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If it is more compelling than the Motorola KRZR, I'm buying it out of contract. Price is not a factor. On a side note, I'm surprise no one has made a good looking phone that snap out to talk similar to the one used in the Matrix series. As I recalled the Matrix movie series use a phone that make a quick snap sound extending the phone a bit down. It is too masculine i think, than what Apple is use to.
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If it is more compelling than the Motorola KRZR, I'm buying it out of contract. Price is not a factor. On a side note, I'm surprise no one has made a good looking phone that snap out to talk similar to the one used in the Matrix series. As I recalled the Matrix movie series use a phone that make a quick snap sound extending the phone a bit down. It is too masculine i think, than what Apple is use to.
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Probably hard to do in a way that will not easily break and/or wear out. It's only recently that flip phones have become solid enough that phone techs don't swear at them. You can imagine how difficult it is to make something that actually has springs and stuff in it reliable.
My understanding was that that phone (the 71x0 series, IIRC) was only sold with the slider feature in one market, everywhere else it was sliderless.
Me, I'd be happy if Nokia released a quad-band GSM + bluetooth, etc version of the 21x0 series (2110, 2190), but then I'm wierd.
Wow, that chart is off and old. Rev B which comes out in 2008 will allow for up to 74mbps. Cingular may be releasing 7.2mbps down, but their upload is still much slower than Sprint Rev A, over 4 times slower.
Upload speeds are extremely important, and can't be ignored.
Sprint 1.8mbps versus cingular 384kbps. 1.8mbps seems much higher than 384kbps.
wow dude, I can't with you. You win. You're all knowing and omnipotent. You rule the universe lol. I'm done.
FWIW HSUPA is coming out over the next year and deals with the upload rates. HSOPA (UMTS's first post-3G non-CDMA air interface) will come out in 2007/2008, and will have 100Mbps down/50Mbps up.
In practicality, the two standards are neck and neck as far as speed and latency issues go. The real issue has been Cingular's slow roll out (and T-Mobile's no roll out), but that should be solved by the AWS spectrum coming online next year. T-Mobile has enough spectrum to blanket the country and they're rolling out UMTS from March. It's going to be good to see some real competition now that the spectrum issues that were W-CDMA's Achile's Heel are dealt with.
As I'd never even consider a mobile phone I can't choose my own hardware on, at my convenience, unless there really were no other options, I'm glad too as it means I finally have a 3G option.
So if it's not called the "iphone" what do you think
apple will call it? I think the smartphone version (if it ever comes about) should be called the photon (phone+newton). ok it's official: i'm bored. FWIW I think they'll probably use "iphone" just b/c of the instant name recognition...
apple will call it? I think the smartphone version (if it ever comes about) should be called the photon (phone+newton). ok it's official: i'm bored. FWIW I think they'll probably use "iphone" just b/c of the instant name recognition...
iPod Mobile = iPod + Mobile Phone capable
iPod Video = iPod + Video capable
iPod Photo = iPod + Photo capable
iPod Mini = iPod + Mini Form Factor
iPod Nano = iPod + Really Mini Form Factor
Probably not iPod Zune Killer, that is redundant.
So ThinkSecret is reliable?
I think that there's an unintended double-negative here....
I think that there's an unintended double-negative here....
It’s unclear to me why so many of you put such emphasis on the source of any given rumor. Why do you feel that source can be such a powerful predictor of accuracy?
Who cares what website something initially appears at? If I know someone who knows someone who knows something and that all is right and I tell it to ThinkSecret (TS) then TS will get it right. I’m in no way impacted by whether someone else got it wrong in the past and passed it one to TS.
Plus how many rumors does TS release a year, which is to say what is the N that you’re considering? Is it like 1 per week or something like that? And of those how many do they get write and how many do they get wrong?
The fact of the matter is, it does matter. Your essentially arguing the same argument as saying CNN is as reliable as The National Enquirer or the World News. ThinkSecret is unreliable and as a result, there rumors cannot be trusted. How many incorrect rumors they put out weekly is beside the point. Also, I think you meant "right" and not "write." Errors like that really make a post seem utterly insignificant.
HSUPA does deal with uplink, but Cingular hasn't started upgrading to that yet, and has not given any signs that they plan to grade to it within the next year.
The standard wars
If I had a nickel for every exchange on the advantages, limitations, geography of use, and otherwise personal preference for, every 2G and 3G standard for mobile phones, I could work towards destroying all traces of any of them. Atomize towers, have book-burning sessions in major cities, block Wikipedia from having pages about them.
My ultimate goal would be to abolish, or at least diminish, further discussions of these standards. When will any of you realize that someone, in fact some people, exactly like you have already said very similar things, perhaps even on the same day at the same time in another place.
How about searching for the things you say before saying them, so as not to add the cacophony of repetitious drivel. Isn’t there a law by Shannon, or someone like him, and if there isn’t there should be, which says that if you say something over and over that’s already been said thousands of times, what you say on that N+100001th time carries very little information. (If any of you would like to show me examples of people that have said what I’ve said, please quote. I always liked the idea of not practicing the things I preach).
Nonetheless, If you’d like to join the club and have an inner monologue with anyone who cares to read it on how the upcoming Mac Phone (not iPhone) will impact on your life, given where you live, and how much money you make, and how many texts you send, and whether you’ll look wonderful doing video chatting, and how long your thumbs are, please, by all means do so.
There is nothing more captivating for me than knowing all of your lives with respect to your phones. And to have access to the philosophies you create for yourselves to accompany your purchasing decisions is PRICELESS.
If I had a nickel for every exchange on the advantages, limitations, geography of use, and otherwise personal preference for, every 2G and 3G standard for mobile phones, I could work towards destroying all traces of any of them. Atomize towers, have book-burning sessions in major cities, block Wikipedia from having pages about them.
My ultimate goal would be to abolish, or at least diminish, further discussions of these standards. When will any of you realize that someone, in fact some people, exactly like you have already said very similar things, perhaps even on the same day at the same time in another place.
How about searching for the things you say before saying them, so as not to add the cacophony of repetitious drivel. Isn’t there a law by Shannon, or someone like him, and if there isn’t there should be, which says that if you say something over and over that’s already been said thousands of times, what you say on that N+100001th time carries very little information. (If any of you would like to show me examples of people that have said what I’ve said, please quote. I always liked the idea of not practicing the things I preach).
Nonetheless, If you’d like to join the club and have an inner monologue with anyone who cares to read it on how the upcoming Mac Phone (not iPhone) will impact on your life, given where you live, and how much money you make, and how many texts you send, and whether you’ll look wonderful doing video chatting, and how long your thumbs are, please, by all means do so.
There is nothing more captivating for me than knowing all of your lives with respect to your phones. And to have access to the philosophies you create for yourselves to accompany your purchasing decisions is PRICELESS.
Who cares?
Uploads, downloads, networks, who is reliable, who isn't. It's all conjecture at best. I'm getting the sense there are a lot of techie ego's battling for attention here. Just whip out your microprocessors and see which one is bigger already
. There's a war in Iraq and our civil liberties have slowly been stripped from us due to this recent administration, 2 out of 3 high school students are dropping out, health care is a mess, terrorism has worsened from our (lack of) foreign policy, social security is almost non-existent, education is a luxury most Americans can't afford, the dollar is weaker than ever, the ice caps are melting and our global climate is a disaster, and corporate America is taking over the planet with greed and corruption. THOSE are important topics. Who gives a rats behind what new tech toy Apple is releasing to make the over bloated pockets of corporate executives richer at a new toy the general population will throw away in a year only to pollute more landfills. Think Perspective.
Uploads, downloads, networks, who is reliable, who isn't. It's all conjecture at best. I'm getting the sense there are a lot of techie ego's battling for attention here. Just whip out your microprocessors and see which one is bigger already
. There's a war in Iraq and our civil liberties have slowly been stripped from us due to this recent administration, 2 out of 3 high school students are dropping out, health care is a mess, terrorism has worsened from our (lack of) foreign policy, social security is almost non-existent, education is a luxury most Americans can't afford, the dollar is weaker than ever, the ice caps are melting and our global climate is a disaster, and corporate America is taking over the planet with greed and corruption. THOSE are important topics. Who gives a rats behind what new tech toy Apple is releasing to make the over bloated pockets of corporate executives richer at a new toy the general population will throw away in a year only to pollute more landfills. Think Perspective.
I couldn't have either, I also wouldn't have had the enegry to type all that! I'm tired just reading it
Thanks
Also, I think you meant their and not there, which by your own logic, not mine, makes your comment seem utterly insignificant.
That seems rather silly to me. The comments of everyone on MR are littered with errors, which may or may not make them insignificant in terms of the points they make. Although I do agree with the idea that one should make a reasonable attempt to be error-free. In any case, I appreciate your correction.
My impression of the National Enquirer is that they deal in fabrication and that everyone knows as much. I dont know anything about TS, but my guess would be that as much could not be assumed in their case, which makes it an unfair comparison.
Regardless, that theyre often wrong does not make them always wrong. If they can be assumed to always be wrong, why is it even worth discussing them?
Also, I think you meant their and not there, which by your own logic, not mine, makes your comment seem utterly insignificant.
That seems rather silly to me. The comments of everyone on MR are littered with errors, which may or may not make them insignificant in terms of the points they make. Although I do agree with the idea that one should make a reasonable attempt to be error-free. In any case, I appreciate your correction.
My impression of the National Enquirer is that they deal in fabrication and that everyone knows as much. I dont know anything about TS, but my guess would be that as much could not be assumed in their case, which makes it an unfair comparison.
Regardless, that theyre often wrong does not make them always wrong. If they can be assumed to always be wrong, why is it even worth discussing them?
Only a person who knows almost nothing about basic statistics and signal detection theory, both of which I know little about, would suggest that the number of data points (the frequency with which TS gets it right or wrong) does NOT matter.
The fact of the matter is it matters.
If you took a coin from your pocket and flipped it two times would you be as certain of your estimate of the probability of getting tails on the next flip as compared to an estimate based 10,000 flips?
I wouldnt.
what are u? A MS fan-boy or something?..
UI is everything in electronics and I believe Apple will kick some a** if they can manage to do what they did in iPod with the brand new iPhone..
Brilliant! This is why I can't be bothered to read these phone threads, I just scan through and read all about the acronyms and my head hurts! I came to Apple to keep things simple.
Exactly, CDMA is all but dead. In Europe (the biggest market), it's all about GSM, nothing else. Even in Brazil one of the major operators there decided to change to GSM, given its overwhelming domination in the global market. It was really ironic, as their ad campaigns ALWAYS praised CDMA as the best technology with a wide adoption worldwide (which is bogus)...after a few months, they changed everything for strategic reasons...
As for the iPhone, no subsidization, NO phone for me...it's THAT simple in Europe...NO ONE buys a phone without a contract...it's just plain stupid to pay 500 bucks if you can get the same thing for 100 and a 10 euro monthly plan for 12 months.
The U.S. mobile market is one of the most anachronistic of the world, with dead technologies and unreliable plans. If you guys wanna see REAL technology and business models, head to Europe, Japan or even South America...not the US.