Telp
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This would mean they would release the kit thursday, and by the time summer rolls around, there will be tons of apps. Does that answer your question?
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This would mean they would release the kit thursday, and by the time summer rolls around, there will be tons of apps. Does that answer your question?
zulgand04
macrumors regular
Well, lets see here OS X and Safari Apple products (or ability to tweak ever aspect of it). While Flash is an Adobe product, one that is very processor and memory intensive, and they have less play in tweaking it. Now they could just throw the cell phone version in there, but that defeats the point of having a full blown web browser, that is Safari.
I know it sucks, but a year ago we could't do half the stuff we can with the iPhone now. it will come in time, maybe not in the near future but it will.
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happydude
macrumors 65816
blech, flash would suck
am i the only person on here that thinks flash would be horrible for the iphone? it would just slow down the edge connection even more, drain the battery, plague the iphone with pop up crap, and really, what do you need flash for? i just don't get it.
am i the only person on here that thinks flash would be horrible for the iphone? it would just slow down the edge connection even more, drain the battery, plague the iphone with pop up crap, and really, what do you need flash for? i just don't get it.
I just am very much hoping we get 1 or 2 "showstopper" CONSUMER apps "available today", aka Thursday.
Sling Media, I am looking at you.
Sling Media, I am looking at you.
Rocksaurus
macrumors 6502a
http://www.adobe.com/devnet/devices/nokia.html
I count 32 phones on this site that can do flash... I don't get why the iPhone can't do it? Obviously they can't use the Symbian version, but why they don't have their own version by now is beyond me.
And for those of you who are "glad" flash isn't on the iPhone, you could always turn it off if it was. Then, who knows, maybe in the case you *do* need it, you can just turn it back on and have it! 😛
I count 32 phones on this site that can do flash... I don't get why the iPhone can't do it? Obviously they can't use the Symbian version, but why they don't have their own version by now is beyond me.
And for those of you who are "glad" flash isn't on the iPhone, you could always turn it off if it was. Then, who knows, maybe in the case you *do* need it, you can just turn it back on and have it! 😛
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Hmm... games...
How about using the iPhone as a controller for iGameConsole, using wifi as connection, and accelerometer like Wii, and the screen for a few buttons.
How about using the iPhone as a controller for iGameConsole, using wifi as connection, and accelerometer like Wii, and the screen for a few buttons.
Well, I don't know if you could call "Flash Lite" real Flash. I would assume that it has support for various things removed to the point where it really isn't all that great.
I'd rather see an iPhone with real Flash on it instead of a cut down version that isn't all that useful.
Analog Kid
macrumors G3
I still see this as more bad news for current iPhone owners... Thursday is the SDK "roadmap", 3G phone due 2nd quarter, apps by summer... All this is still pointing to no SDK support on current iPhones.
Once there's an SDK, what prevents Adobe from providing a Flash player anyway? They just need support from Apple to embed it into Safari?
I wouldn't mind life without Flash, might actually prefer it, but it seems strange that Adobe wouldn't get support out there on their own.
The Mac Mini does this job quite nicely. I've got a G4 mini acting as a server (web, mail, DNS, ssh relay) and it's also my wireless router. All in one nifty box. I'll cry the day Apple discontinues the Mini...
Once there's an SDK, what prevents Adobe from providing a Flash player anyway? They just need support from Apple to embed it into Safari?
I wouldn't mind life without Flash, might actually prefer it, but it seems strange that Adobe wouldn't get support out there on their own.
The Mac Mini does this job quite nicely. I've got a G4 mini acting as a server (web, mail, DNS, ssh relay) and it's also my wireless router. All in one nifty box. I'll cry the day Apple discontinues the Mini...
Rocksaurus
macrumors 6502a
Flash Lite supports FLV playback (the thing most users here probably want) and supposedly supports "most" Flash 8 content. While it's not like a full version of Flash 9, I hardly would call it "not all that great."
Who wouldn't want to at least have the option to at least have flv playback on their iPhone, after all?
Plus, it's not like Apple's never implemented something that didn't have *all* the features in it yet. Like those iMacs and Macbooks that couldn't use Wireless N without the update. Maybe once Apple finally does come out with Flash, they'll charge iPhone users for it! 😛
Did you read what Steve said? "Learn Cocoa and write it yourself." Of course most users lack he skills required but many don't.
This is really big news. When Jobs said that he gave away some good info -- That Apple will NOT act as a gate keeper that people will be able to write their own software. He expects that by summer may people will have done just that
Small White Car
macrumors G4
Obviously, if it's technically possible, then the iPhone lacks it for non-technical reasons.
And since the reasons are non-technical, don't expect them to change anytime soon!
Here's some really good guesswork as to why that might be:
http://daringfireball.net/2008/02/flash_iphone_calculus
Rocksaurus
macrumors 6502a
Great article. I already knew that was why, I just wanted to see what the Apple-faithful would come up with in the excuse category... And I didn't want to get them too riled up in the process. Haha. Oh well, here we go.... 🙂
inkswamp
macrumors 68030
No Flash? No problem!
Personally, I hope Apple and the iPhone take this whole wave of Flashmania down a peg or two. I'm really fed up with everything and anything being Flash-based nowadays, half of which could have been done faster and more efficiently with DHMTL and/or half-a-brain. There's no benefit to bogging down the browser with two dozen ads, movies, music players and various other widgets on any website with a technology that is piggybacking on the Web. It's gone too far and I hope others beyond Apple join in pushing back.
Personally, I hope Apple and the iPhone take this whole wave of Flashmania down a peg or two. I'm really fed up with everything and anything being Flash-based nowadays, half of which could have been done faster and more efficiently with DHMTL and/or half-a-brain. There's no benefit to bogging down the browser with two dozen ads, movies, music players and various other widgets on any website with a technology that is piggybacking on the Web. It's gone too far and I hope others beyond Apple join in pushing back.
A website done in Flash is not really a website. Would you consider a PDF document sent by a web server to be a website?
I don't want Flash to take up storage space, use all my CPU and drain the battery of my iPod touch. And anyway 99% of the time, Flash is used for annoying animations and banners.
I really don't miss Flash and I browse with disabled plug-ins on my Mac mini and PowerBook. If only there was a way to keep Quicktime enabled but disable Flash...
I don't want Flash to take up storage space, use all my CPU and drain the battery of my iPod touch. And anyway 99% of the time, Flash is used for annoying animations and banners.
I really don't miss Flash and I browse with disabled plug-ins on my Mac mini and PowerBook. If only there was a way to keep Quicktime enabled but disable Flash...
arkmannj
macrumors 68000
flash..
I have to say I don't miss flash much on the iPhone. for the browsing I do, I'm pretty sure it would just get in the way most of the time.
What I'm interested in is why Apple doesn't do a more complete implementation of Quicktime on the iPhone. As I recall Quicktime can handle interactive elements all on its own can't it ?
I have to say I don't miss flash much on the iPhone. for the browsing I do, I'm pretty sure it would just get in the way most of the time.
What I'm interested in is why Apple doesn't do a more complete implementation of Quicktime on the iPhone. As I recall Quicktime can handle interactive elements all on its own can't it ?
BrownManUPS
macrumors 6502a
I'm going to make a guess and say that this Thursday the beta version will be released and companies will make their apps and the beta will be leaked and an open beta will sort of fall out.
In other words, Steve was saying that they will announce it Thursday (Beta) as we have heard, then the full version will come out a couple months later as predicted, then developers actually need a little time to write their apps and by summer there will be a ton of apps available. Not that hard to understand. And don't worry, if Apple does leave something out in iPhone 2.0 which of course not everyone will be happy, but as long as there is demand for something someone will make the app. And then Apple will probably make a better one later and obsolete that 3rd party app like they do in OS X. Fine by me!
I haven't missed Flash on my iPod Touch at all. It might be nice, but I would prefer more stability myself and have them add something Flash like when it is actually ready for it.
I figured that Hollywood was to blame for the lack of movies. It is because of the writers strike and now they haven't negotiated digital royalties terms for movies that were made before the digital age.... PSH figures. GET IT WORKED OUT FAST HOLLYWOOD, I have stopped renting movies because I have already rented everything I wanna see from the selection so far.
Analog Kid
macrumors G3
What I took from that is that the SDK is full native. No Java, no widgets, no Adobe AIR-- Cocoa. Just like mama used to make...
I think the problem was that with the writers strike, nobody could draft a contract. They've been trying to keep track of negotiations using more of an oral narrative... When the deal does close, don't be surprised if the contract clauses rhyme.
compuguy1088
macrumors 6502a
I think that sounds awesome too. They totally have it in the works. All future homes will have to have some kind of network and people do not want to be a computer scientist to put it together. They also will want it primarily to keep all their media central. So I see this as another HUGE opportunity for Apple to gain market share with their EASY EASY to use BEAUTIFUL and MEDIA CENTRIC lifestyle products. I couldn't think of another company I would want to build my entertainment center and home network 🙂 Can't wait 😀
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU like Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/420.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.0 Mobile/4A102 Safari/419.3)
lamest, stupidest, most retarded workaround for MMS. If I have to tell one more person I can't recieve MMS messages on my iPhone ...... Rant finished.
bd-in-pdx said:
lamest, stupidest, most retarded workaround for MMS. If I have to tell one more person I can't recieve MMS messages on my iPhone ...... Rant finished.