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Motorola RAZR V3i Released (with iTunes)
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obeygiant said:
I believe it would be wise of Apple to add a mini-iTunes to the 650.
Why? Market share - if they get more people playing their songs on portable phone devices - devices that have software that only run from the iTunes store - they can become the defacto standard of music.
Then again, I wonder if the new RAZR will play MS Windows based audio. Odds are that's the rub: I'll bet it plays MP3, AA (audible), AAC, and Protected AAC - but <em>not WMA</em>. The Treo is harder to "lock in" (then again, MS hasn't given us a WMA player on it, so maybe it would equal out).
Odds are, Apple's going to allow phones to play who *only* play with the iTunes store. The goal is to get MS and Real (and anybody else) out of the space, so that eventually the *only* music store that people buy from online for their phones/portable devices is either a place that sells vanilla MP3 or is the iTunes store.
Or, that's my thinking. Still, a Palm based iTunes would be nice for my Treo
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I havent owned a Motorola since the P7382i candy bar green/black screen days in early 2001. You remember it back when the colour screen phones had to live up to the Ericsson T68m/SE T68i?!! Well here is why ....
Be very very careful here, the first phone to have Bluetooth v2.0 is the SE K750i; take a look for it on the bluetooth.org qaulification pages, and click on the "i" for information in a PDF format.
Nokia has the N70, and the upcoming N80/N92 phones with BT v2.0 & also the 6270/6280 series 40 phones coming in December with Cingular getting the 6282 with 1900mhz WCDMA for North America. Beautiful sliders with 2.0 megapixels.
If any of you want a phone that can compare to the sound quality of the iPod Nano then look no further than the k750i/W800 & also the upcoming twister W900i !! This phone is one of 3 I want in the next year. why?
470MB user usuable on-board memory for music & files & photos, 2.0MP camera that is leading quality compared to anything on the market (heritage is from the K750i). Memory Stick Duo Pro for up to 2GB (currently) - 4GB (end of March '06 for the launch of the P990i UIQ3 Symbian OS smartphone)!
And to top it off it comes in sheek Black & Nano iPod White.
there is a review on the mobile-review site click the english link if you prefer or just use BabelFish.
dferrara said:
dferrara said:
Be very very careful here, the first phone to have Bluetooth v2.0 is the SE K750i; take a look for it on the bluetooth.org qaulification pages, and click on the "i" for information in a PDF format.
Nokia has the N70, and the upcoming N80/N92 phones with BT v2.0 & also the 6270/6280 series 40 phones coming in December with Cingular getting the 6282 with 1900mhz WCDMA for North America. Beautiful sliders with 2.0 megapixels.
If any of you want a phone that can compare to the sound quality of the iPod Nano then look no further than the k750i/W800 & also the upcoming twister W900i !! This phone is one of 3 I want in the next year. why?
470MB user usuable on-board memory for music & files & photos, 2.0MP camera that is leading quality compared to anything on the market (heritage is from the K750i). Memory Stick Duo Pro for up to 2GB (currently) - 4GB (end of March '06 for the launch of the P990i UIQ3 Symbian OS smartphone)!
And to top it off it comes in sheek Black & Nano iPod White.
there is a review on the mobile-review site click the english link if you prefer or just use BabelFish.
The recent Wired magazine was interesting because it implied that the failure of the ROKR (c'mon I think we can all admit that it was a failure) was because of different interests between the carriers and Apple. ie the cell carriers want to be able to sell music to their subscribers over their networks and make money from it. The article implied that the resulting watered down phone was result of this tension and was Moto's way of appeasing the carriers. Also, Apple not wanting to infringe on Nano/Shuffle sales and not being willing to license their DRM were factors as well according to the article.
The emergence of this phone and the iTunes SLVR seems to indicate that Wired was incorrect in their analysis or Motorola cobbled this together with Apple as an afterthought. I'm not sure why Motorola wouldn't have announced these phones at the Apple press event when they had the chance and just say "shipping in 1 month"...It seems like a public relations disaster.
I think that Apple should offer a way for cell phones to connect to the iTMS wirelessly. The carriers could charge for the connection and at least make some money. I guess most people wouldn't use this but most people aren't going to pay $2.50 for a song from Sprint either...
The emergence of this phone and the iTunes SLVR seems to indicate that Wired was incorrect in their analysis or Motorola cobbled this together with Apple as an afterthought. I'm not sure why Motorola wouldn't have announced these phones at the Apple press event when they had the chance and just say "shipping in 1 month"...It seems like a public relations disaster.
I think that Apple should offer a way for cell phones to connect to the iTMS wirelessly. The carriers could charge for the connection and at least make some money. I guess most people wouldn't use this but most people aren't going to pay $2.50 for a song from Sprint either...
8801 anyone?
Well, I am glad that iTunes is getting on more phones, I just wish it was this one!
Now that is drool worthy, if it is anything like the previous experiences I have had with Nokia
Well, I am glad that iTunes is getting on more phones, I just wish it was this one!
Now that is drool worthy, if it is anything like the previous experiences I have had with Nokia
Lynxpro said:
I loved the Atari, but look at it now and look at modern games. I am simply saying that the jump seems similar. Moto's interface would have been decent some years ago, but just doesn't look as good as what phones are capable of today.
Anyone know if the dimensions are still the same. My girlfriend said something about making it not as wide that interested me. I'm definitly going to get this phone when my contract ends in may. Anyone know when the original razr's dropped in price? I don't wanna be stuck footing a crazy price tag if there going to drop a few weeks later.
From a software standpoint, the biggest problem I see Apple and Motorola had was developing an iPod client (I don't know what else to call it) that integrated into at least one of the operating systems Motorola presently uses in their phones (they have at least three current ones, depending on the chipset and feature set, and a couple of dozen legacy ones going back some 25 years). Once it was done with ROKR, it's a straightforward port to any other phone using the same OS, especially if the client is Java-based.ddrueckhammer said:
But notice that the V3c is excluded: Motorola's CDMA phones generally use a Qualcomm chipset these days, which means any iPod/iTunes client would have to play nice not only with Motorola's software, but Qualcomm's libraries as well. And a BREW client (Verizon, AllTel, US Cellular, etc.) would have to be sold through a carrier download store due to the digital signature required of each BREW app installed, so Apple would STILL need the blessing of those carriers to offer an independent application. Which I don't see happening unless their own upcoming music stores tank badly.
Then go take a look at the new standard Verizon interface on their most recent offerings from LG and Samsung. If Verizon gets the V3c (which seems highly likely, based on what I've been reading on other sites), that's the UI it will have. Verizon's interface simplifies some things, but those ever-present red bars -- ugh.tsaxer said:
Why let the carriers make any money when they've been stealing from us for years? I've got over 2,000 songs in my iTunes Library. If they want to pay me $2.50 per song for each of them, I'll sign up for a two year contract and pay them to move my songs to my phone.ddrueckhammer said:
Otherwise, I expect to be able to sync my phone with my computer and with no interference from my carrier.csubear said:
Sony Ericsson do for the P800 and later. They have an online update service.
$400 for a phone though? My p910i was free with my 1 year contract. Haven't paid for a phone for about 6 years.
Misplaced Mage said:
It would just be wrong if they weren't shoving their corporate color scheme down your throat every time you use the phone.
jayb2000 said:Well, I am glad that iTunes is getting on more phones, I just wish it was this one!
Now that is drool worthy, if it is anything like the previous experiences I have had with Nokia
Yeah that looks pretty amazing, but... how much? $800+?
Prom1 said:
Well... that's cool... but we just get nothing in the States. I looked up a review and it said it was a European release.
The whole industry is a bunch of !@#$. Why can't there just be a global market for phones instead of all this licensing/rebranding crap.
aaahhh crap ... I just got a RAZR V3.
Actually the user interface is very crappy! I have a Sony Ericcson T616 and it has a much better UI. The people that design the UI on the Razr should be beaten with PCs !
Apple needs to make a deal with Motorola (or others), take the hardware platform of the Razr and put a decent UI like an iPod or OS X.
Actually the user interface is very crappy! I have a Sony Ericcson T616 and it has a much better UI. The people that design the UI on the Razr should be beaten with PCs !
Apple needs to make a deal with Motorola (or others), take the hardware platform of the Razr and put a decent UI like an iPod or OS X.
Flynnstone said:
Isn't it amazing how corporations with billions of dollars floating around can be so incredibly stupid?
None of the carriers are forcing you to use their services -- and that's what you're really buying from them. The cell phone is useless without the service of some carrier's network. It's the old RAZR (couldn't resistcwtnospam said:Why let the carriers make any money when they've been stealing from us for years? I've got over 2,000 songs in my iTunes Library. If they want to pay me $2.50 per song for each of them, I'll sign up for a two year contract and pay them to move my songs to my phone.
) and RAZR-blades arrangement all over again, and the carriers are doing what they can to maximize the sales of airtime.Direct file transfer between a phone and a computer without the use of a carrier's network represent a revenue leak that some carriers are more like to plug than others. If you don't like one carrier's stance on phone features, fine, vote with your dollars, go to another carrier, and tell the one you're leaving the reason for your actions. The market clearly is bearing what the carriers are demanding today, giving them little incentive to change until they see otherwise.
Has anyone else noticed horrible battery life on their V3 Razr's? I didn't properly "condition" the battery which is why I blame myself for it's horrible battery life, but has anyone who properly conditioned their battery noticed a lack of standby time?
Given how some of the carriers are beginning to insist on their own, private user interfaces for branding and simplification of customer support (*hack*Verizon*cough*), I can't see an Apple-designed phone UI flying unlessFlynnstone said:
- One of the major carriers hires Apple to do a user interface for all their phones
- Apple becomes a MVNO
The second possibility would allow Apple to do what it likes without having to deal with a network partner except as a supplier (big pro). It would also mean that Apple would be starting as yet another niche player in another market (con). And then where does Apple make its money? The big carriers and MNVOs subsidize phone purchases by users in the interests of selling more air time, or unique content. Apple traditionally makes the majority of its profits on the hardware it sells (con).
I don't see the corporations as stupid, necessarily, but rather playing rather high-stakes games of poker. They never show us or their competitors their entire hand at any given time, and will bluff (products are announced or rumored, but never appear for various reasons), stall (the F.U.D. factor of early announcements), and carry out their own skunkworks development programs (some of which never see the light of day). The objective is always to win, but sometimes you have to be conservative and observe your competitors' play just to stay in the game.
If you want a phone with a volume (length x width x height, not amplitude!) that's roughly half that of its major competition, you have to be willing to give up some of that space to things other than the battery, like the radio, the display, the keypad, the speakerphone, the antenna, etc. TANSTAAFLsethypoo said:
Or there could be something wrong with the phone, like a bad connection between the radio and the antenna causing it to consume more power to maintain a link with the network. Even in standby, a cell phone has to transmit periodically to keep the network aware of its status, register with a new base station will moving, etc. Or you're hitting keys accidentally and turning the backlights on all the time. Or the carrier recently did work on your local basestation, changing its coverage. Or you have Bluetooth turned on (same situation as the network in miniature -- the Bluetooth module keeps waking up and looking for devices it's paired with). Lots of possiblities other than the battery being bad.
csubear said:
Almost all of them do offer firmware updates, you might not have noticed it if you haven't had your phone repaired or never checked the firmware after the repair. Usually you can get the new firmware from a repair shop simply by demanding it, at least while your phone is under guarantee.
Be sure to back up your data though, your contact and other info might be erased when the new firmware is installed.
Usually you won't get new applications though just like you won't get new applications with your osx/windows patches. You can get new software for your $400 phone the same way you get new software for your computer, there's plenty of sites offering cell phone software for downloading and/or buying.
Tupring said:
Charges to receive SMSs in the U.S.? Gosh, I didn't know Bush's land was so far behind the rest of the world...and I am not talking only about "developed" countries...every country with an open mobile market NEVER charges for received SMSs...no wonder you have such crappy phones and dismal networks...amazing.