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Motorola 1.5GHz G4... G4 PowerBooks?

this blows. there will be atleast one more g4 upgrade in the pb line, if not two. which in itself is pretty stupid, because in day-to-day usage, i'd never know the performance difference from 1.33 to 1.5 ghz, but they gotta have upgrades for sales. just gimmie a g5 pb 17... please.
 
Originally posted by Bear
your overclokcing comment, why do you and a whole hoard of other people insist that all the Motorola G4s above 1GHz are overclocked?
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Because Apple/Moto has had to do this on a few of the 74xx chips, the 1.42 G4 PM was actually widely known to be a 1.25 overclocked... that IS a fact jack. There was, as I recall, two others, I think the 533 was a 500 and the 733 was a (forgets). Admittedly, it's not like every G4 was overclocked, but certain ones, and the last G4 before the G5 was definitely overclocked for the numbers.

But you're right, why get worked up over it, all those piece of sh** chips that have come out of Intel are really overclocked pieces of garbage, sucking the life out of outdated architecture to fulfill the MHz myth peecee chumps who brag about getting a 3.47 chip over 3.45 and "oh it's so much faster." Morons.
 
Originally posted by andyduncan
6 months, 90 Mhz, 2 watts.

Good to see MSG being productive.

Apart from IBMs numbers, how do these chips REALLY compare to the 970fx? If the numbers quoted by IBM are based on having PowerTune turned ON, and these numbers are BEFORE the speedstep tech is used, then are the G4s actually lower power in the real world?
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90 MHz? The current powerbooks top out at 1.33GHz. That is an upgrade of 167MHz. Be happy with the new G4 powerbooks. If they include L3 cache they will be a nice improvement over the current models. I'm willing to bet they'll probably be cheaper than the current models. Also that the high end 17 and 15 inch will have the Ati Mobility Radeon 9700.

12inch: $1499 and $1699 (1.25GHZ)
15inch:$1799 and $2399 (1.33 and 1.5GHz)
17inch:$2699 (1.5Ghz)

You heard it first.
 
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Re: Re: Re: Motorola 1.5GHz G4... G4 PowerBooks?

Originally posted by hvfsl
The G5 has longer pipelines than the G4 (more pipelines makes it easier to increase the Ghz, like with the P4). But longer pipleines also generate more heat.
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And thus the G4 is more powerful, clock for clock, than the G5. This is why, despite much better FSB, architecture and the rest, a G5 1.2GHz would not be as good as a 1.5GHz G4 in a PowerBook, power wise. The only advantage would be a marketing one.

Now, however, with the 970FX, we are starting to see the G5 at clockspeeds of around 2GHz being more viable in a PowerBook. However, supply issues and other things may also influence when the PB goes G5.

And, I'm afraid these G4 chips have just surfaced at the right time for Apple, or the wrong time for everyone else.
 
Originally posted by a17inchFuture
I completely disagree with that. In fact, I would be willing to bet my left testicle that you are not only wrong, but mislead in your beliefs.
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Come on, let's try to be civil here.

I, for one, certainly wish the PowerBook G5s would come out soon. But I'm not too optimistic about it.

Chew on this: The Power Mac G4 was introduced in September of 1999. The PowerBook G4 didn't come out until January of 2001. That's sixteen months lag (if my math is right) between the processor coming out in a desktop and it finally making it into a notebook. (I got the dates from Apple-History.com)

I'm no expert, I wasn't even a Mac user until August 2001 so I wasn't following these things then, but long delays between desktops and notebooks with a new processor is not unheard of or unreasonable.

I seem to recall that it took a while to get Pentium 4's into notebooks too.

Anything is possible ... but it's certainly reasonable for somebody to assume it might still be a while before we have our PowerBook G5s.
 
Originally posted by invaLPsion
90 MHz? The current powerbooks top out at 1.33GHz. That is an upgrade of 167MHz. Be happy with the new G4 powerbooks. If they include L# cache they will be a nice improvement over the current models. I'm willing to be they'll probably be cheaper than the current models.

12inch: $1499 and $1699 (1.25GHZ)
15inch:$1799 and $2399 (1.33 and 1.5GHz)
17inch:$2699 (1.5Ghz)

You heard it first.
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Rampant speculation. And 1.42GHz - 1.33GHz is 90mhz. They didn't list a wattage for a 1.5, which is why I compared the 1.42 and 1.33. Actually, since I posted it, the reg has updated their story with a 20w figure for the 1.42, making it 6months, 90mhz and 1.3w.

Even at 1.5ghz, that's only a 13% improvement, and a likely increase in wattage as well. I guess it's better than 50mhz over 18 months like MSG used to pull, but whatever.

Where do you come up with the idea they'll have L3 cache anyway? A previous post? It's a 7447 variant after all.
 
Re: hmmm

Originally posted by starflyer
Ho Humm....give me a G3 with Altivec
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Have we even seen real evidence that this chip exists or is it s figment of MR collective imagination?
 
The article

It appears that the Register is adding pure speculation into the mix... as usual. They state that the new, lower power G4 will run at up to 1.5 Ghz... and that could give Apple more time to develop the G5 by adding one last G4 revision.

Nowhere does it state this is likely. It simply states that Apple could revamp one last time with a G4 if they chose to. They also mention that this chip will be in volume production in Q2 or Q3. Add it all up, and I think it's clear that the PowerBook G5 is as likely, based on this information, as a G4.

I think Apple's PowerBook line is pretty good. What can I say.
 
Originally posted by andyduncan
Rampant speculation. And 1.42GHz - 1.33GHz is 90mhz. They didn't list a wattage for a 1.5, which is why I compared the 1.42 and 1.33. Actually, since I posted it, the reg has updated their story with a 20w figure for the 1.42, making it 6months, 90mhz and 1.3w.

Even at 1.5ghz, that's only a 13% improvement, and a likely increase in wattage as well. I guess it's better than 50mhz over 18 months like MSG used to pull, but whatever.

Where do you come up with the idea they'll have L3 cache anyway? A previous post? It's a 7447 variant after all.
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Well we aren't going to see G5 powerbooks for sure this update. A powerbook update with those speeds and prices should be very popular with consumers. Except for the people who wanted G5 powerbooks on Macrumors.

In addition, I believe that we may not only see 1.5Ghz, but 1.533 GHz. That's a 200 mhz update. That is based on sources from MacOSRumors that predict a G4 update to the powerbooks within the next few weeks.
 
show me one article where the register has gotten something right between apple and motorola. I don't think one exists...
 
more memory

I'd like to have the G5 PB for the FSB and added memory.. a 1GHz G5 PB with 4 GB of memory would be pretty useful to me. A 12" with 1.25GB? that's just silly. The perm 256 on the board is silly. At least make it removable so i can get the full 2GB in there..

And please keep the "Just get the 17" dude!" posts. I want portability and power. If i have the money to spend, why shouldn't I be able to have that?? There are many of us that get the 12" because we actually use it as it was inteneted, to travel with, not because of cost considerations.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Motorola 1.5GHz G4... G4 PowerBooks?

Originally posted by johnnyjibbs
And thus the G4 is more powerful, clock for clock, than the G5. This is why, despite much better FSB, architecture and the rest, a G5 1.2GHz would not be as good as a 1.5GHz G4 in a PowerBook, power wise. The only advantage would be a marketing one.

Now, however, with the 970FX, we are starting to see the G5 at clockspeeds of around 2GHz being more viable in a PowerBook. However, supply issues and other things may also influence when the PB goes G5.

And, I'm afraid these G4 chips have just surfaced at the right time for Apple, or the wrong time for everyone else.
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But the G5 makes up for its bigger number of pipelines by having a much fast bus and other optimisations.

And for anyone that wants to know:
Old P4 (upto 3.2Ghz) 20 pipelines
New P4 (prescott) 30 pipelines
AMD 64 10 pipelines
G4 7-10 pipelines (depending on type of G4)
G5 12 pipelines
 
This rumor makes sense. Like it or not, G5 Powerbooks are a long ways off.

It actually kind of suprises me that people are expecting G5PB's so soon after the original G5 PowerMac was announced back in August. Its barely been 6 months! Putting a hot chip like the G5 into a small form factor like a PowerBook aint an easy task.

I'll take a 1.5 ghz G4 Powerbook. Its 50% faster than mine.

Despite the fantastic new relationship with IBM, dont forget that Apple is still Apple. ie: It takes a long time for them to release a new chip into a portable. Call it quality, call it laziness, whichever you prefer. But thats the way it is. They dont just slap stuff together to get it to market as fast as possible. They take their time, and do it right.
 
Originally posted by KLFloyd
I'm in a position where I'm going to HAVE to buy a new 12" laptop sometime in the next 6-8 months. I'm starting grad school in August and my 15" PB is on it's last legs. I'm probably not going to have the $ to buy a G5 if they come out in that time frame, but maybe I can get a G4 on close out?

Whatever happens, I hope it happens fast.
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OT: Why don't you get the basic iBook? You get a lot of computer for a grand. Use it for 12-18 months, then sell it and get the rev. B G5 Powerbooks.

Also, even if the G5 is coming to the PB, I don't see it fitting into the 12" form factor any time soon.
 
Register never right

I dare say the Register has never been right with Apple news or rumors. You have to wonder what their motivation is .

If VIA can produce a 64 bit motherboard,
then of course Apple can. But,what's interesting with AMD 64 bit laptops is the HUGE heat sink / fan / ducting going on.
And the short battery life.

http://www.ixbt-labs.com/articles2/amd-athlon64-m/index.html

Take a look at the pics.

I really think Apple should produce Both G4 and G5 laptops. I use my laptop mostly on my desk so I wouldn't mind a G5 now with a short battery life. For those that would the G4 would be more suitable.

- What are the cooling requirements of the AMD64 verses the 970?
- The 7447 doesn't support an L3 cache.
- AMD has a 1mb L2 cache, what about the 970?
 
Originally posted by a17inchFuture
I completely disagree with that. In fact, I would be willing to bet my left testicle that you are not only wrong, but mislead in your beliefs.

9 months to a year when they already have the chip (aka the BIG thing that was holding up the G5 powerbooks)? Are you crazy? Without a doubt, pbook g5 will not arrive any later than september, and thats a bit slow if you ask me.

As far as this rumor is concerned, I also dont think it makes sense to overclock a g4 to make it 1.5, when the g5 processor runs much cooler at the same speed. Especially when their consumers are so obviously ready for the G5. Apple has made its business out of pleasing consumers, so I don't think it will be G4 revisions. Also, as far as I am concerned, if someone asked me when powerbooks were due in November, and I thought they were going to be released in June, I would also say a long time. And as many people on these boards have pointed out, if anyone at apple said "we have g5 pbooks coming out in may", then the entire g4 pbook line would sufer huge sales loss up until that point. So, as far as I am concerned, that means nothing.



Okay, I'll tell you why everyone here says they are overclocked at 1.5: it was said because ITS TRUE! its just a fact, jack. Anyone who has been paying attention to Apple knows that. Just like anyone who has been following baseball would know that A-rod is now a yank (blech!) So, we "insist", because we all know it to be a fact.
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Hope you're not too attached to that left testicle. You state all your points with such confidence, but in reality, you have no idea. None of us do.

I believe the next Powerbook revision will include a ramped up G3 with AltiVec, but I'm not betting any testicles on it.

edit: Also, I'm sorry to say that you don't really understand the meaning of overclocked. A chip, when it is produced, is tested and rated at a certain speed. Newer chips commonly don't have all the kinks worked out in the production process and are rated accordingly. As the production line matures, small improvements are made and the results are chips classified to run at a higher speed. So while you think it is overclocked, you're wrong. Just because it keeps getting hotter and hotter doesn't mean it's overclocked, it just means it's rated higher. It may just be that it was poorly designed to begin with but I just don't know enough to say.
 
Correction: AMD64 is no Mobile chip

Wow. It consumes 85 watts, in a Laptop!
Is that a record or what?

It seems to me Apple should be able to come up with Some cooling solution for a G5 Now.
 
Re: more memory

Originally posted by Some_Big_Spoon
If i have the money to spend, why shouldn't I be able to have that??
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Umm, because the technology isnt quite there yet. I think thats what everyone here is forgetting.

Im glad you have the money to spend (because Im sure you're the only one) but if Apple is still working the bugs out, you aint gettin' it.

I hate it how everyone assumes that Apple has a warehouse full of G5 powerbooks, and just arent releasing them until the market is ready, or G4 Powerbook supplies have diminished. Truth is, there's probably only a handful of PBG5's at Cupertino, still in development stages, if that even. Trust me, they know better than you that people are willing to spend money on G5 Powerbooks, and they are working round the clock to get them ready.

So chill.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Motorola 1.5GHz G4... G4 PowerBooks?

Originally posted by hvfsl
But the G5 makes up for its bigger number of pipelines by having a much fast bus and other optimisations.

And for anyone that wants to know:
Old P4 (upto 3.2Ghz) 20 pipelines
New P4 (prescott) 30 pipelines
AMD 64 10 pipelines
G4 7-10 pipelines (depending on type of G4)
G5 12 pipelines
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Thanks for the informative post. I was going to post something similar, but you beat me to it :) One of the head engineers who designed the P4 lectured in my computer architecture class, and he was talking about the future of the P4 and how the pipeline can't actually get much deeper than it already has. One really interesting thing is how much work went into making the P4 mobiles... Apple really needs a dedicated power friendly mobile line of processors in their laptops.
 
If I could get a 15" 1.5 GHz PB for $2299 or so I'd be quite tempted since it seems to me that the G5 PBs are still some time away... I'd like to think that with at least 1 Gb of RAM I'd be able to live with and enjoy it for at least a few years....

The only concern I would have is that Apple would continue to support the G4--I've seen statements that new apps like iDVD and Garageband either won't work on a G3 or, if they do, very sluggishly. I think that is a portent of things to come--and to be frank I can't blame Apple at all for it.

While I'd obviously prefer a G5, an upgraded G4, especially if it has a real performance boost (as opposed to a "cosmetic" boost in GHz rating), would be OK. Not great, but OK. I'd much rather Apple take the time to get the G5 PBs right as opposed to getting them out quickly... And I say that as both a stockholder and a user.

Best,

Bob
 
G what?

Year of the Notebook!

Oh, that was 2003. Sorry guys, any substantially new powerbooks will have already come out last year; better hold on to your testicles.
 
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