More Details on Motorola Droid Surface

[*LTD*]

looks like a version with at&t/rogers 3G just cleared the fcc

http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/10...droid-sholes-hits-the-fcc-for-real-this-time/

So?

Rogers middle-mangement (in GTA marketing) is already laughing at it. Behind closed doors, of course.

But just to be fair, I'll throw out the obligatory "we'll see."

 

[JesterJJZ]

Dialing a phone is a different then controls in your car. But keep believe your driving fine.

Please re-read all my posts, you're missing my point and jabbing at me for no reason.

 

[TennisandMusic]

Success will destroy android. we're already seeing an explosion of android devices as this continues it will destroy android. Why? Hardware inconsistency. The Android platform will soon be like the PC platform hundreds of different hardware configurations to support. One base firmware will no longer work as manufactures will add the own code to support their added hardware features. ( necessary to stand out in a crowded market) Upgrades will have to come from each maker. Development will become a mess as coders will not be able to depend on every phone having the features needed for their app.

Contrary to popular opinion Apple doesn't keep things simple just to screw you. They realize every added feature is and added support cost down the line that also slows down development. With no control of hardware Goggle can not prevent the de-evolution of Android caused by poor hardware design.

In the end we have a phone with software made by someone that believes they don't have to ever worry about the hardware design and hardware made by someone that believes they don't have to ever worry about the software design. That can only add up to trouble.

That said Android will kill off WM and palm quite easily and BB soon after leaving Apple and Android in the US market with nokia still strong in foreign markets

You really think Apple's simple software is a means to an end for faster development? If that is the case, why is all of their software behind competitors? Their music and video software is seriously behind the times.

Apple exists to make a ton of money. They are very good at it. They are hardly some benevolent company who is pushing things forward in the tech sector. Practically everything they do is behind the curve, but wrapped up in a very nice package.

It's amazing how successful Apple marketing really is.

Edit: Also, your comparison of the Android to PC is extremely foolish if you think that it's a negative. The PC's 90+% marketshare is a result of how beautifully Windows can run on practically millions of configurations. Apple can't even get their own OS to work properly on their own closed systems. Very very foolish comparison.

 

[spazzcat]

Please re-read all my posts, you're missing my point and jabbing at me for no reason.

I'm not jabbing at you per say. But I am getting to the point where I am getting tired of near miss accidents because people to are to busy to watch were they are driving.

 

[Papajohn56]

Yeah just like the Palm Pre was supposed to give Apple some competition, in a few months you will be saying the next iphone killer will give this so called competition.

Except this is on Verizon, and is an open platform. This one has somewhat of a shot of making a dent. Verizon is the biggest carrier and has a gigantic service advantage over AT&T.

 

[Goona]

is the iPhone the "blackberry killer"?



Ha! classic response on these forums, who cares about functionality which you haven't tested, lets just base it off aesthetics.



I guess in order to be a true mac fan you have to denounce all things non-apple in order to be considered a true fan.

When was the last time anybody used "blackberry killer"?

 

[Goona]

LOL. Of course of course, without flash the iPhone won't sell .

Don't mind them, the Palm Pre which had more hype than this phone has now gone into oblivion, this phone will be replaced by the next future "iphone killer".

 

[Unprocessed1]

Except this is on Verizon, and is an open platform. This one has somewhat of a shot of making a dent. Verizon is the biggest carrier and has a gigantic service advantage over AT&T.

I think that's the main point. If T-mobile or Sprint had this phone, it wouldn't be getting half the media coverage it's getting. I think the hype has exceeded that of the Palm Pre. We don't even have videos of the phone yet!

 

[*LTD*]

I guess in order to be a true mac fan you have to denounce all things non-apple in order to be considered a true fan.

We wouldn't be denouncing them if they were actually worth our interest. Apple sets the bar in nearly every area in which it competes.

 

[Stella]

This probably 'discussion' probably long ago devolved into another long thread of how the iPhone should be enough for everybody on this planet, and anyone who disagrees should be sent off to the Funny Farm right this minute!!!

I'm going back to the start to page 1 and will enjoy the entertainment that will no doubt ensue!!

 

[immortalix]

There is way too much hype about new smartphones: Sprint Instinct, T-Mobile G1, Palm Pre, Blackberry Storm, etc., and now this. None of the previous hyped smartphones have come close to the market share of the iPhone. I think this is just because most people who are want smartphones are already locked into a contract with one, and those who are looking for one are likely to choose the best or most commonly used: Blackberry and iPhone. The main advantage of the Droid phone is Verizon, but it will likely have a very hefty price to it. The Droid, though looking pretty cool, is probably likely going to be like the past few "iPhone killers", cool and awaited, but won't live up to the name.

 

[oban14]

If the browser is better, I'm switching.

If it isn't, I'll stick with the iphone.

 

[Number 41]

Edit: Also, your comparison of the Android to PC is extremely foolish if you think that it's a negative. The PC's 90+% marketshare is a result of how beautifully Windows can run on practically millions of configurations. Apple can't even get their own OS to work properly on their own closed systems. Very very foolish comparison.

The PC's 90% marketshare is due, in large part to inertia and lower prices than Apple. Outfitting every desk with a Windows PC (especially back in the 90s) was significantly less expensive than outfitting every desk with a Mac -- for the overwhelming majority of businesses and computer buyers, the discussion ended there.

You missed the OP's point entirely.

 

[oban14]

The PC's 90% marketshare is due, in large part to inertia and lower prices than Apple. Outfitting every desk with a Windows PC (especially back in the 90s) was significantly less expensive than outfitting every desk with a Mac -- for the overwhelming majority of businesses and computer buyers, the discussion ended there.

You missed the OP's point entirely.

Regardless, I don't know anyone who honestly appreciates Apple restricting/blocking applications from the iPhone.

At worst, they should have two sections in the apps store: Apps that are "Apple Approved", and apps that are "use at your own risk".

 

[kdarling]

I think the only real way to compare how phones sell, is if they're on the same network.

We'll see what happens when ATT gets some Android phones.

Well well. I just got my wish.

Seems that AT&T is getting the Moto Droid as well ...

FCC passes GSM Moto Droid.

 

[buffalo]

I'm really torn. I went ahead and switched to the iPhone three weeks ago from Verizon. Seeing the Droid, I am considering taking the iPhone back and return to Verizon. The iPhone is really nice, but it seems hard to justify the $65ish/month when I could be on my family's plan and only pay data with the Droid.

 

[bdavis89]

love how, as always, Motorola claims 270 minutes of "standby" time and 6.5 hours of "talk". I've never seen a phone get anywhere near those published ratings in real life (probably because I actually go into work in an office building where the cell reception sucks and battery life likewise sucks), and as we know they don't take non-talk (or Google Voice) usage into account either. If BGR isn't being uncharacteristically harsh on the battery life here, I think that real users will find the device near-unusable. Which, again, isn't overly surprising, given the design compromises they took to get the "feature list" where they wanted it.

so it gets more talk time than standby time? that makes sense...

 

[bloodycape]

id like to see motorola make there own little UI.
the htc sense UI looks pretty snazzy
android=dull in my opinion and no hardware can fix that.

Look at the Moto Cliq on T-Mobile, which has a custom Motoblur interface made by Moto. But, you also have to keep in mind the guys at XDA-Developers. The work they have been doing for years on the WM interface is kind of impressive for amateurs, and give it a little more time and we will be seeing some nicer interfaces coming out for Android also.

 

[afrowq]

I guarantee you I can type faster and more accurately on my LG Env with full keyboard, than one can type on a touchscreen face lacking keys (iphone). Plus I can type without looking at the keyboard. because it has tactile keys.


Oh, and I can talk easier on the PHONE part of it, because the network is so much better.

I think the droid looks awesome.

 

[bloodycape]

When was the last time anybody used "blackberry killer"?

I hear that word was thrown around when the Samsung Jack came out a while ago.

 

[Goona]

Except this is on Verizon, and is an open platform. This one has somewhat of a shot of making a dent. Verizon is the biggest carrier and has a gigantic service advantage over AT&T.

Yeah just like the Blackberry Storm on Verizon was supposed to kill the iphone. The average consumer doesn't give a damn about open platform as long as they are able to get the apps they want which the iphone is currently killing all the other platforms in.

 

[Goona]

Well well. I just got my wish.

Seems that AT&T is getting the Moto Droid as well ...

FCC passes GSM Moto Droid.

Hopefully this Android phone sells better than the Android phones on Rogers that were competing with the iphone did!

 

[kdarling]

Yeah just like the Blackberry Storm on Verizon was supposed to kill the iphone.

As far as Verizon is concerned, the Storm was a decent "iPhone killer", because it might have kept up to a million buyers from going elsewhere, perhaps from buying an iPhone. That's not chicken feed.

Ditto for the Storm 2 and the latest WM / Android phones.

The average consumer doesn't give a damn about open platform as long as they are able to get the apps they want which the iphone is currently killing all the other platforms in.

I think there's too much emphasis on the App Store. Most people use four or five main apps, if even that many. Include the best and most common types with a phone, and stores are much less meaningful.

 

[mrgreen4242]

I'd think it's more the software. As good as the hardware specs are, the fact that there aren't 100K apps (just a few dozen android at best) means you can't do what you want to with it.

Android is closing in on 10,000 apps... I agree that the App Store is THE best thing the iPhone has going for it, though.

What is confusing? The concept that because the pre did poorly that this will.

What definitive proof does anyone have that the pre's marketplace performance has any relevance to a Motorola handset running Android OS?

Perhaps I should have just joined in and say that the pre is **** so this must be? Does that help at all?

I don't get this idea that the Pre is selling poorly or is failing? The original iPhone took 5 months to sell 1,000,000 units. The Pre is right about there after it's first 5 months. They JUST launched their commercial app store which I think will help them keep moving along. It's not "dethroning" the iPhone but it's only been out a few month compared to a few years.

If/when they get a solid selection of 1st rate applications and get onto another carrier or two I think they have a real chance at taking the #2 spot. They've made a solid product with webOS.

If anybody really thinks buying a droid is a good idea remember this. Without the iPhone today Motorola would be introducing the Razor V5.

Apple innovates because Steve wants to.
The other guys innovate because they have to, to compete with Apple.

Ah yes, because Motorola nor anyone else every made a smartphone before the iPhone... Apple invented that market out of thin air!

Agree. More junk. just like the Pre. It'll fail to live up to the hype and die out and quickly be reduced by 60% in price. Another iPhone killer, killed.

I have this feeling that people knocking the Pre haven't tried it out. I have an iPod touch, have for a couple years now, so I am very familiar with OSX mobile. It's nice, don't get me wrong. Great iPod, and a great mini-gaming machine. But after spending some time with the Pre, I will say without doubt, that I think it's a better OS. It just does more and provides a nicer overall experience.

The App Store, again, is Apple biggest strength at this point, and maybe their ONLY advantage over the competition.

 

[Goona]

Android is closing in on 10,000 apps... I agree that the App Store is THE best thing the iPhone has going for it, though.


I don't get this idea that the Pre is selling poorly or is failing? The original iPhone took 5 months to sell 1,000,000 units. The Pre is right about there after it's first 5 months. They JUST launched their commercial app store which I think will help them keep moving along. It's not "dethroning" the iPhone but it's only been out a few month compared to a few years.

If/when they get a solid selection of 1st rate applications and get onto another carrier or two I think they have a real chance at taking the #2 spot. They've made a solid product with webOS.


Ah yes, because Motorola nor anyone else every made a smartphone before the iPhone... Apple invented that market out of thin air!

I have this feeling that people knocking the Pre haven't tried it out. I have an iPod touch, have for a couple years now, so I am very familiar with OSX mobile. It's nice, don't get me wrong. Great iPod, and a great mini-gaming machine. But after spending some time with the Pre, I will say without doubt, that I think it's a better OS. It just does more and provides a nicer overall experience.

The App Store, again, is Apple biggest strength at this point, and maybe their ONLY advantage over the competition.

You forgot the original iphones were 500 dollars, and it still sold a million units faster than the Pre and it was in only one country that sold a million units. How many countries has the Pre been released to and yet it still hasn't sold a million.