More Early iPhone and iPad Prototype Designs Surface in Samsung Trial Documents

Do you people even realize what you're saying?

Apple poured TONS OF CASH in R&D when developing the iPhone and iPad, at a time where the company was barely recovering from the brink of bankruptcy thanks to the iPod.
If the iPhone had flopped (could have suffered technical problems or other), Apple probably wouldn't be here!

Look at the other parts of their business, laptops sell OK but server were a flop, PRO desktop range isn't bringing a lot of cash (partly due to slow evolving CPU in that range that render model redesign useless), consumer desktop sales are slow too EVEN with the halo effect from iDevices.

So after BETTING the entire company on their success in a market they had no experience in, they are supposed to let others capitalize on their risk?

THIS is what patents were made for... To allow those who take risks to reap the benefits without being robbed by stronger (older) players.

Take the market capitalization of all those companies the years before the introduction of the iPhone to see it took courage, courage should be rewarded.

Yes, they bet the farm. But they ALREADY capitalized on the bet with the billlions in profit over the past few years. They have been rewarded already. That is a good thing and I'm happy for Apple as are the shareholders and employees. What does this have to do with patents?
 
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Yes, they bet the farm. But they ALREADY capitalized on the bet with the billlions in profit over the past few years. They have been rewarded already. That is a good thing and I'm happy for Apple as are the shareholders and employees. What does this have to do with patents?

They got billions but so did Samsung using copies of their patented designs ideas. The concept of patents is to protect your invention so you can safely release a revolutionary product and if people copy your invention YOU have the choice, to ask for royalties or to sue so the offending products get out of the market.

I look at it this way, the GS III is Samsung first design parting from those of Apple, it came almost 4.5 years after the release of the original iPhone.

4.5 years is the time it took Samsung to develop their own viable alternative and that is with Google and other partners developing the OS.

All this time Samsung has been making huge profits thanks to their copies, profits that allowed them to survive a revolution in the mobile device industry that left most of the old guard on the brink of destruction because they couldn't innovate (Nokia, RIM etc.).

Take also MSFT, as a huge OS company, that still can't offer a true alternative to the latest iOS devices.

What Apple is asking is for around 25$ per offending device sold (which amounts to around 2 billions $), so Samsung doesn't benefit too much (they already benefit from their copy strategy by being the only old mobile phone company still strong after the smartphone revolution).

If they get away scot-free the message will be clear, don't spend loads of cash in R&D wait for somebody else to come up with something and rip-it off.
 
Apple poured TONS OF CASH in R&D when developing the iPhone and iPad, at a time where the company was barely recovering from the brink of bankruptcy thanks to the iPod.

If the iPhone had flopped (could have suffered technical problems or other), Apple probably wouldn't be here!

Apple was bringing in about $3 to $4 billion per quarter back then. They seem to have been doing okay.

Apple's documents state that they only spent $500 million on all forms of Apple R&D during all of 2006, which is the year during which the major Purple 2 iPhone project work took place.

That was only 3.7% of their 2006 revenue.

So the iPhone was kind of like Apple TV. If it had flopped, they could've slapped the "hobby" tag on it and moved on.

You are correct of course, that after it turned out not to be a flop, Apple now depends a lot on mobile revenue.
 
Apple was bringing in about $3 to $4 billion per quarter back then. They seem to have been doing okay.
So 2006 was a good year but this was the height of the iPod years (in billions $ 7.676 for iPods Vs. 7.375 all macs).

Lets look at Apple yearly <revenue (profits)> history (in billions $) :
2011 : 108.249 (25.922) 23.9%
2010 : 65.225 (14.013) 21.48% START of the influence of iPad
2009 : 42.905 (8.235) 19.19%
2008 : 37.491 (6.119) 16.32%
2007 : 24.578 (3.495) 14.2% START of the influence of iPhone
2006 : 19.315 (1.989) 10.2%
2005 : 13.931 (1.328) 9.5%
2004 : 8.279 (0.266) 3.2%
2003 : 6.207 (0.057) 0.9%
2002 : 5.742 (0.042) 0.7% START of the influence of iPod
2001 : 5.363 (-0.025) -0.4%
2000 : 7.983 (0.786) 9.8%
1999 : 6.134 (0.601) 9.79%
1998 : 5.941 (0.309) 5.2%
1997 : 7.081 (-1.045) -14.7%

We can see that Apple grew with every innovation (revenues x15 since 1997) but the profitability only shoot up with the advent of the mobile devices, and profitability is what allows a business to thrive.

So Apple was doing OK selling iPods, so Samsung didn't hurt them that much?
Look at how quick things went from good to bad for companies like RIM or Nokia when their base product lost market shares...
If the iPhone had failed Apple would have managed to survive on iPod money for some time but the iPod days are numbered and so would have been Apple days if they hadn't come up with something new. Every cent that Apple can't extract from their inventions might be pretty important down the road.

Apple's documents state that they only spent $500 million on all forms of Apple R&D during all of 2006, which is the year during which the major Purple 2 iPhone project work took place.

That was only 3.7% of their 2006 revenue.[\QUOTE]
First of all from the report I see R&D expenses at 712 millions $ (nitpicking here).
You have to realise though that the iPhone wasn't whipped up in 2006 only, and that that accounts for all R&D (OS X, Macs, iPods etc.).
While the designs that ended up becoming the iPhone were finalized around those time the iPhone is the sum of years of development in I/O, GUI, OS etc.

For years Apple had been toying with tablets prototype (since 2002 at least), and those are the risk I was talking about...

For years you design prototypes, you decide to investigate further (look at the profits of Apple circa 2002 when they were investigating tablets), at some point they decide to go a pretty risky way (at first the OS was supposed to be based on the iPod linux-like OS) by deciding that iOS would be a distant cousin of OS X, that means development teams were spent working on something that might be a failure, you then green-light production and it become an even larger risk.

Ask all the companies that tried to sell Androids tablets this past few years, if you build billions of dollars worth of electronic devices and nobody buys them there goes your year's profits.

So the iPhone was kind of like Apple TV. If it had flopped, they could've slapped the "hobby" tag on it and moved on.

You are correct of course, that after it turned out not to be a flop, Apple now depends a lot on mobile revenue.
The thing is move on to what?
A lot of people have argued that Apple computer business has benefitted from the halo effect of the iPod and now the iDevices, if the iDevices had been flops Apple would probably be in the sad position of most of the computer industry...

PC sales are dwindling (compared to mobile devices), profits are harder to come by in computers (like for Apple before iPods), iPods are being replaced by mobile devices.

Without iPhone & iPad, Apple would be surviving on their iPod treasure chest awaiting a slow and painful death (RIM, Nokia etc.).
Unless of course they invented something great again (how that looking for RIM & Nokia again?) :) that some people feel its okay to steal ^^.


For people interested Apple's 2006 annual report. You can also find all the others reports there.
 
Looks like an iPod 3G, which is from 2003. What is clear is Apple's design language has been evolving from the same DNA since 2001. The same can't be true for the competition when has shown a dramatic shift in design since 2001 when the iPod was released.

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That's one beautiful device.

Well, the Galaxy Tab looks exactly like a certain digital photo frame that Samsung made in 2006, so how can it be a copy of the 2010 iPad if Samsung had already made that design before? If anything, Apple copied Samsung in this regard

You are right that it looks similar to the frame, but the design as a whole is what Apple is going for. The back is nothing similar and also a photo frame is not a competing device. I don't think Samsung went back to the photo frame as inspiration so much as they saw a winning combination in the iPad and used it for themselves. Such a dramatic shift of design in all their products, accessories, UI, packaging is too much.

It's a shame they rode on the coattails of Apple to become popular and establish their Galaxy line because the GSIII is growing on me. However, I won't buy it out of principle.
 
You are right that it looks similar to the frame, but the design as a whole is what Apple is going for. The back is nothing similar ...

Not the iPad, but the Forbes reporter blog from the trial today noted this when Apple brought in their expert to say that Samsung copied the iPhone:

It’s (the Apple expert's) opinion that the design of the Galaxy S 4G infringes a pair of Apple design patents. The Galaxy S 4G has a flat rectangular front, is transparent, is black, has a display centered on the face of the phone, and a lozenge-shaped speaker slot.

(Apple lawyer asks) what about the bump sticking out of the back of the phone? (Doesn't matter) “Because it is the back of the phone and this patent is specifically for the face of the phone,” (the expert) says. - Forbes blog

...and also a photo frame is not a competing device.

Actually it could be. Apple's design patent is NOT for anything specific like the iPad or even a computer. The description only states that it's for "an electronic device".

That could be a tablet, a phone, a TV, a digital picture frame, or you name it.
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except that everyone was playing around with mobile devices in the last decade. samsung, LG and others. it's not like Apple was the only one doing it.

apple had a huge advantage with the OS X code base to use as the OS. everyone else was using BREW from qualcomm which was an excuse to sell their chips.


So 2006 was a good year but this was the height of the iPod years (in billions $ 7.676 for iPods Vs. 7.375 all macs).

Lets look at Apple yearly <revenue (profits)> history (in billions $) :
2011 : 108.249 (25.922) 23.9%
2010 : 65.225 (14.013) 21.48% START of the influence of iPad
2009 : 42.905 (8.235) 19.19%
2008 : 37.491 (6.119) 16.32%
2007 : 24.578 (3.495) 14.2% START of the influence of iPhone
2006 : 19.315 (1.989) 10.2%
2005 : 13.931 (1.328) 9.5%
2004 : 8.279 (0.266) 3.2%
2003 : 6.207 (0.057) 0.9%
2002 : 5.742 (0.042) 0.7% START of the influence of iPod
2001 : 5.363 (-0.025) -0.4%
2000 : 7.983 (0.786) 9.8%
1999 : 6.134 (0.601) 9.79%
1998 : 5.941 (0.309) 5.2%
1997 : 7.081 (-1.045) -14.7%

We can see that Apple grew with every innovation (revenues x15 since 1997) but the profitability only shoot up with the advent of the mobile devices, and profitability is what allows a business to thrive.

So Apple was doing OK selling iPods, so Samsung didn't hurt them that much?
Look at how quick things went from good to bad for companies like RIM or Nokia when their base product lost market shares...
If the iPhone had failed Apple would have managed to survive on iPod money for some time but the iPod days are numbered and so would have been Apple days if they hadn't come up with something new. Every cent that Apple can't extract from their inventions might be pretty important down the road.

Apple's documents state that they only spent $500 million on all forms of Apple R&D during all of 2006, which is the year during which the major Purple 2 iPhone project work took place.

That was only 3.7% of their 2006 revenue.[\QUOTE]
First of all from the report I see R&D expenses at 712 millions $ (nitpicking here).
You have to realise though that the iPhone wasn't whipped up in 2006 only, and that that accounts for all R&D (OS X, Macs, iPods etc.).
While the designs that ended up becoming the iPhone were finalized around those time the iPhone is the sum of years of development in I/O, GUI, OS etc.

For years Apple had been toying with tablets prototype (since 2002 at least), and those are the risk I was talking about...

For years you design prototypes, you decide to investigate further (look at the profits of Apple circa 2002 when they were investigating tablets), at some point they decide to go a pretty risky way (at first the OS was supposed to be based on the iPod linux-like OS) by deciding that iOS would be a distant cousin of OS X, that means development teams were spent working on something that might be a failure, you then green-light production and it become an even larger risk.

Ask all the companies that tried to sell Androids tablets this past few years, if you build billions of dollars worth of electronic devices and nobody buys them there goes your year's profits.


The thing is move on to what?
A lot of people have argued that Apple computer business has benefitted from the halo effect of the iPod and now the iDevices, if the iDevices had been flops Apple would probably be in the sad position of most of the computer industry...

PC sales are dwindling (compared to mobile devices), profits are harder to come by in computers (like for Apple before iPods), iPods are being replaced by mobile devices.

Without iPhone & iPad, Apple would be surviving on their iPod treasure chest awaiting a slow and painful death (RIM, Nokia etc.).
Unless of course they invented something great again (how that looking for RIM & Nokia again?) :) that some people feel its okay to steal ^^.


For people interested Apple's 2006 annual report. You can also find all the others reports there.
 
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