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Perhaps it's an old Android phone you're referencing .

You most certainly cannot be referring to a Galaxy S4, Note II, or HTC One, those three are very smooth and trouble free.

Naw. While Android is leaps and leaps and leaps and bounds better than it used to be, lag is always inherent in all android phones.

https://www.google.com/search?q=gal...5j0l2j5j69i60.2641j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

https://www.google.com/search?q=not...i65j0l3j69i62.2674j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

https://www.google.com/search?q=htc...9j0l3j69i62l2.2294j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
 
Google servers listening on every conversation … waiting for a command? no thank you.

Mate, mate, mate. They have already addressed this, it will only listen for "Hello Google Now" or what ever the cue is, the rest of the stuff is basically blurred out by the phone.
And plus, Apple do, Microsoft do, Samsung do, Sony probably do (even though people think Sony care about them), every tech company does now.

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There's a jailbreak tweak for that

It sucks how there is a real lack of stuff you can do on an iphone without jailbreak :(
 
This is how the Moto X's voice activated feature works. It's no different than the current Google Now service except it knows how to recognise when you say "OK Google Now."

This is the sort of thing that will impress the average consumer and allow the phone to sell well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZX8graseUQ
 
Oh, crap.

This is really, really not good for Apple. Hopefully it takes more of a bite out of Samsung's marketshare, but I can't help thinking-- and judging by some of the comments here, I fear I'm right-- that Apple will suffer as well.

Big screen, tremendous battery life (compared to other smart phones anyway), and good specs along with features that are (or at least sound) groundbreaking.

Hope Apple really has something up their sleeve.
 
"The Moto X is the first phone where Google is in control of both the hardware and the software, giving the company greater control over the end user experience."

How many times are they going to pull the "true Android experience" card? Please. First it was the Droids, and then the Nexus, and now the Motorola acquisition. Every time, it's still the same sluggish, disorganized mess as any of the other flagship Android phones. Somehow, no matter how many cores the processor has, or what new version of Android it's running, I can't even scroll through the settings menu without lag.

At least the big screens are novel. Until you have to use it one hand, anyway.

Please. Lets not bring up generalizations that are simple not true anymore. Try any of the Nexus devices or current top end smartphones, and you will not experience these things. Second, more often then not, this "lag" people talk about is because most people are idiotic when they use their phone. They have installed Malware from stupid applications and always have a thousand processes running in the background. Just because you used some crap Android phone on Metro PCS, doesn't mean its true for everything. Do your research before you buy a phone.
 
I'm still using my 4S I bought launch week (paid full price to replace a stolen 4), even though I've been eligible for a subsidized upgrade for 8 months. I feel trapped, I hate the tiny screen now, but I'm sure I'd be in the camp that misses iOS. So I don't feel like buying anything.



Windows 7 is pretty decent, windows 8 is complete garbage. Either way I love MacOS it is so far superior to windows that I can't see myself switching.

That being said, MacOS does some things that are stupid difficult. It blocks you from accessing non-standard ports. Last time I checked, they're in the spec for a reason, but the average drone doesn't need them so Apple blocks them and makes it a nightmare to get around them.

I use VPN quite a bit, and Apple does something weird that makes PPTP more trouble to use than it's worth, so I end up on L2TP which doesn't suit my needs as well but apparently it's the Apple way and Apple wants to get their way in everything.

The other thing I hate is that Apple leaves out key functionality on purpose just to force you to buy other stuff. Look at everything the ATV could do but Apple doesn't allow. On the other hand, I'd like to use my mac mini as an air display receiver, it would have been simple for Apple to add it but they're trying to sell more ATV hardware. Instead I had to buy a $15 app to get a simple feature that should have been part of the OS.

So basically because windows is such complete crap, Apple has me; there is no way I'll convert, but it feels like they're abusing it.

I definitely agree that Apple sometimes crops out some features that don't seem to need it. I still don't know why Front Row got the axe, aside from pushing the use of Apple TVs. I used to use Front Row to make my Mac like a little TV, but now I have an Apple TV in my bedroom. So I guess marketing wins there.

I also didn't like how the new AirPlay Mirroring feature requires some graphics adapter that was on the next model after my iMac. I have a desktop, so I really could care less if it takes more system resources if I choose to turn it on. Maybe it would've taken a lot more development to make that work and I'm in the minority with a desktop, but GRRRR on being left out of that.

For the most part, I get that Apple is going to cater its products to a certain segment and maybe leave out certain functions. I thought I would miss easily replacing components like I did with mid-tower PCs. I kinda do at times, but I don't miss the big, bulky, noisy box.
 

These situations are the result of users modifying settings before they've learned what they're doing. It's like a Windows user using flash on a Mac then complaining it runs hot. All Macs have that "problem"
 
It's important to mention that a WP 8 phone doesn't just work with everything if you're driving a Mac. I have a 920 as well (and a 4s) and the 920 is fussy when it comes connecting on my Mac's for photo/music/video synching, sometimes the Microsoft Windows Phone App (Mac App store) notices the phone is there, sometimes not (check the reviews and you'll see its a common complaint). Microsoft didn't have their synch app handle the Address Book and Calendar so you have to find other ways to get those synched (normally by giving those somewhat private things to Google). All of a sudden you're getting into extra work just to have the phone.

Now outside of that (and the fact that the 920 has issues with dust getting into the top and fruzting up the face sensor up there - google it) its a very nice phone, beautiful in its own way - the UI is fluid, clear and easy to understand. There's a fix for the dust issue, but Nokia doesn't have a dedicated service center in the U.S. so there's no way to get the fix installed to prevent the dust issue - you just have to battle AT&T if you do get it (not an automatic fix from them).

Now you know how some of us struggle using iTunes on Windows. Lol, it is certainly a struggle. I am so glad Apple moved to OTA updates!

As for the dust, you're right, there were issues for some folks initially. Haven't heard about any recently. And having Apple stores nearby is great for Apple products. But I must say that Nokia stepped up to the plate on the issue. Many people dealt directly with them on manufacturing problems. An email directly to the CEO Steven Elop got quick and direct action. Most folks reported new phones being sent immediately with a box to return the defective phone. Not as good as walking into an Apple store but in this day and age pretty impressive.

Now my son had an issue with his and he did simply go to the ATT store and receive a replacement immediately. But there were initial problems with sufficient stock to help every one.

No new phone seems to be completely problem free. Apple has had it's own issues at release too. But I have been very impressed with Nokia. And mine has been trouble free from the start.

As I said, having a choice is great.
 
Again I say that the manufacturer's specs are the only objective measure.
Evereybody knows that those numbers are obtained through what are known as ideal usage scenarios.
The information has its value, whatever that might be and is generally subject to change without prior notice.
Nevertheless, its stated by the companies.
Companies have been and will be caught, of course.
Their either punnished by the authorities and/or by the customers.
After all, without us they don't exist.

lol. Manufacturer's battery life spec is objective ? Don't make me laugh so hard.
Ideal usage scenarios ? From whose perspective ? Many manufacturers' goal is to artificially boost battery life as long as possible.

Google and you're telling me that Nexus 7 is used *ideally* with screen brightness @ 40% and Wifi turned *OFF* to reach 9 hours ? Why even put a Wifi chip inside ? Why can't they be honest and say it only lasts 6 hours if you turn on Wifi like everyone else, and set screen brightness higher ?

You're clearly grasping at straw.

The 24 hour battery life paper spec is from Google's biased measurement. The long life is achieved via a small core listening for instructions. But if you use it normally, it will drain battery like everyone else.
 
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I just want the battery. Only issue I have with my 5 is the battery life. Would like to ditch my mophie case.

I'll believe it when I see it. I get wildly different battery life depending on use. The iPhone 5 can certainly last "up to" 24 hours as long as you don't use it much.

Although overall I have to agree that the iPhone 5's battery life is crap. I can't forgive that it's worse than the iPhone 4 - that just doesn't make sense to me. The iPhone 4 was fine. It would last 24 hours under hard usage, and easily 2 days with medium to light usage. Battery was never an issue.

The iPhone 5 does not last through the day if used hard, and just barely makes it to midnight with medium to light usage. Not good enough. (if you only use it for calls it still can get 24 hours though so an advertising slogan like "up to 24 hours would not be an outright lie)
 
have you used one in person? did you know that the moto x has a ppi that's on par with the iphone 5 and the galaxy S3? did you know that the gpu actually beats out some of the new higher end phones like the S4?

... which is exactly the problem. Why are you comparing a 2013 flagship phone with last year's models ? Why not compare to iPhone 4 while you're at it ? This thing is supposed to last 2 years or more starting today.

PPI is not the only display attribute. The AMOLED display is said to be blurry in motion, and they are known to degrade more rapidly than LCD ones.

As for GPU, the Android phones usually lag behind iPhone. The Moto X one is similar to the S4.
But for CPU, it is decidedly slower than everyone else's new model.

These benchmarks are optimized for parade. If this is the best Moto X can put out, in real use, it will be slower than everyone else.

and yes.. the moto x is water repellent, which is similar to samsung and the previous motos.

Yes, Samsung claimed their phone is waterproof but it turned out to be only semi-waterproof. So Moto-X will be like Samsung here ?
 
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These situations are the result of users modifying settings before they've learned what they're doing. It's like a Windows user using flash on a Mac then complaining it runs hot. All Macs have that "problem"

I have seen Android phones lag without heavy user customization. It may be the apps and the multitasking. These friends are casual users. They don't install any skins or "funny" stuff on their phones.
 
lol. Manufacturer's battery life spec is objective ? Don't make me laugh so hard.
Ideal usage scenarios ? From whose perspective ? Many manufacturers' goal is to artificially boost battery life as long as possible.

Google and you're telling me that Nexus 7 is used *ideally* with screen brightness @ 40% and Wifi turned *OFF* to reach 9 hours ? Why even put a Wifi chip inside ? Why can't they be honest and say it only lasts 6 hours if you turn on Wifi like everyone else, and set screen brightness higher ?

You're clearly grasping at straw.

The 24 hour battery life paper spec is from Google's biased measurement. The long life is achieved via a small core listening for instructions. But if you use it normally, it will drain battery like everyone else.

On the manufacturer's perspective, of course.
Imagine you going to buy a car.
The manufacturer states amogst other things, the fuel consumption.
You know the car will undoubtably consume more.

But there's also the information that those values are obtain under certain circumstances - as the ones you state in your posts.

I believe that a lot of people in this forum are aware that, including me.
My first post was on that shall we say "raw" information.
I know far too well what comes after.

Apple stated that the Mac laptop's (where I'm writing this) had a 5 hour battery life.
When I started using it I roughfly got 2 hours of autonomy.
Today I have 1 minute, because of battery characteristics I mentioned before.

I love the machine, but I have to carry the all package if I go somewhere.
So not comfortable.

It's almost the same as using a Mac Mini, which costs 4 times less, provided of course that you have a monitor, mouse and keyboard - things you can by with the extra money.
Plus you can connect the Mini to a TV.

Another example.
For me, according to my criteria Microsoft Office is the best bundle of the kind.
iWork doesn't get near it and I hope the rumored revision which is due for years, makes it closer.

Even if I stick to Microsoft Office, the Windows version is much more powerfull that the Mac version - this has been discussed in other MacRumors' forums.
The criterion that I use to assess this is benefit.

On the other hand, there's price where iWork clearly wins.
To use Microsft Office, I have to pay for Microsoft Office's license + Windows' licence and use a free virtualization software.
It works perfect, but is it worth it?
The assessment criterion here is cost.

Now, I put this criteria in each side of scale and see which weights the most.
The assessment is the result of the cost/benefit outcome.

I decided to use iWork.

About biasing, that what makes unique human individuals, not just companies, which are made by individuals.
Companies statements, based on their assessment of their criteria are biased.

All my statements, in this forum or elsewhere are biased, for the same reason.
So are yours.
So are everyone elses'.

It's not rghit or wrong or grasping.
It's just the way we people work.

Otherwise, there wouldn't be the wide offer we have.
That offer exists to meet all kins of criteria, in order to target as much customers as possible.

Anyway, as I said in the beginning of this post, I was commenting in raw data, being aware of what that means and that it's mandatory information that every company must suplly to customers, which is always starting point that people deal with.

Assesments come later.
 
These situations are the result of users modifying settings before they've learned what they're doing. It's like a Windows user using flash on a Mac then complaining it runs hot. All Macs have that "problem"

While customizations of course will cause lag, these situations aren't all caused by customization. Android lags. That's almost a universal truth. I never understood why people deny that android lags. My iPhone is way more smooth than any android phone and it still lags occasionally too.

Lag exists in every android phone I've ever seen and people who say they've never had a problem with it are lying.
 
You do realize that at Apple, $199 also gets you just 16GB.

Yes, but iPhone is a proven device. What reason is Motorola giving to an iPhone owner who is already invested with Apple Apps and content to switch to the Moto X?

The Moto X is supposed to be a smartphone for the masses, but the masses already have a $199 on contract smartphone with the iPhone. The masses will have even less reason to switch if the iPhone 5C starts at $0 on contract.
 
First android phone I've actually been interested in.

That said, any time I seriously consider switching I think about the overall user experience, iOS and hardware integration, and the Apple ecosystem and Apple wins big time. I have an android tablet, and the apps just generally suck. Feels like windows 95. As for the customizability of android and all the goofy Galaxy "features", they mostly feel like clutter - and the users I know usually only use a couple. Of course a lot of Android apps aren't as polished, they have to design for lots of different hardware from various manufacturers and a fragmented OS user base. And to those that are fascinated with what has the best hardware specs, I think you're delusional about what matters most - user experience.

Lastly, Apple had the courage to be first, and that counts for a lot in my book.
 
I like this phone.. and everything is great until the name Google appears.

Too bad.
 
I'll stick with my Samsung Galaxy s4 tyvm. I was missing my iphone lately, so I went over to my Dad and played with his iphone 5 and it wasn't just the same ): I couldn't go back to my iphone. The temptation of my beautiful S4 was just too tempting. We'll see how the 5s will compare to the SGS4/ HTC One when it releases.
 
Not sure if anyone brought it up, but that looks almost identical to a Nexus 4.

It looks a lot like it but not identical. There is a big difference in those words.
I own them both and I prefer the Nexus 4 look and feel in the hand compared to Galaxy Nexus.

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There are however always some things that works better for everyone and I like what Motorola is doing but it costs way to much. It should be 149$ tops on contract and 400$ without really. But it is good Motorola is back on the field.

I was one of those that bought a new phone every 6-10 month because of the spec and better this and that. Mainly because Android have this huge micro-lag problem I hope it would fix.
I took however up until 4.1 to minimize it and 4.3 to make it so tiny that it doesn't bother me anymore.
Now I'm keeping the Nexus 4 and plan for 2 years which is about 12 more months.
 
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While customizations of course will cause lag, these situations aren't all caused by customization. Android lags. That's almost a universal truth. I never understood why people deny that android lags. My iPhone is way more smooth than any android phone and it still lags occasionally too.

Lag exists in every android phone I've ever seen and people who say they've never had a problem with it are lying.

Throwing around the accusation of lying is not in your best interest.

Side by side with my iPhone 5, my Galaxy S4 in it's stock configuration right out of the box was every bit as smooth and lag free.

Don't believe it? That's fine I don't care what you believe.

I don't advocate for any brand or model. I buy a good majority of them because I can, and I enjoy it.

Having several active lines just for the purpose of buying and enjoying different smartphones is fun, therefore I _KNOW_ what the various models are like from first hand experience.

It's as simple as that. I have real life experiences with these phones or I don't comment.
 
Throwing around the accusation of lying is not in your best interest.

Side by side with my iPhone 5, my Galaxy S4 in it's stock configuration right out of the box was every bit as smooth and lag free.

Don't believe it? That's fine I don't care what you believe.

I don't advocate for any brand or model. I buy a good majority of them because I can, and I enjoy it.

Having several active lines just for the purpose of buying and enjoying different smartphones is fun, therefore I _KNOW_ what the various models are like from first hand experience.

It's as simple as that. I have real life experiences with these phones or I don't comment.

Well, now that's not what you initially said, is it? Your original statement was:

You most certainly cannot be referring to a Galaxy S4, Note II, or HTC One, those three are very smooth and trouble free

and then when presented with evidence that no they are not very smooth and trouble free you said:

These situations are the result of users modifying settings before they've learned what they're doing. It's like a Windows user using flash on a Mac then complaining it runs hot. All Macs have that "problem"

Your first statement was a complete blanket statement and nowhere did you mention that you were speaking only of your experience.

Your second statement was made without any proof whatsoever and is wholly irrelevant.

No, I cannot dispute that your phones are smooth and trouble free. I can dispute that the Note 2, HTC One, and GS4 are smooth and trouble free (and that is precisely what I was disputing to begin with).

Throwing around the accusation of lying is not in your best interest.

Nor is making blanket statements about devices based solely on your own experience. iPhones lag. Android phones lag more and still do no matter how many specs they stuff into it. Again, not sure why people pretend that thats not the case.
 
pretty nice mid range phone..i have androids and iOS.. love both.. i dont know about that flipping the phone twice to open the camera.. might accidentally slip off your hand.. double tap on home button might be apple move to open camera when phone is on lockscreen..:D or maybe it is:confused:
 
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