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More Shareholder Notes: SDK Hints, "Lots of" iPhone Apps, No Flash

Yvan256 said:
A website done in Flash is not really a website. Would you consider a PDF document sent by a web server to be a website?
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A website done entirely in flash will still have the <html> tags in the source, so therefore it is really a website. Also many websites utilise flash in parts, some pieces of interactivity which would be very difficult to do and have big overheads in HTML/CSS/javascript can be done very easily and efficiently in flash. Not to mention the fact there are less cross browser issues.
 
elppa said:
A website done entirely in flash will still have the <html> tags in the source, so therefore it is really a website. Also many websites utilise flash in parts, some pieces of interactivity which would be very difficult to do and have big overheads in HTML/CSS/javascript can be done very easily and efficiently in flash. Not to mention the fact there are less cross browser issues.
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And then there are the sites that require Flash when it's not needed for the "real" functionality of that site.

Whether good or bad as soon as you include something or suggest its should be standard on all browsers people will over use it. What sense does it make to wait for a larger download so I can pick a menu option when could be done with HTML much faster?

Let be honest, decent web developers can and should provide both options, but there are more bad flash web sites than there are good flash web sites out there.

Some mentioned it should be an option to turn off or not, but whether enabled or not as soon as it is supported on all iphones, that essentially telling people, use more flash.
 
k2director said:
There better be a To Do app in my near-future, Apple. With synching to iCal on the Mac, no less....
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I'm hoping that Omni will port their OmniOutliner application to the iPhone when the SDK comes out, or at least a subset of it that makes sense for the device. Proper hierarchical TODO applications are few and far between.
 
lauph said:
Hmm... games...

How about using the iPhone as a controller for iGameConsole, using wifi as connection, and accelerometer like Wii, and the screen for a few buttons.
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Whilst I don't mind if my kids occasionally loose grip of the WiiMote... I don't think I want them doing that with my iPhone!
 
Apple is lying here.

The Nokia N810 has a 400MHz ARM11 processor core, runs Adobe Flash 9 and is powerful enough to even play streaming videos via flash. It doesn't use Flash Lite like mobile phones do.

The iPhone's ARM11 processor core can thus more than handle it (400MHz with earlier software, 412MHz with software 1.1.2 and above)
 
Headrush69 said:
And then there are the sites that require Flash when it's not needed for the "real" functionality of that site.

Whether good or bad as soon as you include something or suggest its should be standard on all browsers people will over use it. What sense does it make to wait for a larger download so I can pick a menu option when could be done with HTML much faster?

Let be honest, decent web developers can and should provide both options, but there are more bad flash web sites than there are good flash web sites out there.

Some mentioned it should be an option to turn off or not, but whether enabled or not as soon as it is supported on all iphones, that essentially telling people, use more flash.
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I agree that Flash is overused. In theory, if all cell phone vendors agreed never to support Flash on their devices, it might encourage Web developers to use it less.

However, I don't think that's going to happen. Meanwhile, there are many Web sites that I can't access on my iPhone, so I'd like to see Apple and/or Adobe come out with a solution that lets me access these sites without a significant performance hit.
 
It seems to me that "something much better than the current Flash player" perhaps implies the use of Microsoft Silverlight as a replacement. Perhaps Apple made a deal with Microsoft similar to them agreeing to make Internet Explorer the default Mac browser a while back. And it may have been done in exchange for Microsoft's support and help getting Exchange support up on the iPhone. If the iPhone does support Silverlight over Flash, I hope Microsoft is paying Apple nicely for locking out Adobe, although I suppose that would be anti-competitive.
 
I'm not surprised there's no Flash support.. I've seen what it does to the CPU on my iMac (a fair dent) and my Powerbook (100% CPU, sluggish response, it can't cope with Youtube smoothly, and it becomes a handy little hotplate for cooking eggs on). Until they resolve the insane power consumption issue there's no way in hell one of those 'little' iPhones can handle it.
 
destroyboredom said:
If no flash then at least update the sub-par viewmymessage.com website to work more than 50% of the time, and where the pics aren't flash based so you can actually view them on the phone. I know this is more AT&T but wtf...Apple should be all over them about this.
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Holy crap, I couldn't agree more! At least make that viewmymessage.com site iPhone friendly!
 
Alphy said:
I just am very much hoping we get 1 or 2 "showstopper" CONSUMER apps "available today", aka Thursday.


Sling Media, I am looking at you.
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Yes, yes, Y-E-S...YES. :) I'd probably go out and buy a Slingbox tomorrow if there's an iPhone app available!
 
I have been reading these blogs pretty regularly for the past couple months since obtaining my iPhone. The one thing that I would want that I haven't read anyone else write about would be a missed call/text reminder. There are many times when I am not near my phone when I have a text, or simply don't hear it. I end up going a considerable length of time before I check my phone and find out I have a text. Anyone else feel the same?
 
TPALTony said:
Oh sheesh, we're reading things into when Jobs DOESN'T say things now! A pause means something? Other than he needs to take a breath? :)
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If you were editing radiointerviews, or were a bass player or drummer you'd know that pauses are where it's all happening. :cool:









Sometimes, though, a pause is just there because the fella is slow :D
 
Telp said:
This would mean they would release the kit thursday, and by the time summer rolls around, there will be tons of apps. Does that answer your question?
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I think that this means that, they release the kit in beta form on thursday but only release it to a few select companies. The companies develop apps behind closed doors and when the kit gets released to the public, then these apps that they have been working on in beta form will get released.

So this way when the kit is fully released, jobs will have a number of cool apps to demo.
 
EricNau said:
It would be great if Apple worked with ABC to deliver streamed ABC episodes in HD on Apple TV (just like abc.com).
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I just sent a note to the ATV Feedback about this issue, with this exact recommendation (ABC partnership).
 
Flash? No thanks. Silverlight? I certainly hope not.

How about an Apple-owned technology, which can do a lot of the things that Flash does (or at least things used for websites)? Quicktime, anyone?

I bet Apple are busy making a new version of Quicktime which includes things that could be useful for exports of Keynote presentations, etc. That would include animations and that sort of things.

That could explain the delay with the SDK, too.
 
I have to agree with all of the following as they have already stated how I feel on the subject. My challenge goes out for someone to sell me on why the heck we need flash. A regular has finally convinced me with a common since post on the value of 3G...so now I challenge someone to convince me on Flash, otherwise its more complaining about something that is not needed.

I am tired of see threads started about how slow edge is, how the newest update is responsible for lower battery performance...and you don't think that flash will effect these areas??? give me a break

Flash games are cheap and use up tremendous resources, games similiar to those that are available for the iPods are coming soon and are not resource hungry...so don't try to sell me on games.

I hate flash adds that are always poppin up on various websites, they cause slow loading, use resources and distract from the intent of the original web site I am visiting

gumbyhw said:
Not using flash means people who care about the iPhone are likely to code using real, live web standards, which means the sites are easier to use and navigate (not to mention significantly faster).

I thinking I can survive without spinning logo ads, thank you very much!
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AMEN...feel exactly the same way!

Headrush69 said:
And then there are the sites that require Flash when it's not needed for the "real" functionality of that site.

Whether good or bad as soon as you include something or suggest its should be standard on all browsers people will over use it. What sense does it make to wait for a larger download so I can pick a menu option when could be done with HTML much faster?

Let be honest, decent web developers can and should provide both options, but there are more bad flash web sites than there are good flash web sites out there.

Some mentioned it should be an option to turn off or not, but whether enabled or not as soon as it is supported on all iphones, that essentially telling people, use more flash.
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Again, well stated. There are others that posted on page 2 that I also fully support in their respective comments related to flash.
 
DTphonehome said:
An Xserve mini (or iServe as I shall call it...as in "I serve your media") would be pretty sweet, but Apple would be well behind MS on this one. I bet a slightly beefed-up Time Capsule could do it nicely.
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I think that would be kinda cool. I think instead of a Time Capsule, use a beefed up Mac Mini/:apple:TV combo device, or, even better, dare I say it?, a mini-tower? And maybe a 10-client version of Mac OS X Server. Very few families have more than 10 people, unless you count extended families. I've heard that the client version of OS X has all the server functionality, Server just adds pretty GUI interfaces.

One thing I kinda wish the xServe (and any other server Apple may announce) would have is a TCP offloading engine. This might help in server clusters or something.
 
summer days are here...

Summer is around the corner. Those not familiar with Carbon have some homework to do. It seems that we may be able to write our own blog/any-other app and run it in the iphone. Nice indeed.

Anticipation is a great marketing tool. As for me, I am looking forward to summer. :)
 
That blogging question had an interesting answer that leads me to believe the apps will be fairly open, since he's saying go ahead and make your own personal app if Apple doesn't make one.

Good news if I'm reading into it right!

Honestly I don't really miss flash at all, I thought I would, but I only miss videos like surfthechannel and stuff like that, the games would be nice, but there mostly lame anyway.

I've been pretty happy with my iPod Touch, and it's met my fairly high expectations, if only there was a really decent AIM app I'd be using it (By decent I mean all I want is something that doesn't time out like the web app ones, and ones that have sound and notifications unlike Apollo and Mobilechat)

Hopefully the SDK brings this.
 
I am not trying to convince you – and games certainly aren't a reason to introduce flash. Buy a Sony PSP instead.

However, there already _are_ loads of sites out there that have flash to the extent that you won't even be able to go there without it.
Many sites, especially "high-class design" sites use flash ad nauseum. And although I hate it, some of these sites are often necessary for me to enter in order to research. Without flash, it's not a "full web browser".
Now, if apple were the first, and they somehow got to set the standards, it would be an entirely different scenario. But as it is, they're behind the times on more than one point, playing catch-up, and they're far from large enough to dictate how the web works. Hell, even Microsoft isn't big enough (close, but no cigar).
 
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