How would it? Apple still makes the iPods... So all it could do is help. I don't really understand it all, but at least there is one less competition to the iPod. Plus it will make iTunes used more. And I could see why some people would buy an HP iPod. I mean I know people who think iPods are still mac only.. If it was an HP iPod. none of that confusion.
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How would it? Apple still makes the iPods... So all it could do is help. I don't really understand it all, but at least there is one less competition to the iPod. Plus it will make iTunes used more. And I could see why some people would buy an HP iPod. I mean I know people who think iPods are still mac only.. If it was an HP iPod. none of that confusion.
Okay... I have a question...
Does this product count as a HP or Apple product...
Cause that means Apple's iPod could lose market share... to its HP clone...
Does this product count as a HP or Apple product...
Cause that means Apple's iPod could lose market share... to its HP clone...
Originally posted by SiliconAddict
Everyone wave hi to the 5 Microsoft Media BU employees that happened to stop by
*WAVES*
Hahahahahahah! Its the usual! Someone always has to vote negative, even when the G5's came out, there were negative ratings. I have a feeling that Gates and Michael Dell are lurking around!
Good points. There are many people who will never buy an Apple branded product for a myriad of reasons, whether they be the Apple myths, doubts on compatibility or whatever. This is a great move for Apple. Anything that makes them more mainstream is good for them.
A WIN/WIN? Maybe a WIN/WINdows situation!
I believe this is considered representative of "HP blue"
http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/ho/WF02a/18972-236251-236268.html
Originally posted by Dahl
Keep going, Apple.
Praise the lord, er whatever. I can not get over how big a coup this is for Apple. Other companies like napster and dell and real will make their silly knockoffs. None are compatable with Apple or each other, and therefore none can really gang up on ITMS's 70 F------- % marketshare! (YEAH BABY!!) Divided they fall! Steve: Finish them! - - Fatality. Love it.
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Originally posted by MrMacman
Okay... I have a question...
Does this product count as a HP or Apple product...
Cause that means Apple's iPod could lose market share... to its HP clone...
Good question. They could just call it "iPod HP", in which case it's just another iPod, both in design and name.
(EDIT: Re-reading, I see that at least according to ZDNet it will not have the iPod name. Too bad.)
And Ralf's car.
Another F1 fan. Praise the lord. Seen the new Williams yet? Holy crap it's different from anything seen before.
Back to the topic on hand: I really feel this is a good move. It makes many more people aware of Apple (the logo at startup) and this can only be good.
didnt i hear somewhere that apple will also be releasing a Pepsi branded ipod to go alonmg with their 100 million son give away? that should also help to increase ipod sales...also do you think theyll market both the ipod and ipod mini to HP or Pepsi???
Might not be a bad idea. HP/Compaq and Apple really appeal to different segments of the market. Apple is all about making a computer that is as much a work of art as it is a computer. This is overkill for the average computer buyer and drives up the price. A mac version of the Pavillion 300 series with a PowerPC 7457 or 750VX is all the average buyer needs. Have Apple supply the MicroATX motherboard and have HP assemble it like they would one of their windows PCs. Having HP as a marketing partner for OS X and OSX server would be great for Apple.
maybe it's just apple's software that HP is using for the hPod and it is engineered with the iPod in mind.
HP branded/built with Apple's iPod R&D/engineering for the head start help and eventual lower end market domination.
Could HP manufacture it cheaper than Apple? Considering it has saved the money on actually developing one from scratch. I envision Apple giving HP "How To Build an iPod" and then HP doing it for cheaper.
Then the profits are shared and everyone is happy.
a possibility?
HP branded/built with Apple's iPod R&D/engineering for the head start help and eventual lower end market domination.
Could HP manufacture it cheaper than Apple? Considering it has saved the money on actually developing one from scratch. I envision Apple giving HP "How To Build an iPod" and then HP doing it for cheaper.
Then the profits are shared and everyone is happy.
a possibility?
Exactly. Rather than additional sales (which are great), this the real benefit is that one of Microsoft's biggest customers now will demand that iTMS works well and seemlessly on the Win OS.
Don't forget that HP sends MS $1-$2 billion dollars a year in royalties. So while MS is not the biggest fan of doing what it's told, they also don't want to piss off their customers (of whom Apple is NOT really one).
Also, since HP has been writing so many Printer drivers over the years, they must have a warehouse full of programmers who know about the inner, undocumented, workings of the various Win OSs.
This is a HUGE coupe for ensuring that Apple (and iTMS) remains a key player on Windows, and a HUGE step towards making Apple THE dominant cross-platform digital music player of the future. Once iTMS hits that critical mass, it will be hard for other's to get the industry's leadership position back from Apple.
Apple sells the iPod to shops so both Apple and the shops can make a profit on the ipod. It will be no different with HP, but because HP will be buying a lot of iPods, they will get a bigger discount. It is then upto HP, how much profit they want to sell the iPods for.
I had a funny feeling that something was going on between HP and Apple. All the Mac specific magazines over here (UK) have had massive colour brochures advertising Mac compatible HP products. I distinctly remember one of these saying
"Apple and HP have develeoped a long future together, with more exciting products available in the future..." or something along those lines.
This months issue of iCreate carries a HP advert on almost every page.
Its good news as far as I can see, can only be beneficial to Apple in the long run
"Apple and HP have develeoped a long future together, with more exciting products available in the future..." or something along those lines.
This months issue of iCreate carries a HP advert on almost every page.
Its good news as far as I can see, can only be beneficial to Apple in the long run
HP resale price
as with all offical resellers of apple products i doubt HP will have much if any control over the price of their braned iPods.
as with all offical resellers of apple products i doubt HP will have much if any control over the price of their braned iPods.
HP Advertisement
Hello All,
Just curious, but have any of you seen the Advertisement for the CP Compaq Business Notebook in Business Week Magazine (1/12/04)? I have seen the ad in Time as well, several months ago. It has a man sitting with his HP notebook computer, with a group of Cello's behind him, and music bars floating around.
The interesting thing to note is that at the man's foot is a brown paper lunch bag....and next to it is a red Apple...with a bite out of it, of course
Coincidence? I think not...
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iBook G4 800 640MB RAM... and Warcraft 3 running like it has never run before. Long live Lordaeron.
Hello All,
Just curious, but have any of you seen the Advertisement for the CP Compaq Business Notebook in Business Week Magazine (1/12/04)? I have seen the ad in Time as well, several months ago. It has a man sitting with his HP notebook computer, with a group of Cello's behind him, and music bars floating around.
The interesting thing to note is that at the man's foot is a brown paper lunch bag....and next to it is a red Apple...with a bite out of it, of course
Coincidence? I think not...
_________________________________________
iBook G4 800 640MB RAM... and Warcraft 3 running like it has never run before. Long live Lordaeron.
love those Microsoft Dell cronies
The expected knee-jerk reaction from Redmond and Austin, courtesy today's New York Times.
Microsoft has said that it plans to offer its own MSN music store later this year. Thursday the company appeared unprepared for the Apple-Hewlett agreement, which clearly stung Microsoft executives. They said the agreement would limit choice and harm consumers.
"Windows is about choice, you can mix and match all of this stuff," said David Fester, general manager of Microsoft's Windows digital media division. "We believe you should have the same choice when it comes to music services."
He said that Hewlett would end up confusing its customers because the company has supported several other Microsoft media products that are not compatible with the iPod, including its Windows Media Center software, which Microsoft sees as the crucial digital hub in the home.
Let's see if I understand ... We, Microsoft are really concerned about you, the consumer. We want you to have choice. That's why we insist you should only use WMC for your music. Wait, what were we saying about choice?
And from Dell:
Dell, the leading seller of Windows-based computers, also suggested that Hewlett was making a mistake. "We expect competition and it's good for customers,'' a Dell spokesman said. "Over time, however, customers will want industry standard choices.''
I guess they weren't listening when Jobs said that iTunes was 70% of the download market. Message to Dell: Apple IS the industry standard. You're hitching yourself to the wrong wagon.
I think the HP-Apple announcement is no surprise. HP has never been averse to partnering with Apple, e.g. printer promotions. I think HP and Apple respect each other as companies with long histories of innovation. HP is threatened by the copy-ideas-cut-corners-skimp-on-research maniac that is Dell, and doesn't like that other copy-catter up in Redmond calling the shots either. Being consumer oriented, the deal shouldn't annoy HP's main competitor and Apple's main strategic partner, IBM, either, as this kind of stuff is more about consumer image and market presence for HP than about profit. As for Apple, Apple figures it's easier to work with HP for shared ground in the PC-using market than to fight all the PC makers at once. HP is the kind of PC maker Apple could live with as a dominant force; Dell with its far cheaper cost structure presents the real long-term problem.
The expected knee-jerk reaction from Redmond and Austin, courtesy today's New York Times.
Microsoft has said that it plans to offer its own MSN music store later this year. Thursday the company appeared unprepared for the Apple-Hewlett agreement, which clearly stung Microsoft executives. They said the agreement would limit choice and harm consumers.
"Windows is about choice, you can mix and match all of this stuff," said David Fester, general manager of Microsoft's Windows digital media division. "We believe you should have the same choice when it comes to music services."
He said that Hewlett would end up confusing its customers because the company has supported several other Microsoft media products that are not compatible with the iPod, including its Windows Media Center software, which Microsoft sees as the crucial digital hub in the home.
Let's see if I understand ... We, Microsoft are really concerned about you, the consumer. We want you to have choice. That's why we insist you should only use WMC for your music. Wait, what were we saying about choice?
And from Dell:
Dell, the leading seller of Windows-based computers, also suggested that Hewlett was making a mistake. "We expect competition and it's good for customers,'' a Dell spokesman said. "Over time, however, customers will want industry standard choices.''
I guess they weren't listening when Jobs said that iTunes was 70% of the download market. Message to Dell: Apple IS the industry standard. You're hitching yourself to the wrong wagon.
I think the HP-Apple announcement is no surprise. HP has never been averse to partnering with Apple, e.g. printer promotions. I think HP and Apple respect each other as companies with long histories of innovation. HP is threatened by the copy-ideas-cut-corners-skimp-on-research maniac that is Dell, and doesn't like that other copy-catter up in Redmond calling the shots either. Being consumer oriented, the deal shouldn't annoy HP's main competitor and Apple's main strategic partner, IBM, either, as this kind of stuff is more about consumer image and market presence for HP than about profit. As for Apple, Apple figures it's easier to work with HP for shared ground in the PC-using market than to fight all the PC makers at once. HP is the kind of PC maker Apple could live with as a dominant force; Dell with its far cheaper cost structure presents the real long-term problem.
Re: See the HP pod in Fiorina's hand !
Hmm not bad, not bad.
and Fiorina is definitely a cool lady
Hmm not bad, not bad.
and Fiorina is definitely a cool lady
Exactly, just like many here only want to buy things with the Apple name on it....>
I'm sure there are lots of PC owners that would never even think of buying something that says Apple on it. This gives Apple some exposure to it's products and software (through iTunes) to people they wouldn't normally reach. Great move.
I'm sure there are lots of PC owners that would never even think of buying something that says Apple on it. This gives Apple some exposure to it's products and software (through iTunes) to people they wouldn't normally reach. Great move.
I think that it's a smart move for both HP and Apple. Apple won't have new competition (HP) since they are making the product for HP.
Most HP home users seem to be they type of people who love package deals. They go to the Costco or SAMS and buy the "Media Center" packaged PC, it comes with the Scanner, the DVD Burner, printer, and iPod. The PC already has iTunes for Windows installed and configured.
This makes it totally easy to use, and convenient for consumers. I think it's a good marketing deal, and everyone will benefit.
Most HP home users seem to be they type of people who love package deals. They go to the Costco or SAMS and buy the "Media Center" packaged PC, it comes with the Scanner, the DVD Burner, printer, and iPod. The PC already has iTunes for Windows installed and configured.
This makes it totally easy to use, and convenient for consumers. I think it's a good marketing deal, and everyone will benefit.