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More Suppliers Secure Apple Watch 2 Orders as Launch Inches Closer

69Mustang said:
This entire post is super funny. You do realize there are several smartwatches that have GPS built in already. There are also smartwatches that have both GPS and cellular connectivity. Tech not ready for another 3 years? Come on man.

That bolded part is... absolutely incredible. Buy a watch and then some screens. :confused: How is carrying dumb screens any different than carrying a, oh I don't know... a phone?
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Those watches that have GPS/Cell radio are either SUPER HUGE or have crappy displays compared to the AppleWatch. Bottom line is the tech isn't ready to jam a GPS/Cell Radio into the current Apple Watch case and get the same battery life. The case either needs to get much bigger or battery life will suffer. A bigger battery would be needed to run a GPS/Cell radio.

Why would you want to carry a dumb screen? The whole purpose is you have a choice. A stand alone Watch with LTE would not need a screen. But if you needed a screen you could carry one. Plus you could buy two sizes of screens. Say a 4 inch and 6 inch. You choose what screen you want to bring on which day. Plus these screens would be much lighter and much thinner than a phone because they won't have all the internals of a smartphone.

But this is only a stopgap. The real end game is for the watch to have a holographic display so no physical screen is needed. But that is a good 10 year away.

Its all about having vision. If you can't see that the market will be switching from smartphone to wearable as the primary personal computing device then I can't help you. But it is going to happen within the next 10 years.
 
Mac 128 said:
How is that any different than taking a FaceTime call on an iPhone currently?
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My elbows are at my sides, or I have the phone on my desk. Now that you bring that up, Apple can make it so that the camera is "rotatable" via software so I can have my elbows by my side as I do the call. Had to think outside the box of how I envisioned the usage past what I was thinking.
 
I can't wait to see the day when a company lives up to its promise of the all the inners being produced and fab. by the same company who sells them to us.
 
In 3-5 years: Standalone AppleWatch with LTE radio. Can replace you iPhone. Optional 4, 5, 6, 7 inch monitor screens are available to use with the Watch. Screens will cost $150 each and you can choose with size you want on a particular day. Even possible the screens are foldable since they have way less internals than a phone.

In 4-7 years: Foldable iPhones

In 8-10 years: AppleWatch with holographic screens

The evolution of computing devices is smaller and more personal. Its pretty obvious to me that the wearable will replace the smartphone as the defacto personal computing device in the next decade.

People can whine all they want about the AppleWatch but 10 years from now it will be look upon as a game changing device just like the iPhone.
 
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WordsmithMR said:
The only thing I want from an Apple Watch 2 is the Face Time camera.
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If I were making a list of features to be added, that would be at the very bottom if it even made the list at all. I'm honestly surprised some seem to want it. To each their own though.


smacrumon said:
REMOVE THE DIGITAL CROWN! And instead use touch based input on the side or touch based input built into the side button.
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No, I think some sort of physical button is necessary. Especially for active/fitness use where touch doesn't work in wet conditions.



GPS would be nice. Less reliability on the phone as well. Size is fine and I'd rather have more battery. And for the love of god, can we get some more watch faces if not a watch face type of store? The selection as is, is paltry, and the custom picture face is a joke. Of all things, I would have thought this would be the easiest and cheapest to implement.
 
lol - with the rabid pro :apple:Watch stance and completely befuddled view of future tech, I am convinced warrior2000 is Tim Cook.

BTW - :apple:Watch. Worst Apple hardware release since the Newton? It is crap, with a capital crap.
 
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warrior2000 said:
GPS is worthless without a cell radio.
With just GPS it would take 5 minutes+ to find a signal. Thats why it would need a cell radio to have a usable GPS.

So do you really want to stuff a GPS+Cell Radio in the watch?
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Yep. The LG Urbane did it.

Once apple is satisfied with the battery in this device (not this year, but next year, would be my guess), they will do the same.
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dan110 said:
If there most popular product is called an "iPhone", why didn't they brand their watch an, "iWatch"? The current names are somewhat confusing.
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I think they actually had an issue with that name already being taken. If I remember correctly there was a rumor about that like 3 years ago. Probably similar circumstances going down with :apple:Music, but it could also be choice. If you lump those two together though you could say that they're naming all their failure products starting with the :apple: ;)
 
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ayale99 said:
Launching the Apple Watch 2 with the iPhone 7 doesn't seem like a great strategy. I don't think consumers will want to buy two expensive new Apple toys at the same time.
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Ordinarily, I would agree. However, the majority of people do not 'buy' their phone outright, but instead pay monthly instalments as part of a contract with their network. For example, I will likely still be paying the same £60 a month for my phone contract, apart from a small upfront cost for the phone, usually around £150. (This year might be different, if Apple bring that yearly upgrade thing to the UK but that's besides the point) I plan on getting a new Apple Watch providing it is different enough to the current model.
 
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The steps to making a wearable the new personal computing device (replacing the smartphone)

#1 Make it socially acceptable. Make it look nice. This is where Google Glass failed. People did not accept the Glass as social acceptable but rather a pariah. Apple has done an excellent job of making the Watch socially acceptable.

#2 Slowly increase functionality and independence from iPhone. This will take 3 years. This is not easy. Especially at the very diminutive size of the device. Apple could make the Watch much bigger and quickly add functionality and throw in an LTE radio but that would violate the first step: socially acceptable. Having a massive smartwatch on your wrist is not socially acceptable at this point.

#3 Break free completely from the iPhone. Become a standalone device. Huge step. Probably will happen in 3-4 years where components can shrink enough to fit an LTE radio/GPS/more flash in the same size or smaller case.

#4 Leap in display technology. Foldable 'dumb' screens and holographic screens from the Watch case itself. At that point the Watch will overtake the Phone in useability and portability.

#5 Incremental improvements. This is where the iPhone is now. The Watch may get bigger (because wearing a watch is now socially acceptable). We saw the same thing with smartphones. The bigger phones only came out when smartphones were very mainstream.

#6 Giving way to the next form factor. Not sure what this will be. IMO, it will probably be some type of eye wearable.

Bottom line is personal computing is always about getting more personal (closer to the person and his senses) and portable. The AppleWatch is clearly the future of the Apple brand.
 
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handsome pete said:
If I were making a list of features to be added, that would be at the very bottom if it even made the list at all. I'm honestly surprised some seem to want it. To each their own though.
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Apple is pro selfie. I see the FaceTime camera more as a spontaneous selfie tool than for making video calls. There is a place for video calls, just like there is for making phone calls over the watch -- the highest power drain a person can make on the Watch. But the concept is the same -- convenience. When a FaceTime call comes in, you can take it and dismiss it quickly, or you can take it while you go find your phone. And did you see Tim Cooks eyes glaze over as he waxed nostalgic over the Dick Tracy watch features? That's reason enough -- it's just a cool feature that will help drive sales whether anybody uses it or not.

handsome pete said:
GPS would be nice. Less reliability on the phone as well.
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There's no reason not to include it. Most criticisms center on battery life which is a non-starter because it doesn't have to be always on. My dog has a GPS collar that lasts a week on a single charge. There's a rip curl surf watch that lasts 10 hours of continuous GPS (making continuous calls on the watch will max out at 3 hours). All things considered I'd rather have it than not.
 
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Max Portakabin said:
lol - with the rabid pro :apple:Watch stance and completely befuddled view of future tech, I am convinced warrior2000 is Tim Cook.

BTW - :apple:Watch. Worst Apple hardware release since the Newton? It is crap, with a capital crap.
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I'll be laughing at this comment in 5 years.
Same way I laugh at the comments of people trashing the original iPhone in 2007.

I'm putting this in a vault for 2021.

what can I say? Some people have vision, some don't.
 
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Mac 128 said:
Apple is pro selfie. I see the FaceTime camera more as a spontaneous selfie tool than for making video calls. There is a place for video calls, just like there is for making phone calls over the watch -- the highest power drain a person can make on the Watch. But the concept is the same -- convenience. When a FaceTime call comes in, you can take it and dismiss it quickly, or you can take it while you go find your phone. And did you see Tim Cooks eyes glaze over as he waxed nostalgic over the Dick Tracy watch features? That's reason enough -- it's just a cool feature that will help drive sales whether anybody uses it or not.



There's no reason not to include it. Most criticisms center on battery life which is a non-starter because it doesn't have to be always on. My dog has a GPS collar that lasts a week on a single charge. There's a rip curl surf watch that lasts 10 hours of continuous GPS (making continuous calls on the watch will max out at 3 hours). All things considered I'd rather have it than not.
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Dude. That Rip Curl watch has a MASSIVE face of 47mm. Plus its 70% THICKER than the biggest Apple watch. Add to the fact that it has a mono color screen, no taptic engine, and a much smaller CPU, no force touch, digital crown, ect.

So you want to stuff all that plus more in an Apple Watch case that is 70% smaller? LOL.
 
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ayale99 said:
Launching the Apple Watch 2 with the iPhone 7 doesn't seem like a great strategy. I don't think consumers will want to buy two expensive new Apple toys at the same time.
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What are you talking about? That's too logical. Apple loves releasing iPhones, iPads, iOS, and OSX all in the same window of a month or so. Usually followed up by a Macbook/Pro and iMac release.

Seriously, some falls Apple refreshed all of it's products and software in a two month window. I'm not sure they've heard on staggered releases. Plus many get PO'd because they can't tell if their new hardware has issues or if it's the new software.

Sometimes I really don't get Apple's logic with their release cycles.
 
cableguy84 said:
Ok so if i fly long haul this thing is gonna die before i even get to the hotel. Or if i stay at a relatives house it will be dead before the morning.
Sorry, not acceptable
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Does your family not have an outlet? Will your phone be dead as well? My phone 6S+ dies before my watch. Unless there is some crazy activity hat you're doing with your watch gay I'm not aware of...
 
warrior2000 said:
Those watches that have GPS/Cell radio are either SUPER HUGE or have crappy displays compared to the AppleWatch. Bottom line is the tech isn't ready to jam a GPS/Cell Radio into the current Apple Watch case and get the same battery life. The case either needs to get much bigger or battery life will suffer. A bigger battery would be needed to run a GPS/Cell radio.
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How can the tech not be ready when it's already being done? You're wrong about pretty much everything in this quote. Need huge size. Wrong. Have crappy display. Wrong Bad battery life. Wrong. Need bigger battery. Wrong
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Has GPS and Cellular radios. Not huge. Screen not crappy. Approx 2 day battery life. Approx same size battery as the Apple watch: 250mAh

edit: Picture is of thinner S2, not the S2 3G. Battery life stat is also from regular S2. I inadvertently mixed info from different sources. Apologies for the misrepresentation.
 
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warrior2000 said:
I'll be laughing at this comment in 5 years.
Same way I laugh at the comments of people trashing the original iPhone in 2007.

I'm putting this in a vault for 2021.

what can I say? Some people have vision, some don't.
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You do that, Tim.

I'm talking about what it is now. Was the original iPhone as laggy and sluggish? Nope.

:apple:Watch basically everything wrong with post-Jobs Apple in one device.
 
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warrior2000 said:
The original iPhone didn't even have Apps.
The Watch is laggy only when using Apps.

Those who worry about only NOW have no vision.
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Third party apps on the iPhone OS1 - I'm sure you knew that.

:apple:Watch is laggy and sluggish across the board. It is crap. and that is the same feedback I get from a wide range of users.
 
Mac 128 said:
Apple is pro selfie. I see the FaceTime camera more as a spontaneous selfie tool than for making video calls.
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And here's me showing my age, but the selfie phenomenon is dumb. Not to mention, are you really going to get a decent shot from your arm sticking about 2 or so feet from your body?

Mac 128 said:
And did you see Tim Cooks eyes glaze over as he waxed nostalgic over the Dick Tracy watch features? That's reason enough -- it's just a cool feature that will help drive sales whether anybody uses it or not.
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Having the feature isn't bad. I just don't want it to be added in at the expense of something more worthwhile. I think the Dick Tracy nostalgia is dumb too (Cook talking about it, Samsung commercials, etc.). The Dick Tracy watch phone is a product of its time. Before cell phones.
 
69Mustang said:
How can the tech not be ready when it's already being done? You're wrong about pretty much everything in this quote. Need huge size. Wrong. Have crappy display. Wrong Bad battery life. Wrong. Need bigger battery. Wrong
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Has GPS and Cellular radios. Not huge. Screen not crappy. Approx 2 day battery life. Approx same size battery as the Apple watch: 250mAh
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Could you at least read the reviews before you make grand statements?
The Samsung S2 3G has horrible battery life when the cell radio is used.
Nice job of showing a picture of the none 3G watch which is much thinner also.

http://www.cnet.com/products/samsung-gear-s2-3g/

"It's more expensive, requires a connected data plan to pair with, and runs out of battery life quickly on cellular. It's bulkier, too."

"But it's also really thick. It felt OK on my wrist, but anyone who prefers smaller watches or bands might object."

"I didn't mention battery life, but it's not great. It has about three or fours of active use, or a day (or less) of regular standby use with cellular turned on. It ran out of juice on my wrist by early evening, most days, and I wasn't using it much. It charges via a wireless cradle that's included."


THREE OR FOURS HOURS OF ACTIVE USE. LESS THAN ONE DAY OF USE WITH CELLULAR TURNED ON STANDBY.

PLUS THE WATCH IS ABOUT 30% THICKER THAN THE LARGEST APPLE WATCH, WITH A SMALLER USABLE SCREEN SIZE.

Like I said the tech isn't ready for a 3G smartwatch with equal battery life as the current AppleWatch in the same size case. Sure you can fit it in a much bigger case or sacrifice full day battery life. But most people want full day battery life and don't want to wear a massively thick watch on their wrist.
 
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