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And if you believe that, I've got a bridge I'd like to sell you...

Because it's constantly streaming your conversations to google 24hours a day without it showing in your data use or draining the battery flat.

Are you interested in swapping that bridge for a foil hat I've made for you?

Imagine what this phone could do if it wasn't evil!
 
They did a great job with the iPhone 4 in terms of functions and design. After that they stopped innovating.

4S is a noticeably better phone than 4 ! Performance and battery life is a big step forward.

5 is also more usable than 4S. If you do AirPlay/bluetooth connection, music playback, maps (3D flyover), Siri, etc. altogether at the same time, you will appreciate iPhone 5. The older phones don't really have enough to keep everything going smoothly.

That's why specs are still important. This Moto X device won't be able to keep up with advanced local use cases in the next few years smoothly.

The services are improving as we speak.

If you just do simple stuff with your phone, then you may not see the differences.
 
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Apple could blow this away easily. Stick in a 2 year old CPU gpu combo with a big ass battery and low density big ass screen, charge 198 bucks on contract, probably 60% profit margins. Bosh! 24 hour battery.
 
I like Motorola, but I'm not a fan of Google. For me Google always has 'engineering interface' written all over it.
You always hear "it's a great phone once you set every option like you want it", that's already a failure in interface design.

Even Google chrome, if i need to find the right option, it's enervating!

I like the stubbornness of Apple to stick with 4.3' screens. Just enough screen to do what I want and not a hassle to carry around it tight jeans, shorts ... but Apple did made the mistake to go for 'light' and 'thin' again. Battery life is still not like it should be and my iphone 5 is light and thin enough, almost too light and thin.

Samsung phones look horrible, are way too big, and a hassle for me to carry around. It's a typical device for an IT guy.

I think i prefer a windows phone over googlerola, they don't look bad and the interface seems intuitive
 
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I like Motorola, but I'm not a fan of Google. For me Google always has 'engineering interface' written all over it.
You always hear "it's a great phone once you set every option like you want it", that's already a failure in interface design.

Even Google chrome, if i need to find the right option, it's enervating!

I like the stubbornness of Apple to stick with 4.3' screens. Just enough screen to do what I want and not a hassle to carry around it tight jeans, shorts ... but Apple did made the mistake to go for 'light' and 'thin' again. Battery life is still not like it should be and my iphone 5 is light and thin enough, almost too light and thin.

Samsung phones look horrible, are way too big, and a hassle for me to carry around. It's a typical device for an IT guy.

I think i prefer a windows phone, they don't look bad and the interface seems intuitive

Windows Phone has too little software.

Look forward to see what sort of improvement will be in 5S.

Fitting in tight jeans is true. I am getting fat. Have started to hit the gym. Fortunately, I can still fit the iPhone 5 in my pockets.
 
Windows Phone has too little software.

Look forward to see what sort of improvement will be in 5S.

Fitting in tight jeans is true. I am getting fat. Have started to hit the gym. Fortunately, I can still fit the iPhone 5 in my pockets.

true, there's not much software on a windows phone.

But for what I need it, it's ok, there's facebook, instagram, twitter, and that's already 60% of my smartphone usage(outside of the obvious, calling, texting & internet) :)

Watch out, before you know it you have a belt with a little hook for your samsung phone on it *runs away*
 
But, but, but it's designed by you and 24 hours of google ads. Hehe

:D
Right, maybe i am not in that targeted segment then! Oh wait it is too expensive for teenagers as well so who would by this one ? ;)

The only positive in moto X is NOT made in china leitmotiv
 
They keep one or two low power cores to manage the phone when idling and listening. Then wake the regular cores up for regular use.

If you're not doing anything, it will last longer. If you're actively doing stuff, then the regular processors will still consume juice.

But because the design is complex, it will have overhead.

If they worked with the advanced CPU process, like Apple and Samsung do, they could have saved battery life by going to smaller process and keep the design simple. It's kinda like the difference between Xbox One (esoteric) and PS4 (simple). It may not hit the strawman 24 hour life, but battery life should be good.

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Huh ? My iPad mini lasts a week in mixed use. Motor X will be shorter (up to just one day on paper) since its batteries are much smaller.

It is probably unfair to compare a full blown computer with a simple phone. The computer does a lot more, like compiling stuff and working on large spreadsheets and photoshops.

I'm just comparing the announced specs with the current Apple ones.
I know they're more a reference and that portables do more.
Still, that's the kind of comfort I wish.

Apple has done a good job with the latest Airs, that drew attention to an apparently obvious factor to take into account when you go mobile - operating time between charges, not just performance.

Of course this has evreytinhg to do with software, hence the increasing care in optimizing Applications, specially for iOS, where resources are scarcer, but also Operating Systems and if Maverics expectations are to met in its release, will be another important leap forward in power savings, where prior operating systems failed and overlooked, as observed in this thread: Mavericks DP4 = Snow Leopard

I Still haven't bought a smatphone for that reason. I would have to charge both more than twice a day to give fit my usage. In a while I spent most of the time charging, meaning I loose portablity which defeats the purposes of those products.

Not to mention that every type of battery looses its capacity to fully charge over cycles, altough in the different ways, but they do, even if you follow the correct procedure to charge. Thus, portabilty over time decreases.

Bottomline: Moblie needs (more) time.
 
4S is a noticeably better phone than 4 ! Performance and battery life is a big step forward.

4s in terms of design is the same. For performance, of course they slow down the old hardware if something new comes out. In terms of function I see zero innovation. 5 is even worse, other then the form factor there is nothing new.

I have an iPhone 4 and I after using it for 1+ years I am totally open other brands as I am very clear about that iOS can NOT do.
 
I'm just comparing the announced specs with the current Apple ones.
I know they're more a reference and that portables do more.
Still, that's the kind of comfort I wish.

Apple has done a good job with the latest Airs, that drew attention to an apparently obvious factor to take into account when you go mobile - operating time between charges, not just performance.

Of course this has evreytinhg to do with software, hence the increasing care in optimizing Applications, specially for iOS, where resources are scarcer, but also Operating Systems and if Maverics expectations are to met in its release, will be another important leap forward in power savings, where prior operating systems failed and overlooked, as observed in this thread: Mavericks DP4 = Snow Leopard

I Still haven't bought a smatphone for that reason. I would have to charge both more than twice a day to give fit my usage. In a while I spent most of the time charging, meaning I loose portablity which defeats the purposes of those products.

Not to mention that every type of battery looses its capacity to fully charge over cycles, altough in the different ways, but they do, even if you follow the correct procedure to charge. Thus, portabilty over time decreases.

Bottomline: Moblie needs (more) time.

Announced battery life specs is useless against actual usage battery life. :)

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4s in terms of design is the same. For performance, of course they slow down the old hardware if something new comes out. In terms of function I see zero innovation. 5 is even worse, other then the form factor there is nothing new.

I have an iPhone 4 and I after using it for 1+ years I am totally open other brands as I am very clear about that iOS can NOT do.

Oh you silly rabbit. Google it. 4S runs on A5. 4 runs on A4. GPU is twice as fast. video resolution is 1080p compared to 720p.

5 is even more powerful, double 4S again.

You obviously don't know what you are talking about. That's why you see no innovation. The iPhone 4 is wasted on you. :-D

I can run a lot more stuff in parallel on iPhone 5 compared to older phones.
 
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The only thing that impressed me is the battery. the phone itself is not high end phone but has high price like HTC One.
Motorola is still on 4.2.2 even though Google bought them and I'm not sure who is going to talk to his device and say 'OK Google' every time he needs something.

I think it's a flop like every motorola phone. but this one come with colors :)
 
The Moto X is basically a Nexus 4

Comparing the specs all i see is a little difference in size battery size and megapixel number.

But its more expensive. why would anyone pay that much for an ok phone
 
Buy a battery case. If they have a low cost iPhone 5, then the total package should be reasonable.

No, I want a phone that can last a day on it's own. I really don't like battery cases, you forget them to bring along, and it's just more stuff to carry around. Back in the 80ties I had no problems with using all kind of add-ons but in this century I expect devises to work proper. The only add-ons I like and those I'm using are truly big hardware "add-ons" like external RAID systems or render farm technologies.

24 hour battery life on paper is useless. You can charge your phone while you sleep you know. :-D

That's entirely besides the point. Companies, including Apple, advertise with battery life but in reality, that is the world called earth where I as a human being actually life on, phones don't last as the advertisements state. Only if you put everything off and use your iPhone only for calling then you get close to what the advertisements are stating. Yes, Apple does say that when using music on it while running using GPS software etc will drain battery life more then when not using anything. So far for Vulcan Logic here, but it's a smart phone. A smart phone should, i.m.h.o. go along using all kinds of stuff on it during the day and then, only then, when going to sleep you can charge it.

In your scenario you can't. The battery life will be gone hours before you go to bad and no, I'm not suffering from insomnia.

It is more important to get say... a 12 hour solid battery life, and a better spec.

Nope, it's not, it's just a matter of taste. Technically companies can make an phone that's reaches the power of a laptop these days. Not yet but each year smart phones getting more powerful. I never want a iPhone where I will actually work on it. It's simply not do-able for me as an animator and designer together with our company. We need big screens and powerful machines. Read powerful, so no slim good looking iMac but Power with a capital P. They way I look at devices is probably different then you. I don't give a *beep* how a computer looks like, it should be powerful in the first place and handy for usage. If it shines, has diamonds on it, I don't give a *beep*. For smart phones it's different i.m.h.o. they need to be tiny, when Apple comes out with bigger screen size iPhones, and they will!, I'll not buy those. The only reason why Apple will come up with bigger screen sizes iPhones is NOT because it's within Apple's grand mad up philosophical vision but it's because of 'popular by demand'. Apple is loosing ground big time, both on marketshare and on popularity when looking at the smart phone market world wide and 'that's' the only reason why Apple gives in, making plastic iPhones and pretty soon with bigger screen sizes. But I'm not going to make a phone call with a tennis racket size hanging on my ear so everyone can notice how big my phone is; freud would understand that sentence....

A phone should be small, durable, and not to be seen as some kind of replacement for serious work when it comes to old fashion drawing capabilities and doing post production movie work on it.

Apple need to stay focus on whatever its vision is. I have a feeling their final goal is not a cellphone. iPhones and iPads are more and more like an all-in-one computer.

That only proofs my point that smartphones should be able to last working day to make use of it's possibilities without having to worry about battery life. And Apple's "vision" is just what the market is shouting for, just as any other company tries to translate the need among customers into hardware and/or software.


But they need to execute their strategies for growth markets quickly and steadily.

They are all ready doing so. You really think Apple has no plan to tackle the ongoing spiral downwards when it comes to popularity and demand for their products? Why you think Apple comes with plastic cheap iPhones and larger screens?

They will have to show good progress. But then again, I have seen friends heading towards Android, and then come back again. So in the long run, it's more important to build the ecosystem in a solid manner rather than hype one phone with empty marketing speak after another.

Those are empty words, sorry for saying. Keep on shouting this and you'll end up being on the bottom of the market when it comes to selling products. I suspect that you're an Apple fanboy which is ok with me, don't worry, but I know many many people that have switch to Android and don't think of going back. Why? Because many smartphone's out there can do exactly the same things as the iPhone can, some can do even way more for less money. Only Apple fans refuge to accept those facts.

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I'm a Apple fan myself, but I'm not a dogmatic fan so to speak. I'm able to see the good results made by other companies and the reasonable arguments why people don't buy Apple products any longer. I don't go along with the hallelujah Apple is the best mantra simply because it's not the reality these days.

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I Still haven't bought a smatphone for that reason. I would have to charge both more than twice a day to give fit my usage. In a while I spent most of the time charging, meaning I loose portablity which defeats the purposes of those products.

Not to mention that every type of battery looses its capacity to fully charge over cycles, altough in the different ways, but they do, even if you follow the correct procedure to charge. Thus, portabilty over time decreases.

Bottomline: Moblie needs (more) time.

So true.
 
Sounds like a paid comment. How well do you think voice command will work in a coffee shop or when out to eat. Then there is of course other people that you have convinced to buy this thing yelling Google Now into their phones.

The camera thing is not a good idea. I thought the shake was neat on the iPhone but soon turned it off because it would activate when ever the motion was done unintentionally as well. Frustrating! You will have lots of pictures from purses and pockets and of things you might not want someone who you are sharing picks with to see. Worse would be them getting posted to Facebook by accident.
Almost all of the features the most vocal members of this site, who are always ready to jump ship, fawns over on their beloved Google phones are completely useless and do not get used at all by regular people.

The irony of iPhone users taking the mick out of people talking to phone to get it to work.
 
4s in terms of design is the same. For performance, of course they slow down the old hardware if something new comes out. In terms of function I see zero innovation. 5 is even worse, other then the form factor there is nothing new.

Also true. But I can live with the idea there is nothing new, as long battery life can increase dramatically and the devise itself including the software works much better.

I have an iPhone 4 and I after using it for 1+ years I am totally open other brands as I am very clear about that iOS can NOT do.

I understand and it's reasonable. I stay with Apple simply because I like the surrounding, the whole package so to speak.
 
8 core CPU adn 16 core GPU Snapdragonsupermegagiga with 16 GB of DDR RAM and 4k SUPER AMOLED ULTRA HD display and ****...but still with the crappy Android.

I prefer a secure and controled eco system, with intuitive and simple OS arquitecture in beatiful designed phone. Thats why people prefer iOS, iPhone and Apple.

If you just look the official photo of the phone, the theme, the icons, and the design....its a mess. WTF is this?

motox.jpg


Who the **** designed the home screen and chosed this wallpaper?
And still Android has 3 buttons (fisical, on screen or capacitive, whatever) when the iPhone has only one and thats it.

iphone5_ios7.jpg
 
You said you want 24 hour battery life. ^_^
It will last you 2 working days instead of one. People only need a solid 12 hour battery life and better hardware to justify the high price. They can always charge the phone while sleeping.

With the latest Nexus 7 battery life claim, Google turns off Wifi which is a stupid use case for an Internet tablet. So there is a difference which company makes the claim (I.e., how they measure it). Apple's claim is usually truthful.

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Also true. But I can live with the idea there is nothing new, as long battery life can increase dramatically and the devise itself including the software works much better.

Ha ha, not true at all ! Only Android manufacturers gimp their old phones by releasing on old OS.

4S is about twice as fast as 4 by h/w. 5 is about twice the performance as 4S.

Since iOS4, we have seen new services and features from Apple and third parties. Heck, even Google is forced to give us turn by turn navigation. And even Apple Maps have improved since launch.

I'm a Apple fan myself, but I'm not a dogmatic fan so to speak. I'm able to see the good results made by other companies and the reasonable arguments why people don't buy Apple products any longer. I don't go along with the hallelujah Apple is the best mantra simply because it's not the reality these days.

That's what you say but you couldn't see the improvements between 4S and 4. :)
I didn't even say which phone is best.

Moto X is not a good buy based on its h/w, price and positioning. I can say that regardless of what I think of other phones.

iPhone 5 is last year's phone. It would be stupid to think that it is always the best. But that doesn't mean it is no different from 4S. If you can't tell, it's because you are not a heavy user. I can see the performance boost and smoothness when using multiple services at once, like music playback, voice navigation, answering incoming call over Bluetooth or playing games all at the same time, etc.

Apple don't toy with their CPU and GPU clock to boost benchmarks like Samsung too. So whether which phone runs best is not so clear cut based on reviews and vendor specs.
 
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Moto X looks like a solid-to-excellent phone. I hope that it succeeds simply because Apple needs a credible competition to keep them honest. Otherwise, it will get fat and sloppy just like it did between two Jobsian periods.

Somebody needs to do something about those $199 upfront plus > $100 per month per person for two years scam run by fat cats, I mean tel-cos like AT&T and Verizon for barely tolerable-to-bad wireless service.
 
Moto X looks like a solid-to-excellent phone. I hope that it succeeds simply because Apple needs a credible competition to keep them honest. Otherwise, it will get fat and sloppy just like it did between two Jobsian periods.

Somebody needs to do something about those $199 upfront plus > $100 per month per person for two years scam run by fat cats, I mean tel-cos like AT&T and Verizon for barely tolerable-to-bad wireless service.

There are many other models that have superior build quality, performance and/or price.

That's why the Android fans are bitching about it.
 
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