets on the dashboard. I think this one is CoreImage dependent and that one requires a programmable GPU (i.e. a card on a level equivalent to supporting DirectX 9). Anyone any ideas?
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Intel 900X graphics support DX 9 just fine.....
 
CrazySteve said:
Now that i think about it more, it seems more possible that this was
Jobs plan all along. Make the platform as pee-cee like as possible so
OSX runs very easy on every pc. Hell, he might leak the current
x86 OSX version himself. Pc geeks download it and try it out,
drivers for different videocards are "mysteriously" made available.
In 2 years, a big part of the PC world is running OSX well before
the actual Mac-tels are out.......
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Not a chance. You think PC geeks are a "Big part" of the PC world? You're wrong.

If Apple DELIBERATELY made all this stuff available, plastered it on their front page with "download here", they'd be lucky to get 5% of the market.

REMEBER! PC's DOMINATE. And unlike Mac users, half the people who own a PC just own it because they need to get on teh interweb and type in word.

That's why you can get a usable PC for 300 bucks, and you can't get a usable mac for less than 800.
 
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