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Not only is this a terrible update after 11 months, but of course you know the the high end 2.7 will be on at least a 4 week shipping delay as usual for Apple.
The Power lines are not POWER anymore, the least they could do is not charge a pro line premium.
The Power lines are not POWER anymore, the least they could do is not charge a pro line premium.
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Listen, I love Apple like the next guy, but Microsoft ain't dead! Apart from them being able to buy Apple tomorrow before Steve has breakfast if they REALLY wanted to, Microsoft is IBM now - they are big, they are everywhere and they are here to stay. Let's face it, Apple has less than 4% marketshare. We NEED Microsoft. I want Apple to succeed very much, and I think they are, but we're moving a bit fast here, no ?!
Object-X said:
Listen, I love Apple like the next guy, but Microsoft ain't dead! Apart from them being able to buy Apple tomorrow before Steve has breakfast if they REALLY wanted to, Microsoft is IBM now - they are big, they are everywhere and they are here to stay. Let's face it, Apple has less than 4% marketshare. We NEED Microsoft. I want Apple to succeed very much, and I think they are, but we're moving a bit fast here, no ?!
Apple's Hardware focused on iPod etc...!!!
This is more proof Apple's hardware division is focused more on the iPod and it's peripherals than the core high end Power user.....NO update in a year!!!! UNBELIEVEABLE!!!
Also WTF, this is a crap update, Intel and AMD are shipping dual core this week!!! Adobe might have been right when they said that Windows was the preferred platform for Indesign and PhotoShop if Apple doesn't get their Power lines in order. Funny but PowerMac sales have been falling ever since the intro of the G5 processor quarter over quater. It is the iMac, mini and iPod that is Apple's bread and butter now...
Jobs spank those hardware engineers and lets get moving!!!!
This is more proof Apple's hardware division is focused more on the iPod and it's peripherals than the core high end Power user.....NO update in a year!!!! UNBELIEVEABLE!!!
Also WTF, this is a crap update, Intel and AMD are shipping dual core this week!!! Adobe might have been right when they said that Windows was the preferred platform for Indesign and PhotoShop if Apple doesn't get their Power lines in order. Funny but PowerMac sales have been falling ever since the intro of the G5 processor quarter over quater. It is the iMac, mini and iPod that is Apple's bread and butter now...
Jobs spank those hardware engineers and lets get moving!!!!
Well, it's like you said: Apple is where they are today because of the Ipod. Let's face it, the music / electronic download side of the business will be what grows their business. THen come the consumer systems. The Powermac sales, while I love mine, are fairly low. Falling sales in the PM line have nothing to do with the G5. It's either pro's using Windows now (Photoshop, Vegas etc.) or simply not needing better than a Dual 2.5. I don't think Apple is neglecting the PM line so much as simply waiting for the chips from IBM.
It makes NO sense to introduce new boards with PCI-Express and faster memory, but using the same chips. They will wait till they get the dual cores in volume the end of the year and THEN pair them with PCI-E and so on. ANd, that makes sense from an investment point-of-view. From an R&D cost POV and again, I think some people here overestimate the 'repercussion' not having new PMs 'now' will have outside of this board....
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It makes NO sense to introduce new boards with PCI-Express and faster memory, but using the same chips. They will wait till they get the dual cores in volume the end of the year and THEN pair them with PCI-E and so on. ANd, that makes sense from an investment point-of-view. From an R&D cost POV and again, I think some people here overestimate the 'repercussion' not having new PMs 'now' will have outside of this board....
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riversky said:
Heres the plan. everyone sell all of your stock immediately. NOBODY buy new powermacs. instead only buy refurbs if you need them. when apples stock hits the floor, buy as much of it as you can (using your pent up G5 upgrade money). the day of reckoning will come soon after. it shall be glorious!
tru, this is a crap update and we will all now tread water for the next 7-8 months. on the other hand, at least we have outgrown the, "but will this run photoshop" comments.
it bites, but it is not the end of the world. i still have nightmares that steve has a warehouse full of 500mhz processors that he needs to use up ...
it bites, but it is not the end of the world. i still have nightmares that steve has a warehouse full of 500mhz processors that he needs to use up ...
Val-kyrie said:
Correct me if I'm wrong (and believe me, I know at least one of you out there will debate this) but didn't Apple cut their ties with Mr. Steve Jobs once before which eventually lead Apple close to filing for bankruptcy...then they brought him back which basically saved Apple...I mean I'm just spitballin here but I think that's the last thing Apple should do (to "drop Jobs")
toontra said:
it would be great if apple did that but really there us know need because if ur buying a super powermac then ur a loyal apple use and moslty likely never use windows agian, plus ipods and minis are were apple is growing
Of course, I have no inside information, like almost all of us here, so anything I say is pretty much bs .... but I still think TS knows something. Yes, maybe Apple is being more careful and information is shadier and therefore has a greater potential margin of error, but I doubt these specs are part of some nefarious plot to fool MR/TS readers: I just don't think we're that important.
I also think there's a chance GFLPraxis could be right about another, higher-end model coming out at WWDC-- not a whole line refresh, just a new crown on top (PowerMac 8100, anyone?). I don't mean that this is super-likely, I just mean that it is not so outside the realm of possibility.
Lastly, to those two posters expecting iBook updates based on the MR Buyer's Guide: it's a guide, people! Set your watch by it at your own peril. These things move on Apple-time ...
I also think there's a chance GFLPraxis could be right about another, higher-end model coming out at WWDC-- not a whole line refresh, just a new crown on top (PowerMac 8100, anyone?). I don't mean that this is super-likely, I just mean that it is not so outside the realm of possibility.
Lastly, to those two posters expecting iBook updates based on the MR Buyer's Guide: it's a guide, people! Set your watch by it at your own peril. These things move on Apple-time ...
If Intel and AMD systems with dual core tech are going to be priced at $3k and higher, does it really make sense that Apple will sell dual core chips in quad configs for the same price points as they are selling Powermacs now (less than $3k)? What better way for Apple to highlight and market new technology than to create a new Pro line which would be priced at (or above, as does Apple) the competition. Anyway, just a thought.
dosers said:.
Listen, I love Apple like the next guy, but Microsoft ain't dead! Apart from them being able to buy Apple tomorrow before Steve has breakfast if they REALLY wanted to, Microsoft is IBM now - they are big, they are everywhere and they are here to stay. Let's face it, Apple has less than 4% marketshare. We NEED Microsoft. I want Apple to succeed very much, and I think they are, but we're moving a bit fast here, no ?!
I respectfully disagree. Microsoft is dying. A tremendous paradigm shift is about to take place in the computer world and Apple, IBM, Sony, Sun, and others are pushing it. This shift is going to happen so fast you won't even beleive it. Microsoft can't keep up. They are still doing things the way they did 20 years ago and that model is about to collapse.
Apple is delivering what Microsoft has only been talking about. I'm telling you, they can't do it. Their cash cow is Windows and they can't even ship it. Longhorn will not have all the features they need to put in it and what they might have won't be ready for almost two more years!!! That is ages in tech time. Apple is turning into a internet service company. They are going to literally control all distribution of music in the near future and video and TV is next.
The Cell chip is going to be in everything imaginable. And Apple is going to write the software. And all along the way Apple computers will gain significant marketshare, not to mention mind share. Microsoft is too huge, they are into too many different things, and their technologies (at least the ones that will make money) are not going to be adopted by an industry that increasingly distrusts their monopoly and dislikes their implementation. Apple is perfectly positioned to adopt and support open standards while capitalizing on internet based service software (ala iTunes).
Microsoft's empire was built on copying others, but they can't even do that anymore. All they have is their money. But money can't buy you everything. IBM will never let Apple get purchased by Microsoft and I don't think the government would allow it either. Microsoft's days are numbered. They must innovate or die. And we all know which it will be.
now what do i do...
i've been waiting over 2 months for these 'rumor's about new PM's to eventuate. i just sold my beige G3 that i bought over 7 yrs ago...so i'm absolutely killing for a newer, faster machine but all this specualation is so annoying. no way can i wait till june and....as for '2 weeks'?, that sounds just as flakey as the original rumor.
i've been waiting over 2 months for these 'rumor's about new PM's to eventuate. i just sold my beige G3 that i bought over 7 yrs ago...so i'm absolutely killing for a newer, faster machine but all this specualation is so annoying. no way can i wait till june and....as for '2 weeks'?, that sounds just as flakey as the original rumor.
LOL
...And people claim rumor sites are nothing but good for Apple. Free publicity, yadda yadda yadda...
Hey, the next Power Macs could be underwhelming. Or Thinksecret's info could be wrong and the next updates will be ok. It's too early to tell. But anyone logging in here is just going to see a deluge of carping and whining over something that doesn't even exist yet. But it's so one sided it's sure to scare plenty of people.
But hey, it's free publicity.
Sorry to be such a downer, I just see this same cycle repeating itself.
...And people claim rumor sites are nothing but good for Apple. Free publicity, yadda yadda yadda...
Hey, the next Power Macs could be underwhelming. Or Thinksecret's info could be wrong and the next updates will be ok. It's too early to tell. But anyone logging in here is just going to see a deluge of carping and whining over something that doesn't even exist yet. But it's so one sided it's sure to scare plenty of people.
But hey, it's free publicity.
Sorry to be such a downer, I just see this same cycle repeating itself.
daveL said:
So they are not going with the PCI-X 2.0 spec... well that's a little better than me reading it as Apple removing PCI-X from the lineup.
But still... I can't see this rumor being accurate.
They've been sitting on 2.5 GHz for [a year]? If the current architecture will not allow for much of a speed bump, then they had over a year to rethink other options. And the brilliant plan for revamping the G5 is to not adopt new technologies like PCI-Express and dual core processors?
PCI-Express is quickly becoming the new standard, but leave it to Apple to be arrogant and not support it for spite. You know, unless it's open source, Apple doesn't want to use it... yet they enjoy creating their own proprietary technologies.
Oh well, I suppose it's always been a love/hate relationship with Apple. I'd really like Apple's high end computers (PMs) to be competitive with PCs... but if these rumors pan out, I'm afraid the comparison between Mac and PC will be one of irrelevance.
Oh?dosers said:
Now, I'm not denying that it's technically superior to the 4MX,
but when I put my friend's dual 2.5 next to my Xeon and my G4,
its rendering speed (and I'm talking about hardware rendered Maya particles here) was MUCH closer to the G4 than the Xeon.
This could be a result of bad OpenGL implementation,
or it could be that these cards aren't as cut out for my line of work as the FireGLs are.
Yes, yes, and yes.dosers said:
Not only am I using Maya,
but as an Effects Artist,
I use particles and fluid effects EXTENSIVELY.
The particles depend *heavily* on graphics hardware for speed and stability,
and sadly, the video cards available for Macs (even current high end models) fall short on both counts.
The fluids are among the most processor intensive tasks any computer can be given.
I'd like to think that a dual-dual-core g5/g6 would make those 20 minutes per frame render times into something a bit more tolerable.
Object-X said:
I really REALLY hope you are right! I've long wondered about this [using the cell], maybe you're on to something here...
Object-X said:
Maybe in the "Bizzaro Word"
It is very very hard to take a monopoly down. Especially when the government has decided to leave them alone. Until an alternative operating system can compete against them in the X86 world they will continue to dominate. Of course it isn't just the OS, it's the Apps and developers too.
Say what you want but anyone who develops software for a living will tell you Microsoft has built the easiest to use and most powerful development suite ever. Visual studio is a dream to use. It's debuggers are awesome.
Apple's Xcode Tools are a joke in comparison.
plastique45 said:
https://www.macrumors.com/pages/2005/02/20050216183059.shtml
That should anwser your 'tiger only' remark.
I realize thinksecret has been mostly very accurate in the past but with the lawsuit I'm just saying i wouldn't be counting on their info for gospel for the time being. Apple is obviously very huge, has a ton of money and cares very much of its product 'secrecy'. I think its a bit naive to think they can't seriously manipulate the whole 'rumor mill' if they wanted to. i wonder what an apple NDA is like, i bet is pretty tight and thurough.
Apple has a lot of money and a lot of it is involved with IBM right now. Apple is a HOT company now(more in teh consumer/non pro market right now) and companies often run with a thin profit margin. IF apple left IBM i'm sure they'd survive but it'd hurt them. I realize apple doesn't produce their own processors but i assure you they have something to do with the development.
Originally Posted by Object-X
"Microsoft's days are numbered"
Umm, yeah, back in line for Star Wars 3 there, X. WM-9 is being used by quite a few film festivals now for HD projection....because MS gave them the equipment free. Mister Softie knows that they can't rely completely on MS word for revenue and they are PREPARED to BUY their way into any business or model that appears.
Now there's no denying Apple has a plan to get in the HD content world. They want producers like me to be making stuff using their tools, and their codecs. Hey, i'm all for it, but here's a newsflash. You need some hardware to do that. And it's not Apple against the world, they need help. All those trailers on the Apple site? Sorensen codec by the way....
Though I think Apple will deliver the goods, but they are in big time catch-up mode. The Ipod has given them some breathing room and a deep pocket. Let's see what they come up with.
"Microsoft's days are numbered"
Umm, yeah, back in line for Star Wars 3 there, X. WM-9 is being used by quite a few film festivals now for HD projection....because MS gave them the equipment free. Mister Softie knows that they can't rely completely on MS word for revenue and they are PREPARED to BUY their way into any business or model that appears.
Now there's no denying Apple has a plan to get in the HD content world. They want producers like me to be making stuff using their tools, and their codecs. Hey, i'm all for it, but here's a newsflash. You need some hardware to do that. And it's not Apple against the world, they need help. All those trailers on the Apple site? Sorensen codec by the way....
Though I think Apple will deliver the goods, but they are in big time catch-up mode. The Ipod has given them some breathing room and a deep pocket. Let's see what they come up with.
Object-X said:
Ok, so you've pounded your point into our heads so many times. Could you please cite some examples of how Microsoft's is going to be driven it into oblivion? Are they just sitting on their hands? Does their strategy suck?
Microsoft does sit on $30 billion (or was it more?) in cash reserves. Will that disappear along with Microsft?
And if Microsoft does disappear, who will be the major OS player in the business segment? Banks, insurance companies, real estate, investment bankers, traders, and even the public sector?
And let's assume Apple's stock falls to $10-15. Will you still be gung ho on Apples capitalization on the digital lifestyle?
Pretty scary looking chart if you ask me, huh?
Hmmmm....might not this announcement be a better indicator of whether or not dual-core PowerMacs are on the horizon?
http://www.macworld.com/news/2005/04/18/lightwave/index.php
As one of the posters points out, Lightwave is a cross-platform application, and this could merely be in anticipation of Intel's and AMD's soon-to-be dual-core processors. But I've got a feeling these guys know something the rest of us don't.
http://www.macworld.com/news/2005/04/18/lightwave/index.php
As one of the posters points out, Lightwave is a cross-platform application, and this could merely be in anticipation of Intel's and AMD's soon-to-be dual-core processors. But I've got a feeling these guys know something the rest of us don't.