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In a way, your saying Apple's answer to Windows Home Server, but in an Apple way.
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It would be great if Apple worked with ABC to deliver streamed ABC episodes in HD on Apple TV (just like abc.com).
I think we will see new apps released this week along with the SDK.
Just enough to wet our beaks to show us the potential for new apps later.
Just enough to wet our beaks to show us the potential for new apps later.
MacinDoc
macrumors 68020
As others have already pointed out, the SDK is coming out (at least in beta) this week, but it will take time for developers to use it to produce applications. The SDK isn't being created to help Apple to build new applications, but to allow 3rd party developers to do so. In other words, summer would be right on time for SDK-based apps to come out.
Or were you being sarcastic?
About no Flash.
Am I the only one to expect the iphone with safari to work like safari on my computer?
1) There are sites built entirely with flash, that are pretty darn cool.
2advanced is one. Argue what you will about its uses, it shows the potential of flash, and a former colleague of mine used it for his site primarily as well.
In fact, my site...being updated, is 100% flash. (an online artgallery).
So some websites you wont be able to visit.
2) Flash games...god I love flash mini games. Again, I suppose most of you are spoiled with an xbox and playstation? The only games I have are these free little internet apps, and they are quite cool...and numerous, I dont expect SDK apps to all of a sudden replace the 100s out there.
(mini clips, shockwave, etc.)
3) Not necessarily a safari issue...but if this is a web phone, or whatever, where is skype? (same with ipod touch.) I expected this from the get go.
Yes, I know, ATT would have its panties in a knot over this...but again, if they are selling the web and its functionality, give it to us and stop playing around. 😉
Thanks steve!
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Am I the only one to expect the iphone with safari to work like safari on my computer?
1) There are sites built entirely with flash, that are pretty darn cool.
2advanced is one. Argue what you will about its uses, it shows the potential of flash, and a former colleague of mine used it for his site primarily as well.
In fact, my site...being updated, is 100% flash. (an online artgallery).
So some websites you wont be able to visit.
2) Flash games...god I love flash mini games. Again, I suppose most of you are spoiled with an xbox and playstation? The only games I have are these free little internet apps, and they are quite cool...and numerous, I dont expect SDK apps to all of a sudden replace the 100s out there.
(mini clips, shockwave, etc.)
3) Not necessarily a safari issue...but if this is a web phone, or whatever, where is skype? (same with ipod touch.) I expected this from the get go.
Yes, I know, ATT would have its panties in a knot over this...but again, if they are selling the web and its functionality, give it to us and stop playing around. 😉
Thanks steve!
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This brings up an idea I've had for 2 years now.
I see the future of iTunes becoming a web-based app rather than a standalone app. Other than that bizarre notion I believe we will see the SDK along with a few small,non intensive apps Thursday with the first glimpse of the 3G iPhone that will probably come out at WWDC'08.
Flash? That's a sticky widget considering Apple is moving to 64-bit apps. There would have to be a more specialized version of the mobile Safari that uses much less cpu power in order to do flash-based stuff on the iPhone. Otherwise it will bog down.
Hooray no flash
Not using flash means people who care about the iPhone are likely to code using real, live web standards, which means the sites are easier to use and navigate (not to mention significantly faster).
I thinking I can survive without spinning logo ads, thank you very much!
Not using flash means people who care about the iPhone are likely to code using real, live web standards, which means the sites are easier to use and navigate (not to mention significantly faster).
I thinking I can survive without spinning logo ads, thank you very much!
MattInOz
macrumors 68030
What with the iPhone/iPod Touch being a platform in there own right, you could alot of people using them standalone ,no computer at all. Or one Real Computer in the house for those times and a mix of AppleTV and iPod devices spread around.
It sounds like a job for Intel Atom really low power has more than enough grunt when needed, would be just what the doctor ordered.
Liking the Idea of ad supported downloads, one request can i pick the ads?
Well maybe not specific ads, but with that Patent App of Apples about podcast complied on demand this would be a great use. I mean lets face we all want to skip the ads because out of standard ad break you'd be lucky if one was of interest. Now if ad break where 1-2 ads long and better targeted then better for all concerned.
No more Tampon ads life would be so good.
Hey a don't mind being profiled as long as it benefits me as well.
Yeah, I think this gets at the real reason why there isn't Flash on the iPhone. All this talk about slowness is a smokescreen. I think the real problem is those onmouseover events. The way Apple has implemented their iPhone OS, you can't do a mouseover using multitouch. And Flash is all about mouseovers.
Apple would have to modify the OS to allow rollovers/mouseovers. I think they could do that by letting you hold one finger down to "stabilize" the page, and then any motion by a second finger would be interpreted as a mouseover.
As it is now, if you try to swipe your finger across a web element, you wind up scrolling the page. If you hold down one finger and move a second, you zoom in/zoom out.
I don't know why Apple doesn't do this. It's a change that must happen for Flash to come to the iPhone (and be usable).
MMS just crippled email
I don't understand the whole MMS whining thing. MMS is just crippled and overpriced email. The whole thing will disappear the second the other mobile handsets start to handle email nicely. You want to start paying for your emails per messages sent like you pay for SMS?
I don't understand the whole MMS whining thing. MMS is just crippled and overpriced email. The whole thing will disappear the second the other mobile handsets start to handle email nicely. You want to start paying for your emails per messages sent like you pay for SMS?
Ummm... If I had the SDK right now the special application I would like to develop would take a couple of months to get to feature-complete beta quality (if I ditched the day job and did nothing else). Possibly longer (I don't know how much effort getting two iPhones or Touchs to communicate wirelessly involves - and adding that to the equation adds a whole extra subset of functionality right there). And as I also have a day job (and other concerns) it is going to take more than two months (unless I can convince my boss that we want to go into iPhone software development and can sneak my little side project in as training). Sure - a lot of the web apps will not be that hard to implement, but the real interesting apps are going to take a bit longer to get out the door.
Apple may (or may not) release a full SDK on Thursday - but if Jobs is going to see lots of apps by summer then they are going to have to get it out very soon.
I don't know about the AT&T contract - but the O2 contract explicitly notes that use of VoIP using the "unlimited data" is not "fair use". So while Skype may be made available for the iPhone, people who use it could be in for a very nasty shock when their data services are cut off or they get a very-very large bill.
an iPhone user calls Jobs out on his FLAT OUT LIES!!!
First, I do think the iPhone is the best phone I've ever owned. Now...Flash not being ported to the iPhone because it would be too processor intensive or drain the battery too quickly is just a FLAT OUT LIE. Once again, this comes down to having to pay $$$ to Adobe, and Apple trying to push h264. Heck, on my 4 year old Windows Mobile PDA that I also use for Skype (another app not available natively from Skype on the iPhone), I can play Flash just fine. Stop the lies Mr. Jobs, some of us are smarter than that.
Don't even get me started about 3G, Woz did a fine job commenting on that a few days ago. At least one Apple founder can be honest and critical of Apple.
And WHY WOULDN'T AT&T want MMS? AT&T would make more money. Duh. For the $400 price tag (still well-worth it IMO), MMS should have been a no-brainer. When a cheapo camera phone does MMS, Apple needs to realize that in order to have a product that COMPLETELY sets the new bar or standard, they have to include old technology as well as the newer.
And BTW, I'd absolutely LOVE to get rid of my Windows Mobile PDA, as soon as Flash and Skype are available. Carrying both around is a bit superfluous, but I do save over $1200 a year by using Skype instead of my cell phone when I'm on the go. I know a lot of other users do too. Hmmm. While I can blame Apple for not releasing the SDK, I also wonder about AT&T knowing that they'd lose a lot of money even with their new $99 "unlimited plan" if users knew they could make unlimited calls at any WIFI hotspot for $30 a year with Skype or VOIP. Apple, when you sleep with the devil, the users get burned.
Yay for the SDK. It's about time. I just hope Apple is consistent with their hardware model for the iPhone. In other words, like their desktops and notebooks, I better be able to receive updates for my iPhone for at least 3-4 years, hopefully more, before it becomes obsolete.
First, I do think the iPhone is the best phone I've ever owned. Now...Flash not being ported to the iPhone because it would be too processor intensive or drain the battery too quickly is just a FLAT OUT LIE. Once again, this comes down to having to pay $$$ to Adobe, and Apple trying to push h264. Heck, on my 4 year old Windows Mobile PDA that I also use for Skype (another app not available natively from Skype on the iPhone), I can play Flash just fine. Stop the lies Mr. Jobs, some of us are smarter than that.
Don't even get me started about 3G, Woz did a fine job commenting on that a few days ago. At least one Apple founder can be honest and critical of Apple.
And WHY WOULDN'T AT&T want MMS? AT&T would make more money. Duh. For the $400 price tag (still well-worth it IMO), MMS should have been a no-brainer. When a cheapo camera phone does MMS, Apple needs to realize that in order to have a product that COMPLETELY sets the new bar or standard, they have to include old technology as well as the newer.
And BTW, I'd absolutely LOVE to get rid of my Windows Mobile PDA, as soon as Flash and Skype are available. Carrying both around is a bit superfluous, but I do save over $1200 a year by using Skype instead of my cell phone when I'm on the go. I know a lot of other users do too. Hmmm. While I can blame Apple for not releasing the SDK, I also wonder about AT&T knowing that they'd lose a lot of money even with their new $99 "unlimited plan" if users knew they could make unlimited calls at any WIFI hotspot for $30 a year with Skype or VOIP. Apple, when you sleep with the devil, the users get burned.
Yay for the SDK. It's about time. I just hope Apple is consistent with their hardware model for the iPhone. In other words, like their desktops and notebooks, I better be able to receive updates for my iPhone for at least 3-4 years, hopefully more, before it becomes obsolete.
sounds like thursday will be talking about the introduction of the SDK along with a 1.1.6 firmware update and itunes update.
games on the iphone? c'mon... make more reliable apps vs that please... i didn't spend 5-600 on a phone that plays games.. if i wanted games, i'd break out a PSP or DS...
flash support... question here is going to be apple and adobe getting along and this won't happen. It'll land up being quicktime or some variant offering similar style support for a psudo-flash system. Just like the youtube works on the phone, it'll have to work out somehow...
i carry a n95 on me for flash support and works without a hitch. Maybe Nokia can teach apple how to get along w/ adobe and get flash on it..
I enjoy my iphone but wish it did more...
I'll be happy to see exchange and lotus notes support on thursday though if that happens. the question will then be what does the IT/enterprise customer say about it...
games on the iphone? c'mon... make more reliable apps vs that please... i didn't spend 5-600 on a phone that plays games.. if i wanted games, i'd break out a PSP or DS...
flash support... question here is going to be apple and adobe getting along and this won't happen. It'll land up being quicktime or some variant offering similar style support for a psudo-flash system. Just like the youtube works on the phone, it'll have to work out somehow...
i carry a n95 on me for flash support and works without a hitch. Maybe Nokia can teach apple how to get along w/ adobe and get flash on it..
I enjoy my iphone but wish it did more...
I'll be happy to see exchange and lotus notes support on thursday though if that happens. the question will then be what does the IT/enterprise customer say about it...
Are you kidding me?
Watching Flash movies/animations on my MBP fires up the fans and makes this thing cook, imagine that on a phone!!!!
Once again, my 4 year old Windows Mobile PDA runs flash flawlessly and I get 3 hours of constant web browsing and video use. This is baloney. This is the same argument Apple used for 3G, and this has to do with profit margins and a lack of 3G network availability on AT&T's part. Perhaps you should re-examine why your Macbook Pro fires up when using Flash. My November 07 Macbook with 4gb of ram does no such thing with Flash.
Just once for the hearing or logic impaired...
Microsoft owns wmv. Wmv will appear on iphone when microsoft wants it to and probably never. Duh. Ask microsoft.
Adobe owns flash. Flash will appear on iphone when adobe wants it to, who knows when. Ask adobe.
Now stop the flash and wmv file whining or go to the proper adobe and microsoft websites to file your complaints.
This is not the place and i just don't see where this is a valid complaint against apple.
The iphone is what it is, if you don't like it, don't buy it and especially don't troll your non-buyer complaints here about something you don't even own. 'Nuff said.
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Because the iPhone has a bigger screen may be?. which you know, drains battery. Apple engineers are not idiots, if it is feasible they will put it in.
Once again, SDK does not mean "awesome bundle of new apps". It's the tool to make the apps. So they are only one week late in their promise (assuming they release the beta tomorrow). The rest really isn't up to them......
Silverlight competition is needed.
The longer that Adobe continue to hold out on the iPhone, the more of a window of opportunity this presents for Microsoft to slip in there with Silverlight. And maybe this is exactly what we need to leverage Flash on the iPhone; some good old fashioned competition.
Adobe cannot afford to give MS any opportunity to gain traction where Silverlight is concerned. So ceding the iPhone market to Microsoft is not something they're going to want to do.
The longer that Adobe continue to hold out on the iPhone, the more of a window of opportunity this presents for Microsoft to slip in there with Silverlight. And maybe this is exactly what we need to leverage Flash on the iPhone; some good old fashioned competition.
Adobe cannot afford to give MS any opportunity to gain traction where Silverlight is concerned. So ceding the iPhone market to Microsoft is not something they're going to want to do.
Hear hear. I can count on one hand the cases where Flash might be justified. Splash screens, banner ads and that ilk is not on the list.
BWhaler
macrumors 68040
You really have no idea what a SDK is or what you are talking about, do you?
No, not really. And flash sucks.