Porchland said:
Seriously, this is the part that really confused me. At MWSF, SJ said the phone would be out in the spring. This isn't even close.
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Seriously, this is the part that really confused me. At MWSF, SJ said the phone would be out in the spring. This isn't even close.
Black Eyed Peas
In the 'metro'-newspaper of the 10th of februari 2005 an interview with the Black Eyed Peas was posted in which it was reported that some exclusive tracks of the group would be made available for the new generation of motorola.
This of course points out to the iTunes Music Store on motorola. Especially when you consider the promotional spots the BEP already have done for apple.
And didn't Steve Job's keynote show another phone? Can somebody place a screenshot please?
In the 'metro'-newspaper of the 10th of februari 2005 an interview with the Black Eyed Peas was posted in which it was reported that some exclusive tracks of the group would be made available for the new generation of motorola.
This of course points out to the iTunes Music Store on motorola. Especially when you consider the promotional spots the BEP already have done for apple.
And didn't Steve Job's keynote show another phone? Can somebody place a screenshot please?
What UMTS satellites? UMTS is a terrestrial standard , and requires a major hardware upgrade (need a W-CDMA air interface instead of the old TDMA one GSM uses) to the existing GSM cell basestations and network. That's why the rollout is so slow; there's a LOT of hardware to upgrade (read $$$), and it still has to interoperate with the existing networks. It's also why you won't see the CDMA providers (Verizon, Sprint, US Cellular, AllTel, etc.) switch to 3GSM; the 1XRTT and EV-DO upgrades are relatively minor and inexpensive by comparison (swapping out a couple of blades per basestation instead of replacing the whole transceiver system). That's why Verizon has already rolled out EV-DO (aka "Broadband Access" -- also DSL speeds) in 29 US cities. UMTS is coming to the US -- eventually -- but Cingular has to complete its AT&T network consolidation first before it can realistically think of launching UMTS on top of it.Bengt77 said:
Maybe you're thinking of the Iridium or Globalstar satellite phone systems, who's data speeds on a good day rival that of a slow dialup modem.
Never say never -- a GPS receiver antenna isn't much bigger, and the signal is on the order of -130dBm by the time it reaches the ground. By comparison, cell phone signal strength averages around -70dBm, and bottoms out around -105dBm. Signal wavelength has everything to do with antenna length (that, and GPS has a ton of error correction built into the system. It was originally designed for the military, after all).isgoed said:
What a horrid looking phone!
You'd expect an Apple joint venture to produce a phone with certain minimum design standards yes?
I wonder if Apple has only integrated iTunes with the phone, and not helped Motorola redesign the whole UI too to keep the uniformity of the user experience.
From what I've seen with the Motorola operating system, it needs a bit of rethinking. It really is lacking compared to other systems from Sony-Ericsson or Nokia.
Again, what a horrid looking phone. No innovative design whatsoever (excluding that click/scroll-wheel - if it is indeed one, and not a normal 5-directional pad).
You'd expect an Apple joint venture to produce a phone with certain minimum design standards yes?
I wonder if Apple has only integrated iTunes with the phone, and not helped Motorola redesign the whole UI too to keep the uniformity of the user experience.
From what I've seen with the Motorola operating system, it needs a bit of rethinking. It really is lacking compared to other systems from Sony-Ericsson or Nokia.
Again, what a horrid looking phone. No innovative design whatsoever (excluding that click/scroll-wheel - if it is indeed one, and not a normal 5-directional pad).
And then again, I presume that the data rate of phones (56k) or UMTS for that matter (380k) are way higher than GPS. Correct me if I wrong on that, because I don't know the data rate of GPS.Misplaced Mage said:
I don't know anything about GPS, but I presume they do operate on another frequency than telephones, so this alone would make them uncomparable. And GPS as it is has many satelites in LOW ORBIT, unlike the satelite phones which are in Geo Synchronis Orbit.
I keep my original statement that: It would NEVER be possible in this universe to have a telephone conversation over a satelite at 35800m with an antenna no bigger than 5cm.
Approximately 12-24 months, depending on the chipset, desired features, housing design, and availability of a reference design. It involves:corywoolf said:
- Building a hand-held computer that incorporates a somewhat high-power radio transmitter operating in high-density, licensed spectrum, at progressively higher and higher data rates as standards advance
- Doesn't interfere with other nearby devices (or itself)
- Won't bring any cell in the network down due to some incompatibility. The systems in use require a high degree of cooperation between handset and basestation to operate efficiently.
- Can locate itself within a few hundred feet or less (911 emergency call requirements in the US)
- Having documented proof of compliance to a slew of FCC (in the US), CE (in Europe), and industry regulations, and individual carrier requirements. Includes all safety requirements (audio levels, SAR, etc.)
- Will continue to meet those regulations and requirements over the expected life of the phone despite normal wear and tear, and over a range of environmental conditions.
- Updating or rewriting a usually unique operating system (though Symbian, Linux, and Window Mobile have been making inroads)
- Updating the factory test system to work with any new features and updated OS. And retooling for any new housing just to hold the phone for testing.
Lather. Rinse. Repeat.
Actually, the GPS satellites are in higher orbits (20,200km) than those used by either Iridium (780km) or Globalstar (1414km). All use "constellations" of dozens of satellites in low earth orbit in order to reduce the transmission power requirements (read, battery size and capacity for a telephone, and solar panel array size and launch costs for a satellite), and in the case of telephony, transmission lag (light speed delay) time. Calls are handed off from one satellite to another as they pass within line of site of the caller's position; you can think of it as mobile cell basestations (in orbit) travelling past a fixed user, rather than a mobile user travelling past fixed cell basestations. In fact, Iridium's name came from the system originally being designed to use 77 (the atomic number of iridium) satellites, subsequently reduced to 66 to reduce the cost.isgoed said:
GPS operates on the 2.4GHz band. Out-of-cal Bluetooth and 802.11 transmitters, and microwave ovens are a noise problem, as are steel-framed buildings (signal fading). This is not significantly higher than the 1.9GHz PCS band used by cell phones. Because GPS is a CDMA-based system very similar to that used by most North American and South Korean cellular carriers, CDMA phones frequently try to use a single tri-band (800MHz, 1.9GHz, 2.4GHz) antenna to pick up and partially process GPS signals for emergency location, though the compromises in antenna efficiency sometimes call for a separate antenna tuned specifically for GPS.
Power has everything to do with how far a signal will radiate before it drops below the level of noise (and thus, detection) due to the inverse square law. It has nothing to do with how long a dipole antenna needs to be to transmit the signal efficiently. An antenna longer than it needs to be is actually less efficient than a correctly sized, half-wave antenna. A dish can increase the gain of a received signal by intercepting more of it and focusing it at the actual dipole in the receiver horn at the expense of making the antenna far more directional. Ditto for transmitting with a dish, using a phased antenna array, or a comb filter. Use a powerful enough transmitter and you won't need any of those things in either the satellite or the mobile unit. You'll waste a HUGE amount of energy radiating the signal in almost every other direction (this is where dishes and arrays come into play, to direct the signal) and heating up the antenna due to the inevitable inefficiencies in coupling -- but you still won't need a longer antenna. And it just so happens that 5cm is the antenna length for a 10cm radio wave -- which falls smack in the super high frequency band used for space communications, and only slightly higher (~3GHz) than that used for GPS (2.4GHz).
You were saying?
Please go through the lectures here and this note. Some of us actually do (or work alongside those who do) this stuff for a living.
Stella said:
I hear you
I have been a long term shareholder in Nokia and have been to their headquarters in Espoo. They are a hec of a good company and do not need to bed with the devil to be successful!I have sent a strong message to Nokia's investor relations urging Apple support...I advise all to do the same.
By the way, I live less then 30 clics from the Stella Artois factory...D
I'd also recommend writing your cellular carrier. They have more and more say in the design and feature sets of the phones they buy (and then resell to you) every day. If a carrier wants to use MS codecs and DRM for an over the air music store it's setting up (or gets a share of the profits from), it's not going to buy a phone that only has iTunes in it.ScubaDuc said:I hear you
I have sent a strong message to Nokia's investor relations urging Apple support...I advise all to do the same.
By the way, I live less then 30 clics from the Stella Artois factory...D
The wheel is an interesting link to the iPod interface, but the color scheme is just not Apple worthy. Is this the Matrix phone or and iTunes phone? Glad to see Apple has finally licensed the AAC format to a third party device though. With a cap of 512mb on the phone, there's no real competition with iPod at all (except maybe the Shuffle). I expected this phone to be the Razor, which does have Apple style written all over it. Oh well.
Meh! How horrible! I was particular dismayed to read in the Nokia/M$ article by the BBC, that SonyEricsson would be doing "something similar" soon...
SE+Apple=Happy Hob
SE+Apple=Happy Hob
Gherkin said:
I agree and SD would be better but effectively its an iPod Shuffle in a phone with a wheel and screen interface. Not bad. Q3 is a bit long to wait.
nbs2 said:
You misunderstood. It says that moto will be continuing the super thin stylish idea pioneered by RAZR V3 into the PEBL V6 and SLVR V8
http://www.infosyncworld.com/news/n/5783.html
As for the rest of you, you seem to think that moto was going to build an ipod with a phone in it. HELL NO! Their designs look NOTHING like Apple's and there is no reason to think that this will change. Different companies have different aesthetic theories and practices. All this is, ALL IT EVER WAS, is a moto phone that can play aac + mp3, and probably access the music store. Further, this has sort of been said, but we won't see this phone in the USA for a LOOOOONG time, if ever. There is a VERY small population (any at all?) using 3G in the US, and by the time it is mainstream, this phone will be outdated, guaranteed. Yes, you could have it shipped when it comes out in Europe, but then you're paying for this device that does video conference calls...a total fantasy for US mobile users. It'll probably be $900+ sent from Europe with a vodafone brand on it....buy a new ipod and a new Sony handset instead...
not this time guys
hob said:Meh! How horrible! I was particular dismayed to read in the Nokia/M$ article by the BBC, that SonyEricsson would be doing "something similar" soon...
SE+Apple=Happy Hob
Many Sony-Ericsson and Nokia handsets are already capable of playing regular (non-iTMS) AAC files, and MP3 files. I just hope that continues to be the case in their future handsets.
Steve Jobs readily admits they came late to the scene with the iTunes/iPod combo, lets hope this time they are ahead of the curve of the next 'big thing' which is growing before our eyes; namely 3g mobile(cell)phones that integrate a range of digital applications into one unit.
After seeing Motorola's sad attempt at a 3g phone, with the realisation that Nokia is now in bed with Microsoft and the current leading style gurus of the mobile market SonyEricsson are developing their own solutions, I sincerely hope Apple do decide to either come out with an in-House developed solution or partner their industrial design team with an existing player...and soon.
Whether they are prepared to do so while 3g penetration in their home market is still low is open to debate of course...we can but hope.
Vanilla
After seeing Motorola's sad attempt at a 3g phone, with the realisation that Nokia is now in bed with Microsoft and the current leading style gurus of the mobile market SonyEricsson are developing their own solutions, I sincerely hope Apple do decide to either come out with an in-House developed solution or partner their industrial design team with an existing player...and soon.
Whether they are prepared to do so while 3g penetration in their home market is still low is open to debate of course...we can but hope.
Vanilla
I wonder if it has iSync support. I'm considering a Motorola A1000 - because it's free with '3' - but it won't iSync, although rumours say Tiger may put that right.
Still no word as to whether or not you can buy from the iTunes Music Store via the phone. I assume you can, with it being 3G?
FWIW, I'd much rather have a Sony Ericcson 3G phone but no one in the UK is doing really good deals on them
Still no word as to whether or not you can buy from the iTunes Music Store via the phone. I assume you can, with it being 3G?
FWIW, I'd much rather have a Sony Ericcson 3G phone but no one in the UK is doing really good deals on them
Just a thought, any reason why iTunes couldn't be developed for the Sybian OS? That way it wouldn't have to phone-dependant but rather would work with any Symbian phone. Now, that would be cool.
munkle said:
All phones, CNet News:
http://news.com.com/Digital+music+hitchhikes+on+Moto+cell+phones/2100-1039_3-5575823.html?tag=nl