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I like all these iPhone rumors. In fact, I like all the rumors. It's one of the big reasons why I come to MacRumors. Actually, I think it's the only reason. It's neat to read up about all the speculation on everything. I like hearing about everyone ideas on how something should be made, run, sold... I'm just thinking about all the rumors that have come and gone in the past few years I've been reading the posts (and just recently joined) and it's all just pretty cool. Call me a geek, I guess, but even if nothing comes out of the iPhone, or if it completely bombs, I dont care. I like just imagining.

And it's also fun to watch people try to one-up each other with "actually, youre wrong." "no, you're wrong" "you clearly have no idea what you're talking about" "my dad can beat up your dad"

****.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Dad_Can_Beat_Up_Your_Dad

FFS.
 
Verizon headaches

If it is more compelling than the Motorola KRZR, I'm buying it out of contract. Price is not a factor. On a side note, I'm surprise no one has made a good looking phone that snap out to talk similar to the one used in the Matrix series. As I recalled the Matrix movie series use a phone that make a quick snap sound extending the phone a bit down. It is too masculine i think, than what Apple is use to.

Cinch
 
If it is more compelling than the Motorola KRZR, I'm buying it out of contract. Price is not a factor. On a side note, I'm surprise no one has made a good looking phone that snap out to talk similar to the one used in the Matrix series. As I recalled the Matrix movie series use a phone that make a quick snap sound extending the phone a bit down. It is too masculine i think, than what Apple is use to.

Cinch

Probably hard to do in a way that will not easily break and/or wear out. It's only recently that flip phones have become solid enough that phone techs don't swear at them. You can imagine how difficult it is to make something that actually has springs and stuff in it reliable.

My understanding was that that phone (the 71x0 series, IIRC) was only sold with the slider feature in one market, everywhere else it was sliderless.

Me, I'd be happy if Nokia released a quad-band GSM + bluetooth, etc version of the 21x0 series (2110, 2190), but then I'm wierd.
 
Those networks aren't even out yet, so how do you know they will be? Those specs are pre-release, and as anyone knows companies will always give "best case scenario" specs as opposed to "real world".

Verizon press release:
12/14/06
A little more on the rumor yesterday that Verizon Wireless was planning to officially launch EVDO Revision A upgrades in ten markets this Friday: "We’ve had a number of communities lit up with Rev. A for a few months, and expect to introduce a first PC card in the coming weeks," says a Verizon Wireless Spokesman to GigaOM's Katie Fehrenbacher. "We won’t be announcing a launch of Rev. A until we hit a significant number of markets up and running, though." It doesn't sound like Friday as a launch date sounds too promising, but stay tuned.

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Wireless Technologies
Edge CDMA2000/1 x EV-DO WCDMA/UMTS
Standard 2.5G 3G 3G
Usage WWAN WWAN WWAN
Throughput Max 384Kbps Max 2.4 Mbps Max 2Mbps
(typical 300-600Kbps) (Up to 10Mbps with
HSDPA technology)
Range Typical 1-5 miles Typical 1-5 miles Typical 1-5 miles
Frequency 1900MHz 400, 800, 900, 1700, 1800, 1900, 2100MHz
1800, 1900, 2100MHz

Again, UP TO 10MBPS WITH HSDPA TECHNOLOGY. Verizon and Sprint do not have HSDPA.


In a press release, Nortel said it and Qualcomm have successfully achieved 7.2 megabits per second (Mbps) mobile data calls based on the Universal Mobile Telephone System - High Speed Downlink Packet Access (UMTS-HSDPA) standard. The companies plan to demonstrate high-resolution video streaming enabled by the turbo-speed throughput during CTIA Wireless 2006 in Las Vegas , April 5-7 (already happened).

The news is a big help for network operators like Cingular (News - Alert) Wireless, which has placed bets on Qualcomm’s HSDPA solutions to provide the technology roadmap for the video and multimedia offerings of tomorrow.

Moreover, the actual specs for RVDO Rev A show so far Sprint leads by just a margin in time to market it's 10-city launch of its EVDO Rev A network yesterday. Customers in major cities like San Francisco, New York City and Los Angeles will be able to get average upload speeds of 300-400 kbps (compared with 50-70 kbps of current EV-DO networks) and an average download speed of 450–800 kbps.

Cingular HSDPA at 7.2 MBPS compared to 2, maybe 3, MBPS (IF all conditions are met to establish a perfect connection) seems a big difference to me...

Look, this is ridiculous, both technologies are keeping up with the other. Cingular, Sprint, Verizon, WHO CARES. The point is, all three companies are leading the market. The difference is the markets they cover. Cingular is international and DOES WORK IN JAPAN. You can rent phones in Japan and use your Cingular SIM card.

http://forums.cingular.com/cng/board/message?board.id=international&message.id=2151

http://forums.cingular.com/cng/board/message?board.id=international&message.id=1185

You can not use Verizon or Sprint in anywhere but North America. As I travel internationally, it is a HUGE difference for me. Over 1 Billion people use GSM. Verizon and Sprint are NOT international. That's a big difference. Until they are, who cares what their DL speeds are? Americans? Pffft.


Wow, that chart is off and old. Rev B which comes out in 2008 will allow for up to 74mbps. Cingular may be releasing 7.2mbps down, but their upload is still much slower than Sprint Rev A, over 4 times slower.

Upload speeds are extremely important, and can't be ignored.

Sprint 1.8mbps versus cingular 384kbps. 1.8mbps seems much higher than 384kbps.
 
Wow, that chart is off and old. Rev B which comes out in 2008 will allow for up to 74mbps. Cingular may be releasing 7.2mbps down, but their upload is still much slower than Sprint Rev A, over 4 times slower.

Upload speeds are extremely important, and can't be ignored.

Sprint 1.8mbps versus cingular 384kbps. 1.8mbps seems much higher than 384kbps.

wow dude, I can't with you. You win. You're all knowing and omnipotent. You rule the universe lol. I'm done.
 
Wow, that chart is off and old. Rev B which comes out in 2008 will allow for up to 74mbps. Cingular may be releasing 7.2mbps down, but their upload is still much slower than Sprint Rev A, over 4 times slower.

FWIW HSUPA is coming out over the next year and deals with the upload rates. HSOPA (UMTS's first post-3G non-CDMA air interface) will come out in 2007/2008, and will have 100Mbps down/50Mbps up.

In practicality, the two standards are neck and neck as far as speed and latency issues go. The real issue has been Cingular's slow roll out (and T-Mobile's no roll out), but that should be solved by the AWS spectrum coming online next year. T-Mobile has enough spectrum to blanket the country and they're rolling out UMTS from March. It's going to be good to see some real competition now that the spectrum issues that were W-CDMA's Achile's Heel are dealt with.

As I'd never even consider a mobile phone I can't choose my own hardware on, at my convenience, unless there really were no other options, I'm glad too as it means I finally have a 3G option.
 
So if it's not called the "iphone" what do you think

apple will call it? I think the smartphone version (if it ever comes about) should be called the photon (phone+newton). ok it's official: i'm bored. FWIW I think they'll probably use "iphone" just b/c of the instant name recognition...
 
apple will call it? I think the smartphone version (if it ever comes about) should be called the photon (phone+newton). ok it's official: i'm bored. FWIW I think they'll probably use "iphone" just b/c of the instant name recognition...

iPod Mobile = iPod + Mobile Phone capable

iPod Video = iPod + Video capable

iPod Photo = iPod + Photo capable

iPod Mini = iPod + Mini Form Factor

iPod Nano = iPod + Really Mini Form Factor

Probably not iPod Zune Killer, that is redundant.
 
This from ThinkSecret, so it must be true - NOT!

It’s unclear to me why so many of you put such emphasis on the source of any given rumor. Why do you feel that source can be such a powerful predictor of accuracy?

Who cares what website something initially appears at? If I know someone who knows someone who knows something and that all is right and I tell it to ThinkSecret (TS) then TS will get it right. I’m in no way impacted by whether someone else got it wrong in the past and passed it one to TS.

Plus how many rumors does TS release a year, which is to say what is the N that you’re considering? Is it like 1 per week or something like that? And of those how many do they get write and how many do they get wrong?
 
It’s unclear to me why so many of you put such emphasis on the source of any given rumor. Why do you feel that source can be such a powerful predictor of accuracy?

Who cares what website something initially appears at? If I know someone who knows someone who knows something and that all is right and I tell it to ThinkSecret (TS) then TS will get it right. I’m in no way impacted by whether someone else got it wrong in the past and passed it one to TS.

Plus how many rumors does TS release a year, which is to say what is the N that you’re considering? Is it like 1 per week or something like that? And of those how many do they get write and how many do they get wrong?

The fact of the matter is, it does matter. Your essentially arguing the same argument as saying CNN is as reliable as The National Enquirer or the World News. ThinkSecret is unreliable and as a result, there rumors cannot be trusted. How many incorrect rumors they put out weekly is beside the point. Also, I think you meant "right" and not "write." Errors like that really make a post seem utterly insignificant.
 
FWIW HSUPA is coming out over the next year and deals with the upload rates. HSOPA (UMTS's first post-3G non-CDMA air interface) will come out in 2007/2008, and will have 100Mbps down/50Mbps up.

In practicality, the two standards are neck and neck as far as speed and latency issues go. The real issue has been Cingular's slow roll out (and T-Mobile's no roll out), but that should be solved by the AWS spectrum coming online next year. T-Mobile has enough spectrum to blanket the country and they're rolling out UMTS from March. It's going to be good to see some real competition now that the spectrum issues that were W-CDMA's Achile's Heel are dealt with.

As I'd never even consider a mobile phone I can't choose my own hardware on, at my convenience, unless there really were no other options, I'm glad too as it means I finally have a 3G option.

HSUPA does deal with uplink, but Cingular hasn't started upgrading to that yet, and has not given any signs that they plan to grade to it within the next year.
 
The standard wars

Wow you clearly have no idea what you are talking. CDMA is much faster than GSM, and no Cingular newest 3G model isn't faster, infact it has been shown to be much slower.

If I had a nickel for every exchange on the advantages, limitations, geography of use, and otherwise personal preference for, every 2G and 3G standard for mobile phones, I could work towards destroying all traces of any of them. Atomize towers, have book-burning sessions in major cities, block Wikipedia from having pages about them.

My ultimate goal would be to abolish, or at least diminish, further discussions of these standards. When will any of you realize that someone, in fact some people, exactly like you have already said very similar things, perhaps even on the same day at the same time in another place.

How about searching for the things you say before saying them, so as not to add the cacophony of repetitious drivel. Isn’t there a law by Shannon, or someone like him, and if there isn’t there should be, which says that if you say something over and over that’s already been said thousands of times, what you say on that N+100001th time carries very little information. (If any of you would like to show me examples of people that have said what I’ve said, please quote. I always liked the idea of not practicing the things I preach).

Nonetheless, If you’d like to join the club and have an inner monologue with anyone who cares to read it on how the upcoming Mac Phone (not iPhone) will impact on your life, given where you live, and how much money you make, and how many texts you send, and whether you’ll look wonderful doing video chatting, and how long your thumbs are, please, by all means do so.

There is nothing more captivating for me than knowing all of your lives with respect to your phones. And to have access to the philosophies you create for yourselves to accompany your purchasing decisions is PRICELESS.
 
Who cares?

Uploads, downloads, networks, who is reliable, who isn't. It's all conjecture at best. I'm getting the sense there are a lot of techie ego's battling for attention here. Just whip out your microprocessors and see which one is bigger already ;). There's a war in Iraq and our civil liberties have slowly been stripped from us due to this recent administration, 2 out of 3 high school students are dropping out, health care is a mess, terrorism has worsened from our (lack of) foreign policy, social security is almost non-existent, education is a luxury most Americans can't afford, the dollar is weaker than ever, the ice caps are melting and our global climate is a disaster, and corporate America is taking over the planet with greed and corruption. THOSE are important topics. Who gives a rats behind what new tech toy Apple is releasing to make the over bloated pockets of corporate executives richer at a new toy the general population will throw away in a year only to pollute more landfills. Think Perspective.
 
If I had a nickel for every exchange on the advantages, limitations, geography of use, and otherwise personal preference for, every 2G and 3G standard for mobile phones, I could work towards destroying all traces of any of them. Atomize towers, have book-burning sessions in major cities, block Wikipedia from having pages about them.

My ultimate goal would be to abolish, or at least diminish, further discussions of these standards. When will any of you realize that someone, in fact some people, exactly like you have already said very similar things, perhaps even on the same day at the same time in another place.

How about searching for the things you say before saying them, so as not to add the cacophony of repetitious drivel. Isn’t there a law by Shannon, or someone like him, and if there isn’t there should be, which says that if you say something over and over that’s already been said thousands of times, what you say on that N+100001th time carries very little information. (If any of you would like to show me examples of people that have said what I’ve said, please quote. I always liked the idea of not practicing the things I preach).

Nonetheless, If you’d like to join the club and have an inner monologue with anyone who cares to read it on how the upcoming Mac Phone (not iPhone) will impact on your life, given where you live, and how much money you make, and how many texts you send, and whether you’ll look wonderful doing video chatting, and how long your thumbs are, please, by all means do so.

There is nothing more captivating for me than knowing all of your lives with respect to your phones. And to have access to the philosophies you create for yourselves to accompany your purchasing decisions is PRICELESS.

ROFL I couldn't have said it better myself. =)
 
Thanks

The fact of the matter is, it does matter. Your essentially arguing the same argument as saying CNN is as reliable as The National Enquirer or the World News. ThinkSecret is unreliable and as a result, there rumors cannot be trusted. How many incorrect rumors they put out weekly is beside the point. Also, I think you meant "right" and not "write." Errors like that really make a post seem utterly insignificant.

Also, I think you meant “their” and not “there,” which by your own logic, not mine, makes your comment seem utterly insignificant.

That seems rather silly to me. The comments of everyone on MR are littered with errors, which may or may not make them insignificant in terms of the points they make. Although I do agree with the idea that one should make a reasonable attempt to be error-free. In any case, I appreciate your correction.

My impression of the National Enquirer is that they deal in fabrication and that everyone knows as much. I don’t know anything about TS, but my guess would be that as much could not be assumed in their case, which makes it an unfair comparison.

Regardless, that they’re often wrong does not make them always wrong. If they can be assumed to always be wrong, why is it even worth discussing them?
 
The fact of the matter is, it does matter. Your essentially arguing the same argument as saying CNN is as reliable as The National Enquirer or the World News. ThinkSecret is unreliable and as a result, there rumors cannot be trusted. How many incorrect rumors they put out weekly is beside the point. Also, I think you meant "right" and not "write." Errors like that really make a post seem utterly insignificant.

Only a person who knows almost nothing about basic statistics and signal detection theory, both of which I know little about, would suggest that the number of data points (the frequency with which TS gets it right or wrong) does NOT matter.

The fact of the matter is it matters.

If you took a coin from your pocket and flipped it two times would you be as certain of your estimate of the probability of getting tails on the next flip as compared to an estimate based 10,000 flips?

I wouldn’t.
 
If I had a nickel for every exchange on the advantages, limitations, geography of use, and otherwise personal preference for, every 2G and 3G standard for mobile phones, I could work towards destroying all traces of any of them. Atomize towers, have book-burning sessions in major cities, block Wikipedia from having pages about them.

My ultimate goal would be to abolish, or at least diminish, further discussions of these standards. When will any of you realize that someone, in fact some people, exactly like you have already said very similar things, perhaps even on the same day at the same time in another place.

How about searching for the things you say before saying them, so as not to add the cacophony of repetitious drivel. Isn’t there a law by Shannon, or someone like him, and if there isn’t there should be, which says that if you say something over and over that’s already been said thousands of times, what you say on that N+100001th time carries very little information. (If any of you would like to show me examples of people that have said what I’ve said, please quote. I always liked the idea of not practicing the things I preach).

Nonetheless, If you’d like to join the club and have an inner monologue with anyone who cares to read it on how the upcoming Mac Phone (not iPhone) will impact on your life, given where you live, and how much money you make, and how many texts you send, and whether you’ll look wonderful doing video chatting, and how long your thumbs are, please, by all means do so.

There is nothing more captivating for me than knowing all of your lives with respect to your phones. And to have access to the philosophies you create for yourselves to accompany your purchasing decisions is PRICELESS.


Brilliant! This is why I can't be bothered to read these phone threads, I just scan through and read all about the acronyms and my head hurts! I came to Apple to keep things simple.
 
If you travel internationally on a regular basis, or if you need to use your phone anywhere outside of North America, good luck on a CDMA network. Cingular already has 3G phones (such as LG's newest 3G model) that out perform Verizon's 3G units. CDMA is NOT faster, in fact it is proving to be slower.

Exactly, CDMA is all but dead. In Europe (the biggest market), it's all about GSM, nothing else. Even in Brazil one of the major operators there decided to change to GSM, given its overwhelming domination in the global market. It was really ironic, as their ad campaigns ALWAYS praised CDMA as the best technology with a wide adoption worldwide (which is bogus)...after a few months, they changed everything for strategic reasons...

As for the iPhone, no subsidization, NO phone for me...it's THAT simple in Europe...NO ONE buys a phone without a contract...it's just plain stupid to pay 500 bucks if you can get the same thing for 100 and a 10 euro monthly plan for 12 months.

The U.S. mobile market is one of the most anachronistic of the world, with dead technologies and unreliable plans. If you guys wanna see REAL technology and business models, head to Europe, Japan or even South America...not the US.
 
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