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Oh of course. Only Apple users know what they're buying.

Nothing could possibly scream 'fanboy' louder.

I never mentioned anything about an Apple user vs anything, this discussion was started about "hardcore" users vs avg Joe consumer. Your tunnel vision or bias against Apple/SJ or whatever brought the "Apple user" into the discussion. For the record, probably 90%+ of consumers shopping for Apple computers are just as clueless as they don't understand, or care to understand every detail about a computer. They simply want something different than the previous xx years of pain a Windows machine has brought them because they are in fact clueless about how to properly maintain it. Those are the exact target consumer I was mentioning SJ/Apple is looking to attract, not the hardcore user that they know will never be happy with the hardware spec's vs a "pc" with every port option, 52 slot card reader, unlimited expandability etc..

Yes I am a fan of great products, Apple or otherwise. However I don't currently own any Apple computers. I do own an iPhone and iPad.

I use products that suit my needs for both work and personal. The iPhone and iPad do just that. When a better product, which the Motorola and Honeycomb may bring, I'll be one of the first to stand in line to buy one. I stood in line, well went to the store and walked in on launch day of the Evo. I was excited to try out a new technology in Wimax and as my work phone is painfully slow Android based phone, wanted to see a newer software version and faster hardware. I used it for two months, enjoyed parts of Android but the actual HTC build quality was horrible. Screen came up/unglued, back battery cover was gaping from the body and some other hardware related issues to buttons. Sold it and moved back to ATT, which I really didn't want to do and purchased the iPhone 4.

Show me a better mouse trap and I'm all about giving it a shot. So far, imo, the iPhone and iPad are the best mouse traps available.
 
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I never mentioned anything about an Apple user vs anything, this discussion was started about "hardcore" users vs avg Joe consumer. Your tunnel vision or bias against Apple/SJ or whatever brought the "Apple user" into the discussion. For the record, probably 90%+ of consumers shopping for Apple computers are just as clueless as they don't understand, or care to understand every detail about a computer. They simply want something different than the previous xx years of pain a Windows machine has brought them because they are in fact clueless about how to properly maintain it. Those are the exact target consumer I was mentioning SJ/Apple is looking to attract, not the hardcore user that they know will never be happy with the hardware spec's vs a "pc" with every port option, 52 slot card reader, unlimited expandability etc..

Yes I am a fan of great products, Apple or otherwise. However I don't currently own any Apple computers. I do own an iPhone and iPad.

I use products that suit my needs for both work and personal. The iPhone and iPad do just that. When a better product, which the Motorola and Honeycomb may bring, I'll be one of the first to stand in line to buy one. I stood in line, well went to the store and walked in on launch day of the Evo. I was excited to try out a new technology in Wimax and as my work phone is painfully slow Android based phone, wanted to see a newer software version and faster hardware. I used it for two months, enjoyed parts of Android but the actual HTC build quality was horrible. Screen came up/unglued, back battery cover was gaping from the body and some other hardware related issues to buttons. Sold it and moved back to ATT, which I really didn't want to do and purchased the iPhone 4.

Show me a better mouse trap and I'm all about giving it a shot. So far, imo, the iPhone and iPad are the best mouse traps available.

This isn't 2001. Windows is as maintenance free as ever. But you practically said that OSX is for the idiots so I'm tempted to not argue.

Anyway, give the Nexus S a try. Heard good things about it. Or if you're feeling adventurous, get a Samsung Focus. You gotta realize by now that the iPhone isn't the only viable nor really the best mousetrap anymore. LG is shipping out dual core phones, RIM and Motorola dual core tablets, all of which run Flash. I'd be interested to see how Apple deals with it.
 
This isn't 2001. Windows is as maintenance free as ever. But you practically said that OSX is for the idiots so I'm tempted to not argue.

Anyway, give the Nexus S a try. Heard good things about it. Or if you're feeling adventurous, get a Samsung Focus. You gotta realize by now that the iPhone isn't the only viable nor really the best mousetrap anymore. LG is shipping out dual core phones, RIM and Motorola dual core tablets, all of which run Flash. I'd be interested to see how Apple deals with it.

Sweet Jesus, can you explain why it took me half an hour to TRY and get Flash installed on my friends computer over Facetime? I gave up and got him to download Firefox and install Flash for that.

Every single time he tried to download Flash IE stopped him, and gave him a prompt saying that it wouldn't allow him to install it. No prompt to ask him if he wanted to install it, no option to override the decision. What in the hell is that?
 
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This isn't 2001. Windows is as maintenance free as ever. But you practically said that OSX is for the idiots so I'm tempted to not argue.

Anyway, give the Nexus S a try. Heard good things about it. Or if you're feeling adventurous, get a Samsung Focus. You gotta realize by now that the iPhone isn't the only viable nor really the best mousetrap anymore. LG is shipping out dual core phones, RIM and Motorola dual core tablets, all of which run Flash. I'd be interested to see how Apple deals with it.

Sweet Jesus, can you explain why it took me half an hour to TRY and get Flash installed on my friends computer over Facetime? I gave up and got him to download Firefox and install Flash for that.

Every single time he tried to download Flash IE stopped him, and gave him a prompt saying that it wouldn't allow him to install it. No prompt to ask him if he wanted to install it, no option to override the decision. What in the hell is that?

That is one error in millions of successful installs. One singular problem does not make the whole platform bad now does it?
 
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That is one error in millions of successful installs. One singular problem does not make the whole platform bad now does it?

Of course not, but this isn't some software error, this was intentionally built in and I can't wrap my mind around it!
 
Sweet Jesus, can you explain why it took me half an hour to TRY and get Flash installed on my friends computer over Facetime? I gave up and got him to download Firefox and install Flash for that.

Every single time he tried to download Flash IE stopped him, and gave him a prompt saying that it wouldn't allow him to install it. No prompt to ask him if he wanted to install it, no option to override the decision. What in the hell is that?

If it was UAC, then it's because he's not the admin of the computer and the admin dictated against installing system-changing programs. Otherwise, closing IE should fix it.

I literally just uninstalled and reinstalled Flash as I was typing this to see what the hell you were talking about. 30 seconds.

Anyway, at least Flash runs worth a damn on Windows. I heard you guys had some issues with CPU usage.
 
If it was UAC, then it's because he's not the admin of the computer and the admin dictated against installing system-changing programs. Otherwise, closing IE should fix it.

I literally just uninstalled and reinstalled Flash as I was typing this to see what the hell you were talking about. 30 seconds.

I am not entirely sure if he was on Vista or 7; don't have much experience with either. It was just insane and irritating as hell to try and work through over a shaky phone video. Had he brought me the computer I could have done it in less than a minute I'm sure, but the fact that he even had to call me makes it a little more than annoying.
 
I am not entirely sure if he was on Vista or 7; don't have much experience with either. It was just insane and irritating as hell to try and work through over a shaky phone video. Had he brought me the computer I could have done it in less than a minute I'm sure, but the fact that he even had to call me makes it a little more than annoying.
If he couldn't figure out how to install Flash, then maybe computers aren't for him? :D

Vista has quite a history of being annoying as hell. I know 7 looks the same as Vista but it's worlds of difference from Vista when it comes to usability.
 
If he couldn't figure out how to install Flash, then maybe computers aren't for him? :D

Vista has quite a history of being annoying as hell. I know 7 looks the same as Vista but it's worlds of difference from Vista when it comes to usability.

Haha I am honestly more surprised he didn't smash it out of anger. But really, it was an insanely ridiculous exercise and I can't blame him for not figuring it out.
 
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