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[Mac 128]

Check out this Rip Curl GPS watch which is 17mm (about 30% larger than the Samsung S2 3G) it looks absolutely massive (pic below)

Isn't perspective fascinating? The exact same watch looks positively tiny in this photo:

If you're going to make these kinds of arguments, you could at least be intellectually honest about it.

 

[69Mustang]

I agree. People who don't wear an Apple Watch every day don't understand. Hell, I didn't understand until I bought it and used it for a week. Now I can't go a day without wearing it, just like my phone. I consider it a personal assistant right there on my wrist.
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3mm is a huge difference on a small item like a watch. The 4mm difference in screen size for the 38mm and 42mm Apple watch sounds like not much. But it is a huge difference when its on your wrist.

Check out this Rip Curl GPS watch which is 17mm (about 30% larger than the Samsung S2 3G) it looks absolutely massive (pic below)

here is a pic of the Samsung S2 3G. It looks VERY THICK. Much thicker than the Apple WAtch. And keep in mind this watch gets horrible battery life. So for it to get similiar battery life as the Apple WAtch it would have to be even THICKER.

You are saying why would Apple have to make the Watch 30% thinner? I'm saying to get the same battery life as now they would need to make all the other components 30% thinner to fit a larger battery and Cell/GPS radio. It isn't that easy at all. And I'm not even sure its possible on a $299 device. Don't forget there are also big royalties to pay for any device that runs LTE/3G. About 4% of the sales price. That's why an LTE iPad cost $130 more than Wifi.

Relativity. I wear chronographs. 14 mm is not uncommon. The thinnest and smallest by far is my "I don't care what happens to it" Citizen Calibre 8700. Most are larger, and to borrow some of your hyperbole, waaay thicker.

 

[Mac 128]

Please post links to those Rip Curl specs. Make sure its the 3G version.

You go find them yourself, while you're posting links to your own claims. This isn't my argument. It's yours. I'm just pointing out your intellectual dishonesty. And while you're at it, please post your engineering degree, so we understand the technical background that enable you to make all of these claims.

 

[warrior2000]

Isn't perspective fascinating? The exact same watch looks positively tiny in this photo:

If you're going to make these kinds of arguments, you could at least be intellectually honest about it.

I'm talking about thickness and you show a photo that hides the thickness of the device.

And why the hell are you comparing a full fledged mini-computer like an AppleWatch to a single purpose device like a surf watch?

Again show me another full featured smartwatch that has a GPS/Cell radio and is as thin/small and as good battery life as the Apple Watch.

My whole argument is its not possible RIGHT NOW for Apple to include a GPS/Cell radio in the Apple watch and keep the case the same size and have the same battery life. In 2 or 3 years probably they can, but not now. Especially not at the $299 price point.

 

[Futurix]

I really want to like this thing. I really like the design and I feel like a "grownup" when I wear it. I've owned and returned it on 4 different occasions.

The app screen is cluttered garbage and hard to use and I never could figure out how to activate the watch faces or find the mickey mouse face. Without that, the thing even failed as a simple watch - it always started up on different screens and I'd have to spend 10 - 20 seconds and lots of swipes to get it back to the home screen which only had the time displayed in tiny fonts in a small corner. I think apps on this tiny screen are pointless and the Pay functions always disappointing as I had to twist my arm in weird directions to get all the stationary scanners to read the bar codes. The screen was too small to read notifications. In most situations I would give up and just use my phone anyway.

I know if I read the manual or watched the online tutorials figuring out the navigation and functions would be "easy." But at the end of the day it is a WATCH and should be intuitive and simple to use. It fails spectacularly. I shouldn't have to read user manuals and watch online videos to use it. Again, design and color options are fantastic, but yeah...

This is hilarious!
I really hope it's a joke post

Otherwise I'm guessing you cannot use iPhones because they lack rotary dial or Macs because you couldn't find holes to insert the paper in.

 

[warrior2000]

You go find them yourself, while you're posting links to your own claims. This isn't my argument. It's yours. I'm just pointing out your intellectual dishonesty. And while you're at it, please post your engineering degree, so we understand the technical background that enable you to make all of these claims.

Even with your quote of 15mm its still 50% larger than the Apple watch.

Again show me a single smartwatch that:

1. Has a GPS/Cell radio
2. Is as small or smaller than the AppleWatch
3. Has just as good battery life
4. Is about $300-$400

Sure the RipCurl has GPS. But it isn't a smartwatch. Its missing dozens of parts a smartwatch has to have.

Sure the Samsung S2 3G has a cell radio. But its thicker and has horrible battery life.

Again if its so easy for Apple to just stick in a GPS/Cell radio without compromising battery life or case size why isn't anyone else able to do it?

Show me a single example. Waiting.

 

[Mac 128]

I'm talking about thickness and you show a photo that hides the thickness of the device.

And why the hell are you comparing a full fledged mini-computer like an AppleWatch to a single purpose device like a surf watch?

Again show me another full featured smartwatch that has a GPS/Cell radio and is as thin/small and as good battery life as the Apple Watch.

My whole argument is its not possible RIGHT NOW for Apple to include a GPS/Cell radio in the Apple watch and keep the case the same size and have the same battery life. In 2 or 3 years probably they can, but not now. Especially not at the $299 price point.

Look how thick this Watch is!

The Rip Curl doesn't look so thick in this picture. ;-)

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Even with your quote of 15mm its still 50% larger than the Apple watch.

Again show me a single smartwatch that:

1. Has a GPS/Cell radio
2. Is as small or smaller than the AppleWatch
3. Has just as good battery life
4. Is about $300-$400

Sure the RipCurl has GPS. But it isn't a smartwatch. Its missing dozens of parts a smartwatch has to have.

Sure the Samsung S2 3G has a cell radio. But its thicker and has horrible battery life.

Again if its so easy for Apple to just stick in a GPS/Cell radio without compromising battery life or case size why isn't anyone else able to do it?

Show me a single example. Waiting.

Right. Why wasn't anybody else doing GUI before the Mac. Why wasn't anybody else doing the iPhone until Apple introduced it. I didn't realize Samsung and the others were now the standard bearer for what Apple is capable of doing.

Your arguments don't make any sense. When you post your engineering degree that backs up all these claims, maybe I'll start doing your legwork for you. But until then, I'm done with this silly debate.

 

[warrior2000]

Look how thick this Watch is!

The Rip Curl doesn't look so thick in this picture.

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Right. Why wasn't anybody else doing GUI before the Mac. Why wasn't anybody else doing the iPhone until Apple introduced it.

Your arguments don't make any sense. When you post your engineering degree that backs up all these claims, maybe I'll start doing your legwork for you. But until then, I'm done with this silly debate.

Dude. At least post a picture that shows the RipCurl watch closer. That picture has the rip curl a mile away and half covered by the surfer. You are making yourself look bad. I posted a picture of the RipCurl and S2 to show its thickness. Those are not misleading photo graphs. Most here are aware of how the Apple Watch thickness looks like already.

And why the hell are you comparing a single feature watch like the RipCurl to a full featured Apple Watch? Just stop.

So your reasoning is Apple can do anything with no regard to basic physics? Give me a break. Samsung is an elite hardware maker and even they can't fit a GPS/LTE radio in a decent sized smartphone and get good battery life.

And I'm not asking you to do any legwork. Just a simple google search. Find me a single smartwatch with GPS/Cell radio that has the same battery life and as small form factor as the Apple Watch. There isn't any. Its a technical hurdle at this time.

You keep yelling that Apple can do it. Apple can do it. Apple can do it. Yet provide ZERO proof that its even possible at a $300 price point.

My proof that they can't is every single 3G smartwatch on the market is either much larger or has crappy battery life. Batteries, battery life, and 3G radios are not high tech. Its basic electronics. There are physical limitations. This is just like expecting an iPhone to have 5 day battery life.

 

[twocents]

Dang! I didn't realize that it's been over a year now since I ordered mine. I admit when people ask what my thoughts are on Apple Watches that it isn't a must-have like an iPhone, but it definitely is convenient and I'm always wearing it unless its charging. But then I still miss having it on my wrist, so Apple must be doing something right

 

[BlueMoon63]

I wear mine 23/7.
I charge it when I'm getting ready for bed and put it back on to run a sleep app (I usually read in bed so most times it gets fully charged). Put it on to sleep. Put it back on the charger in the morning to top it off while I'm getting ready (before I put it back on the charger I set a timer based on when I think it'll be full [1.3 minutes per percent] so I don't have to keep checking it AND so I don't forget it).

Even if it lasted 3 days, I'd still probably charge it ever night (because I'd forget to charge it every third night).
I probably wouldn't charge it in the morning if that were the case, but still.

Gary

You have the same routine as me. I typically end the day with 60% of the battery left so I charge for an hour before bed and then wear it for the silent alarm each morning and to track my sleep. I usually wake with about 93% battery left and do an hour workout and put it on the charger by my sink while I shower and get ready. If I have a extra sweaty workout, I wear it in the shower to clean.

The Apple Watch is by far the best all around smartwatch and the next gen's will only make it even better. Apple always has the best products for quality and customer satisfaction. No surprise that they have grown to the largest company in the world in the last five years. Quality brings people back and pay a premium because of the great quality over all other companies.

 

[warrior2000]

You have the same routine as me. I typically end the day with 60% of the battery left so I charge for an hour before bed and then wear it for the silent alarm each morning and to track my sleep. I usually wake with about 93% battery left and do an hour workout and put it on the charger by my sink while I shower and get ready. If I have a extra sweaty workout, I wear it in the shower to clean.

The Apple Watch is by far the best all around smartwatch and the next gen's will only make it even better. Apple always has the best products for quality and customer satisfaction. No surprise that they have grown to the largest company in the world in the last five years. Quality brings people back and pay a premium because of the great quality over all other companies.

The silent alarm sounds cool. My wife hates my noisy alarm.

Do you ever sleep through the alarm? Or does it keep buzzing till you wake up?

 

[StyxMaker]

I can't wait to see the day when a company lives up to its promise of the all the inners being produced and fab. by the same company who sells them to us.

What company makes, or has made, that promise?

 

[ladytonya]

That round thing looks like my Swatch circa-1986! LOL! I'm sorry but the  Watch is just more flattering and looks more like an adult watch than other wearable tech that I have seen around town.

How can the tech not be ready when it's already being done? You're wrong about pretty much everything in this quote. Need huge size. Wrong. Have crappy display. Wrong Bad battery life. Wrong. Need bigger battery. Wrong

Has GPS and Cellular radios. Not huge. Screen not crappy. Approx 2 day battery life. Approx same size battery as the Apple watch: 250mAh

edit: Picture is of thinner S2, not the S2 3G. Battery life stat is also from regular S2. I inadvertently mixed info from different sources. Apologies for the misrepresentation.

 

[Boatboy24]

I have been using mine in the water since launch. Pool, Shower, Ocean, etc.

I'm just too scared.

I give it a good rinse after a workout, but that's as far as I've gotten.

 

[69Mustang]

That round thing looks like my Swatch circa-1986! LOL! I'm sorry but the  Watch is just more flattering and looks more like an adult watch than other wearable tech that I have seen around town.

You may have responded to the wrong quote. We were discussing tech specs, not how pretty it is or isn't.

 

[StyxMaker]

Third party apps on the iPhone OS1 - I'm sure you knew that.

Watch is laggy and sluggish across the board. It is crap. and that is the same feedback I get from a wide range of users.

The original iPhone did not have third party apps. There were 'web apps' that were nothing more than links to a web site, but no installed third party apps. Jobs didn't think they were needed, he was of the opinion that web apps would take care of all the applications iPhone users needed.

 

[mattopotamus]

I'm just too scared.

I give it a good rinse after a workout, but that's as far as I've gotten.

Since they gave the watch a rating of IPX7 they have to honor pretty much any water damage claim.

"exposure to water of up to 1 meter for up to 30 minutes". I have never taken the watch deeper than 3 feet, but showers, pools, and oceans with normal usage is within that scope.

 

[Someirishguy]

facetime camera to film your nose holes from down below while you receiving a call?

If apple do put a camera on the watch, I think it will (should) be for eye tracking. That way the watch would know when you're looking at it and turn on the display. I remember reading something about apple patenting some eye tracking technology a while back

 

[StyxMaker]

If apple do put a camera on the watch, I think it will (should) be for eye tracking. That way the watch would know when you're looking at it and turn on the display. I remember reading something about apple patenting some eye tracking technology a while back

You're assuming that always on eye tracking technology will not use more power than the screen.

 

[warrior2000]

If apple do put a camera on the watch, I think it will (should) be for eye tracking. That way the watch would know when you're looking at it and turn on the display. I remember reading something about apple patenting some eye tracking technology a while back

eye tracking would take a ton of battery life for it to work. Basically the camera needs to be on 24/7.

I don't have any problem with my watch face turning on. The key is to rotate your wrist with some acceleration. It turns on 99.9% of the time. This is true even if the watch is less than parallel to the floor. Its about turning your wrist with a small amount of force.

 

[orbital~debris]

Oh I don't know. Probably because this is an American publication covering an American company. Stop being butthurt over nonsensical issues.

But it isn't nonsensical - your reasons don't stand up when you consider that this American company makes a great deal of its profits outside of America and employs people all over the planet… making it a global company.

Also, it would be more inclusive to the "broad audience" MacRumors attracts if articles were to not assume the reader is American.

 

[Arminnn89]

i cant imagine how i would feel if i bought 14000$ watch which is out of fashin in 2 years

 

[Mac 128]

If apple do put a camera on the watch, I think it will (should) be for eye tracking. That way the watch would know when you're looking at it and turn on the display. I remember reading something about apple patenting some eye tracking technology a while back

Yes, I think that's a significant possibility. Especially for watching eyes so that it no longer has to rely on a primitive pre-set backlight timer, and will stay on as long as you need it to. But there's dozens of things a camera could do. Eventually, that patent you refer to I believe mentioned an AI using it to detect facial expressions to asses mood, and positive and negative reactions to AI performance, or even non-verbal communication.

You're assuming that always on eye tracking technology will not use more power than the screen.

It won't be always on.

 

[bambooshots]

i cant imagine how i would feel if i bought 14000$ watch which is out of fashin in 2 years

That's because you're not wealthy. The ones who buy $14,000-$17,000 watches don't blink an eye at those purchases.

There are those who COLLECT Patek Phillipe watches. Six figures plus each.

 

[ladytonya]

You may have responded to the wrong quote. We were discussing tech specs, not how pretty it is or isn't.

No, I promise I'm responding to the right quote. Part of wearable tech is its appearance. Is it something that I want to wear every day or is it something that I will only wear with certain things, while working out, etc. In addition to the internals of a device I also look at the "externals", 99% of which is appearance.